jordan i would say

> Kobe a better pure scorer

He's not a pure scorer - he just never passes

Its easy to tell that you know shit about basketball history, just running your pipe like you have knowledge. Scotty Pippen and Horace Grant didnt play for the bulls when Jordan took the Bulls from shit to the playoffs. As a matter of fact Pippen and Grant sucked dog shit for the first THREE years they played with Jordan. Kobe isnt close to Jordan in MANY areas of his game. THere is a huge difference between Pippen and SHaq by the way.

Deffo.........Jordan, period.

LMAO.. The best ever is by far Chamberlin. Not even up for debate

Kobe is one up in the rape category though.. Jordan Anyday, Anytime and Anywhere over Kobe..

In my opinion it's impossible to compare people from different eras. The game was completely different when Jordan played. It was much, much more physical back then. They didn't have any where near the touch fouls they have in today's game. IMO its easier to manipulate the rules in today's game. Which results in guards being able to dominate easier. In today's game Kobe is impossible to cover because he can play inside out and if you touch him it's a foul. You also don't have the centers and forwards of Jordan's era in today's game.

What made Jordan great was his ability to control the tempo and perform in the clutch. IMO Kobe has the physical attributes to be the greatest of all time but he still has a lot of work to do.

Kobe won early because he had Shaq. Shaq is an amazing athlete, to be that big and agile with soft hands! Unreal, seriously! Kobe would still be searching for his first title if it wasn't for Shaq.

Imo Jordan is still the greatest of all time. Kobe has the chance to take the thrown, but he needs to dominate the next five years. It's to early in Kobe's career to declare him the greatest of all time.

Jordan hes the best NBA player for me :):):)

to make a shot at the end of the game probably take Reggie Miller or Larry Bird over those two.
But definitely Jordan over Kobe

That's like saying do you want AK or D-MO.......It's a no contest: Jordan and D-Mo

remember kobe tai?
http://www.violetsflowerbox.com/imag...Tai/Kobe19.jpg

True...
but.. don't forget who owns whom

see what it said below your name.

:pimp

Shit i thought your talking about Kobe Tai and Jordan..

All I can say is,

81 points


Jordan, or in that case, nobody will even come close to that ever!

That's cool bro lets take it to the court and see who owns who bro 5$ a point play to 11:smokin you may score once but then again maybe NOT!!!

Yo Garyyyyyyyyyyy..
u can't be serious bro?

no disrespect to kobe's 81 , but if we compare to Jordan's 63 which he got on his first playoff series against Birds & the Celtics, the 63 seems to be harder to get.

and the thread is about who you want to have the last shot.

reminder: Jordan's last shot over Utah's Russel that got the Bulls their 6th title in 8 years

:2 cents:

PS: you a daddy yet?

one game point totals mean jack. Wilt had 100 against a team of 5 foot tall guys and he just stood there and dropped the ball in over them. Which is why Wilt is NOT as a great as Jordan was. Jordan was a mid sized gaurd who dominated every player including a young Shaq. Remember the Jordan Rules? Defensive players were aloud to throw him to the ground on regular occasions while driving and all he got was two free throws. Let that happen to Kobe and watch him cry like a pussy. Kobe likes to imitate jordans every move, except for the important ones, like defensive domination and being one of the top passers in the league at the time.

Yup I am a daddy,

and you want to talk about that shot. Go watch video of it. It is clear that he pushed Byron off.. Very Clear...

Kobe has had many game winning shots... Remember he still has 5-8 years left, and then we can talk and compare... This is premature.

If I had to give anybody the ball at the end of the game it would be Robert Horry!

that guy has made a career of making the big shot for sure.

Go to 4:20 of this video, and watch clearly the push off.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=xPCm8OuuNYY



and then go watch and be amazed at these highlights, with another 5-8 years left.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vSL0-SQrzPo&feature=related

Thats not shit compared to Jordan's 60+ IN FUCKIN BOSTON when celtics were THE team and the garden was the absolute toughest place to play in the country.

Can't forget the garden and all those times he lit up the knicks also when they were a badass team.

Shaq carried Kobe to the title... Kobe can't do shit without a big man to shoulder the weight of the team. Gasol and the young guy steppin up this year are a pair of all star front court players and yet Kobe won't do shit until they are BOTH healthy.

Lets not forget that not only did Jordan not have a proper supporting cast BUT he also had to go up against SHOWTIME! and those badass celtics and pistons teams just to make it through the east. The pistons were the roadblock for Jordan for what like 4 years before the title run?

Shaq was the man for those lakers championships, Kobe was a sidekick. Shaq left the lakers just to win another title... even being old and warn down he's putting the SUNS into the title picture and we all know the suns will only go as far as the diesel can pull them even though the suns have a pair of All-NBA type players. Shaq is fat and lazy and can't hit a free throw to save his life but he's still dominant when he wants to be.

Taking the last shot between Kobe and Jordan is a no brainer. I think there's probably a few players I'd rather have taking that final shot other than Jordan though ;) Hell Robert Horry has made more BIG TIME shots than probably jordan and kobe combined. Miller made a 3, steal and another 3 for the greatest last what like 5 seconds of all time?

The refs were not going to call a foul on anyone at that stage. Malone or Stockton could have done the same thing.

Besides, just how much he pushed off Byron we will never know. Since Byron never threw a fit about it, I think we can assume that it was his momemntum from running that carried him forward moreso than Jordan's push.

Just watch all the angles:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-WULyz1-OQc

You can't tell me that Jordan's one arm pushed him 8 to 10 feet like that. Byron simply didn't have the ability to stop on a dime, and then he slipped.

i think they call him Big Shot Bob....

we have Big Balls Bob too!

My :2 cents: before I say who I would favour.

The careers of Kobe and MJ are very similar however how and when their championships were won are very different. Almost opposites.

Kobe: enters league, has shaq and wins titles then struggles with lack of supporting cast for a few years.

MJ: enters league, struggles for years without supporting cast then wins titles.

In my opinion Kobe is now at the level Jordan was at when MJ won his championships. Kobe now recognizes he can't do it himself, embraces the team he has, distributes the ball, gets a couple players that can play, picks his spots to take over a game and hence....imo..... will win his first MVP.

I find it very interesting that the common denominator in this evaluation of both MJ and Kobe finally understanding their role and as a result, the team succeeding, is Phil Jackson.

I for the longest time felt Phil was simply a benefactor of stacked teams. Taking a step back now, I would suggest he is the main reason why perhaps the two greatest NBA players of all time ( certainly athletically if not overall ) were able to take the next step in their amazing careers.


Now..... as far as who I would want to take last shot?

I would still have to go with MJ and I am not even sure that anyone will ever be able to compare in this regard. He lived for those moments. Kobe can finish a game without question and he is very clutch, but MJ just had that something.....

Both are amazing however because opponents and fans alike know they are goign to have the ball in the last seconds and that no matter what, chances are the outcome is a forgone conclusion.

Good post by the way!

Good, but Kobe's videos are not filled with HOLY SHIT moments like the Jordan highlight reels are.

Oh Sorry,

Then go ahead and click on this url and you could see all the results for Kobe's last second shots.


https://youtube.com/results?search_qu...s&search_type=

Kobe has 0 defense.
Kobe has never been enough of a leader to gel his team.
Kobe needed Shaq to get any hardware.
Defense in the NBA is a joke since many gay rule changes.
Jordan had to deal with POWERHOUSE teams with real defenses.
Jordan had much better court smarts and knowledge of the game.

and the bottem line is Jordan invented EVERY part of KOBES game.

Oh yeah...KOBE is not even the best player in the League now.

I would take Tim Duncan, Lebron, or Dirk any day over KOBE.

Jordan for sure! :thumbsup

During the regular season I think I'd rather have Dirk but come playoff time no thanks! Kinda like the shooter that was on the Kings and is now on the hornets... one of the best shooters in the league during the regular season but just doesn't step up in the playoffs. I couldn't ever imagine a duncan led team getting knocked out in the first round but a #8 seed no less.

hehehe, u can't be taking Dirk over Kobe!
TD and Lebron - some can argue on that, but not Dirk!

What he said

Dude.... so on point. :thumbsup

You got to be the biggest Kobe Hater in the world.

Stats prove otherwise.. He has great defense,
He did not need shaq to win. Look at what he's doing now.

Kobe had a higher point average then Jordan ever did.

Kobe is and will be known as the best NBA BasketBall Player when he is done. Period!

Kobe will be the MVP this year. Period!

Dirk? Duncan? You serious?

You must not know much about basketball, your just trying to put down the best player in the league.

Any professional writer will tell you Kobe is the best player in the game hands down the past 4 years.

No defence? lol he's first team D every year.

And dont forget who Jordan had playing with him... lets see, some guy that didn't ever need the ball in his hands but was an amazing defender and just so happened to average 18 rebounds a game "Rodman". Pippen who was the most underrated small forward to ever play the game. He could do everything. Guards, BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper, Kerr, Paxson. They also had some pretty decent forwards with Kukoc, Horace Grant. And a whole crop of decent big men Cartwright, Perdue, Parish, Wennington, willians...

My point is that Jordan had one hell of a lineup around him that Kobe hasn't had until now. And now they are all hurt. They will make a run this year but expect the Lake show be dominating the league the next 4-5 years with all the young talent they have.

Jordan was one hell of a player and I wont deny that. But the Kobe legacy is just begining and they numbers and he has already put up are amazing and he has already broken a number of Jordan records.

As much as we could go back and forth about these two the only way you can ever compare them is after Kobe retires which is a long ways away. By then I expect him to break almost all of Jordans records.

But everyone loves shoes.

Yes, the NBA is easier now than ever. There are no dominant centers or forwards anymore.

The Western conference is so overrated.....

Serously, I have never seen anyone bring a team back single handed like Kobe can. I have seen him run down and smack 8 straght 3's in a row in the 4th to bring his team back from 25 in the 4th all by himself. What he can do is simply amazing....

Also in your search you spelled Koby instead of Kobe

Kobe is also the only player in the NBA that I have ever seen who over the past 4 years goes to other teams arenas and works their team so bad that the other teams fans are chearing MVP for him....