Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 14055026)

What Is PER?

Player Efficiency Rating is a formula that uses a player?s stats to determine how productive and efficient he is in his time on the court. If he shoots the ball frequently, but does not convert on as many of his shots, his rating goes down. If he turns the ball over frequently, his rating goes down. If he is efficient and contributes an all-around performance, his rating goes up. Due to factors such as lower shooting percentages, it is almost impossible for a guard to have a very high career PER (such as above 25).

Percentage of 50+ point games against teams with winning records

Michael Jordan: 71%
Kobe Bryant: 27%



Record in games with 30+ shot attempts

Michael Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bryant: 32-40 (.444)



Percentage of points scored on free throws

Michael Jordan: 23%
Kobe Bryant: 26%



Percentage of points scored on two point field goals

Michael Jordan: 72%
Kobe Bryant: 59%



Three point field goal attempts per game

Michael Jordan: 1.66
Kobe Bryant: 3.63



Career PER

Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.57


Highest PER season

Michael Jordan: 31.71
Kobe Bryant: 27.97


Seasons with 30+ PER

Michael Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0



Seasons with 28+ PER

Michael Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 0



Seasons with 25+ PER

Michael Jordan: 12
Kobe Bryant: 3


Shooting in 50 point games

Of the 143 50 point games since 1986 in the regular season, Michael Jordan has the #1, #5 and #8 games in terms of shooting percentage. He has three more in the top 25. Kobe's most efficient game is #12.



Kobe Bryant has the three worst shooting 50 point games not only since 1986, but the three worst 50 point games (in terms of efficiency) in NBA history. These are among the few games in history in which a player scored 50 points, but didn't even make half of his shots from the field. In other words, these are achievements of volume shooting, not efficiency. But these aren't flukes, either. In terms of shooting, Kobe also has 7 of the 15 worst, and 10 of the 25 worst 50 point games since 1986. That's half of all of his 50 point efforts. Jordan has merely one game in the bottom 25.

Jordan's #1, #5 and #8 games

24-29, 52 points, Nov. 16, 1988

21-27, 59 points, April 3, 1988

21-28, 53 points, March 7, 1996

Kobe's 3 worst 50 pt. games in history

17-38, 53 points, December 15, 2006

19-44, 53 points, March 30, 2007

17-41, 50 points, January 7, 2006

Yep, I believe I'll definitely be going with Jordan on this no brainer. Oh, and Kobe was NOTHING without Shaq.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14047077)

Who do you want with the ball at the end of a game?

Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 14055142)

A well informed post bojangles. The stats confirm what is obvious to most of us who don't live in Cali. People don't treat Jordan's record and ability as sacrosanct out of nostalgia or idealism.

Originally Posted by HotMeghan (Post 14055589)

jordan, definitely.
but lebron over jordan.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14054037)

kinda like all the people who hate him don't?

Originally Posted by g$$$ (Post 14056253)

Originally Posted by smax (Post 14056361)

and???

That just proves what homers you all are over the hometown kid, while MJ on the other hand transcends all boundaries.
I really do not think anyone here that knows anything about basketball questions Kobes talent, but to compare him to Jordan is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14056377)

if you go waaaaaaaaaay back to the beginning of the thread you'll see that the question was who would you want to take the final shot in a big game.

Not who was better, best ever, or whatever else it's been turned it into. Jordan has made huge shots. Kobe has made huge shots. We have Jordan's entire career to examine, Kobe isn't done yet and I believe his best is yet to come. Best ever is a discussion you can't really have yet, it's not fair to Kobe.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14056369)

can Jordan do THAT?

Originally Posted by SMASHXXX (Post 14047764)

jordan. kobe can't clean his shoes.

Originally Posted by Skillz Unlimited (Post 14056810)

Speaking of Kobe....

Do you guys think this is real?

I'll tell you what i think after you see it....

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14056369)

can Jordan do THAT?

Originally Posted by HotMeghan (Post 14055589)

jordan, definitely.
but lebron over jordan.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14056887)

Looks like Dirk was clutch last night when he secured a playoff spot with a last minute shot. Guess someone was wrong about my statement.

Originally Posted by CosmicTang (Post 14057418)

which statement was that?

Originally Posted by farkedup (Post 14052275)

During the regular season I think I'd rather have Dirk but come playoff time no thanks! Kinda like the shooter that was on the Kings and is now on the hornets... one of the best shooters in the league during the regular season but just doesn't step up in the playoffs. I couldn't ever imagine a duncan led team getting knocked out in the first round but a #8 seed no less.

Originally Posted by AK (Post 14052323)

hehehe, u can't be taking Dirk over Kobe!
TD and Lebron - some can argue on that, but not Dirk!

Originally Posted by sexyclicks (Post 14057433)

even kobe would pick jordan

Originally Posted by Iscari0t (Post 14057884)

Hell. I might actually prefer Joe Dumars with the ball at the end of the game over Kobe, because he'd have the humility to pass that shit if he were covered.

Originally Posted by CyberAgeGary (Post 14056880)

Damn, Even Jordan did that car stunt for You Tube.. Maybe it's a new thing... Check it out!

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU

Originally Posted by Rique (Post 14057918)

Kobe! :thumbsup

Originally Posted by smax (Post 14058064)

Jordan and Olajuwon

Originally Posted by Skillz Unlimited (Post 14057988)

Ok so since they both needed a supporting cast to survive, what about a game of 2 on 2?!?!?! If you had to pick Jordan or Kobe and one big man....who would you choose.