All this talk about Kobe just pissed me off, and I bought two tickets right behind the Laker Bench for tonights game.


Im going to let him know that there are a lot of Kobe Haters on GFY so if you watch the game, pay attention, im going to have him give you one of these...

:321GFY

J o r d a n

You cant compare their stats, its not fair. The game is easier today, that's a fact. When Jordan played it was a power game. Today its a finesse game. You don't have the dominance inside and the physical play that we saw in Jordan's era in today's game. Now days running and jumping is all you need to get into the league. Very few players today are students of the game or even know how to play for that matter. The rules have been changed for this reason, you can no longer guard the paint and you can no longer check perimeter players. You see big men stepping in to take the charge more often than going for the block because of these rules. Now days instead of playing defense guys just flop and flail their arms because that's what the rules allow them to do. So of course a guy like Kobe will have a higher scoring percentage, the game has been tailored for guards. The NBA realized that higher scoring made the game more fun to watch, that's why you've seen the transition.

It's impossible to compare people from different era's and say one is better. In my opinion Kobe has the advantage to be better because the way the game is played today. With that said I don't think he's played well enough to be in the same conversation with Jordan. Yes they are very similar talents, same body, same kind of athleticism, similar game. But lets keep it real, when Jordan came into his own it was against some of the greatest of all time. Kobe has every advantage in today's game and he's still trying to figure it out. IMO he has to win this year and the next 3-5 to be in the conversation.

Whhhaaaattt????

Phoenix, Dallas, Golden State, Houston, Lakers, San Antonio (who i hate but they still count),

The east has Boston, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Orlando is doing good but who cares. The only teams that the east can really stand on are boston and Detroit.


Overrated......I think not.

That was sarcasm.

Lol
 

I would take kobe to shoot an airball anyday over anyone else
https://youtube.com/watch?v=m4zRSadt_A4

Obviously it was sarcasm. The most important factor being overlooked in this argument is the game itself. It is played completely different today than in was when Jordan played.

When the greats of Jordan's era all retired the NBA started to struggle. The public lost interest and the players coming into the league weren't as polished. So the NBA had to figure out a way to market the new crop of players and keep the tag of the best basketball league in the world. So they changed the rules and once that happened we started to see the running game take off. Then scoring increased and the NBA marketed its players as more athletic, quicker, better, blah blah blah.. You get the point.

This is why I don't think you can compare eras. The game is completely different, from the way its played, to the rules, to the players. Could the elite of this era have competed with Jordan and company, probably. But we'll never know what the greats of Jordan's era would have done in today's game.

Jordan tapped his ass. Hardly a push and that's the way the game used to be - rough.

The game has changed. It's a softer sport now than it used to be and you also have a generation of guys who grew up watching Jordan who try to be Jordanesque rather than focusing on the basics. So we get a lot of amazing dunks nowadays but FG% is way down. It's why guys like Steve Nash who stick to the fundamentals, make plays, ultimately garner MVP status.
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I hate to burst your bubble, but jordan avg 30pts. per game will kobe is at 24. Jordan leads kobe in EVERY statistical category, and by the way he has more rings :pimp

A lot of people here are taking too much away from Kobe because he's being compared to Jordan. Kobe is a phenom. He's the next best guard and comparable to Jordan in many ways. He's very colorful and a brilliant athlete. He's done things that are awe inspiring in the same way Jordan did. Part of the difference I see is that Jordan didn't come off trying to be a flashy. It just turned out that to put the ball in the basket he had to contort his body is interesting ways sometimes. He was the guy to make the clutch shots. Sometimes when I watch Kobe, and I feel like he's forcing it.

If we're looking at pure numbers and stats Kobe may surpass Jordan on SOME measures, but not most (like 81 points versus Jordan's 63 - still, neither broke Wilt's record, 3-point shot average), but you have to consider how the game has changed, the type of players Jordan faced (Magic, Larry), and the fact that Jordan wasn't deliberately trying to rack up points for himself all the time. He was just trying to win. Jordan is much more fluid than Kobe or any other player to ever play the game.

There are one-on-one moments between Jordan and Kobe in the 97-98 season and the all-star game that makes me wish they shared more court time against each other. https://youtube.com/watch?v=BC5sW1Xnj3g&feature=related

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PS Here's the MVP!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...chris.paul.jpg

The most points Michael Jordan has average is 35.0 points per game.

87-88 35.0

The most Kobe has averaged is, 35.4

2004-2005 season

So get your facts straight.

You want to talk about throwing an airball,

Do you think Kobe would ever do anything like this?


https://youtube.com/watch?v=5_r4AGX3Qmo


I don't think so... You guys might have an arguement now, but wait 5 years, and none of you will ever doubt that Kobe will be the best ever known to have played in the NBA.

Are you kidding me?

The scores in those game from the late 80's to early 90's used to be in the hundreds every time?

130-125 140-120

etc etc

Where was the defense back then?

if the lakers can win just 1 more championship, i'll go kobe over jordan.

If there were no Jordan there would be no Kobe and so on and so forth! They're both brilliant!

Jordan is kobe's dad??

Agreed. Totally different type of game.

How many times has Jordan done that? It was the all-star game, everybody was just having fun. He was also past his prime at about 40 years old.

I don't think anybody can dispute that Jordan has more hops than Kobe.

I don't disagree that Kobe is one the best ever.

Notice how all the people picking Kobe live in LA/Ca

That's the difference. Jordan had way more finesse.

Have any of u idiots noticed that kobe hasent passed the first round in 4 years . 4 FUCKIN YEARS

Today's NBA game is built on potential. Kobe does posses the natural ability that Jordan had but to make the comparison Kobe needs to win. Its just that simple. Being the greatest of all time isn't based on what the guy is capable of doing its based on what he does. And imo Kobe hasn't done anything.

which one?
 

easy answer for the OP. michael jordan.

the (false) notion of kobe bryant being a clutch player is mostly myth. for example, it has been proven that carmelo anthony is MUCH more clutch when it came down to game winning shots.

kobe bryant's career has been smoke and mirrors, propelled along by riding the coattails of the most influential (on the game itself) professional basketball player since michael jordan: shaquille o'neal.

C'mon now! Kobe hands down. need more proof?

http://forums.weboverdrive.com/image...f/kobewife.jpg
http://forums.weboverdrive.com/image.../kobewife2.jpg

or

http://forums.weboverdrive.com/images/stuff/mjwife.jpg

no contest.

This is the best statement thus far.

the only way you can ever compare them is after Kobe retires which is a long ways away

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i think it will be hard for Kobe to match what MJ achieved, doable for him but it would be hard.

we should put this thread on a short term time capsule say 10 years?

:2 cents:

kinda like all the people who hate him don't?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/5/777...76b731.jpg?v=0

MJ is so good that he hasnt played in ever and his Jersey & Shoes still sale WAY more than Kobe. Kobe hasnt done shit since Shaq left and he will prove me right in the playoffs this year.

Not even debatable. Jordan = God of basketball

Kobe = Jordan's bitch

who cares.... bump

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wow. page four.

You gotta love it

By the way one thing i forgot to mention is that we missed jordans best years . Those 3 years he went missing was during his prime and he could have easily had an 8 peat. No point arguing in that statment thx

is this even a serious question? jordan

Excellent point. It also shows that he was always more about the game and winning rather than breaking basketball records or padding his basketball stats.

What Is PER?

Player Efficiency Rating is a formula that uses a player?s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If he shoots the ball frequently, but does not convert on as many of his shots, his rating goes down. If he turns the ball over frequently, his rating goes down. If he is efficient and contributes an all-around performance, his rating goes up. Due to factors such as lower shooting percentages, it is almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career PER (such as above 25).

Percentage of 50+ point games against teams with winning records

Michael Jordan: 71%
Kobe Bryant: 27%



Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bryant: 32-40 (.444)



Percentage of points scored on free throws

Michael Jordan: 23%
Kobe Bryant: 26%



Percentage of points scored on two point field goals

Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%



Three point field goal attempts per game

Michael Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.63



Career PER

Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.57


Highest PER season

Michael Jordan: 31.71
Kobe Bryant: 27.97


Seasons with 30+ PER

Michael Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0



Seasons with 28+ PER

Michael Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 0



Seasons with 25+ PER

Michael Jordan: 12
Kobe Bryant: 3


Shooting in 50 point games

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986 in the regular season, Michael Jordan has the #1, #5 and #8 games in terms of shooting percentage. He has three more in the top 25. Kobe's most efficient game is #12.



Kobe Bryant has the three worst shooting 50 point games not only since 1986, but the three worst 50 point games (in terms of efficiency) in NBA history. These are among the few games in history in which a player scored 50 points, but didn't even make half of his shots from the field. In other words, these are achievements of volume shooting, not efficiency. But these aren't flukes, either. In terms of shooting, Kobe also has 7 of the 15 worst, and 10 of the 25 worst 50 point games since 1986. That's half of all of his 50 point efforts. Jordan has merely one game in the bottom 25.

Jordan's #1, #5 and #8 games

24-29, 52 points, Nov. 16, 1988

21-27, 59 points, April 3, 1988

21-28, 53 points, March 7, 1996

Kobe's 3 worst 50 pt. games in history

17-38, 53 points, December 15, 2006

19-44, 53 points, March 30, 2007

17-41, 50 points, January 7, 2006

Yep, I believe I'll definitely be going with Jordan on this no brainer. Oh, and Kobe was NOTHING without Shaq.

I'd also add that Lebron has more potential to be better than MJ. I still think Kobe has a few years of prime left, but that's it. He came in out of high school and his legs are just not going to hold up. That's not to say he won't be a great player still, but I think in a year or two will start the downward trend of his career.

As for Lebron, I think if he figures out how to either get a fadeaway or spot up jumper into his arsenal, he becomes the greatest offensive player ever. He has more raw talent, but is just not a better basketball player. He never spent his time in the offseason to improve his game and add an extra move. If you remember, Jordan completely changed his game following his first retirement.

mass hysteria
 

kobe bryant fans generally suffer from mass hysteria and are usually incapable of defending themselves from the power of suggestion.

anyone who regards themselves as a lakers fan AND an objective person should visit lakersfiction[dot]blogspot[dot]com.

i had to write it like that because i'm a f-ing newbie, and f-ing newbies aren't allowed to post links.

A well informed post bojangles. The stats confirm what is obvious to most of us who don't live in Cali. People don't treat Jordan's record and ability as sacrosanct out of nostalgia or idealism.