Look OP, All I know is from what I've lived and seen. My group of friends in college (about 20 of us) all smoked obscene amounts of pot. At some point some members of the group put their big boy pants on, grew up and quit smoking. The other half kept at it and are still burning to this day. Today, if you put the group of us in a room and separated us, of the quit smoking half, 2\3 of them want on to graduate school, the over whelming majority of the non smoking half wear ties to work and have their own office (versus a cubicle) and that group easily makes double what the other group does. The non-smoking group are far better fathers to their kids and just have better lives. Two people in the smoking group despite having bachelor's degrees go to a job where their name is embroidered on their shirts. And despite approaching their 30's, two people in the smoking group are still idiot drunks that no one will go out with because they still drink and behave like they are 19 years old.

All I know is what I see. You can argue whatever you want and post all kinds of stats, but the bottom line is, all the people that I used to smoke with, who still smoke are fucking losers compared to us who don't. They are shitty fathers to their kids, they have shitty jobs, and most are struggling to pay their mortgages now because despite having more 'natural talent' and intelligent that a lot of my buddies in the non smoking group, just never got their shit together. I don't know if it's not related to smoking pot, but its the only factor I can think of between the two. Sure smoking pot, playing video games, and ordering a pizza was fun when I was in college. It just seems now that my priorities have changed. I wish I could say the same for my friends who are still smoking and waiting for 'the next big hustle'.

Nope he wasn't. He managed to stay off it for 3-4 months too and the improvement was quite startling, but then when he got back on the pot he quickly reverted back.

Before the pot, and even during his break .. he was quite normal, happy, outgoing and loved getting out to do things, but on the pot he only lives for one thing .. getting high. Thats all that matters in life.

We had to lay off one of our programmers because he became a total nut, total outbursts of anger were exchanged with the "zombie" state when you immediately seen he is high and you could find him appearing at different darker places of the house without any exact reason.

He also had a blog with the most extreme pseudo metaphysical shit I ever read..

It wasn't even funny..

it will be legalized sometime in the next 10 years in at least a few states. Nevada has voted on it twice and it only lost by a few points last time.

If you all just move to California with me, and get your medical license, then you won't ever have to worry about legal, illegal, who's high, who's not.

Unless you're a total baller and rolling deep with 5 packs and shit.
But then you are probably worried about entirely different things than "the man".

And agreed....pot doesn't make laziness.....we do. Be accountable for your actions, or lack thereof, that's what I say. (but not in an angry or venomous way) :upsidedow

Long term use of marijuana can be VERY bad for your health.

PS: I'm talking 20, 30 years and more.

I shall not roll about laughing really.
You are aware that the vast majority of medical users in CA are still not even in compliance with state law alone? Forget about the federal issue.

If you or anyone else doubts it, just tell me your in compliance and are ready to answer one simple question.


To original poster, want the 1 big logical reason why it is illegal. Remaining illegal benefits the government more than it being legal ever will in every aspect, with its illegal status it makes more money for the down line than taxation ever could.

The people that have a pickle up their ass about pot are the ones who have tried it and thought they were dying and never touched it again lol.. Or bought into the Reefer Madness propaganda.

Pot is pretty harmless if used recreationally, but just like anything else in life, too much of it isn't good for you. It's all about moderation people ;)

I would assume a true alcoholic is much worse than a chronic weed smoker. There are not many things that are good for you if you are overdoing it. Just because some people abuse it doesnt mean it should be illegal. If that were the case then alcohol/cigarettes should definitely be outlawed.

anything used in access is abuse and will adversely affect productivity. Too much, pot too much booze, same result. However if you go into an emergency room and count the number of drunks there it will be higher than pot smokers. Marijuana usually sedates people, alcohol causes many to become violent. Neither is healthy but neither is sky diving, wing walking or excessive skiing.

Well let's see:

- both are brain dead
- both have abstinency syndromas
- both are disqualified from the rest of the society and only look for a circle of fellow abusers...

I don't see much difference - just so alcohol if done properly for 8 - 10 years at least kills you so you are not gonna be annoying people around you forever..

:thumbsup

Because alcohol makes more money and it's not too easy to produce it :thumbsup (weed is one of the easiest plan to grow)

However is more easy to be chronic weed smoker rather than alcohol consumer

Wrong on both accounts.

There are no legitimate reasons for pot to be illegal. It is much less harmful then alcohol.

There is no real reason why its illegal. Its becuase the people and thier representatives voted that it should be. Until that changes it will remain illegal. But to most pot heads thats not an answer.

Because politions don't look cool with a joint in their mouth

that's the real reason :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

And alcohol is such a huge net gain? :D C'mon that's a ridiculous argument.

And thanks for calling me a loser who doesn't get shit done or care about getting shit done... Fuck you too? Are we all just going to hate each other? This is your ideal world, the one where you regret you were lazy in the past, and the hate on people who smoke a little sweet sensi?

Shame on you. Just because you sat on your ass doesn't mean I do. I smoke all day, and I think I've accomplished a lot of things. Don't blame the weed, blame yourself. You can smoke a joint and get things done, or you can smoke a joint and sit on your ass.

CLUE: It's the sitting on your ass part that makes you lazy.

I got to admit, i have met hard working and functional smokers and alcoholics. But not many hardworking pot heads. I dont have the stats but if you put pot heads, smokers and drinkers side by side, and measure cosumption to the point of being satisfied with their level of consumption. I am willing to bet you will see that pot heads are hell of a lot less productive in society.
I still think it should be legalized, BTW.
IMO

lol... wow... talk about clueless...

because most of nixon's protesters liked it

It was already illegal then, that was just used to enforce it more and launch the war on drugs.

yea, what he said :upsidedow

And yet here you are writing porn posts for money.

Illegal drugs are a multi billion dollar industry. You can make all the arguments you want about weed but at the end of the day it wont matter. The fight on drugs has created millions of jobs. From law enforcement to privately owned jails, so on and so forth. There's a pretty good documentary on Showtime right now about this very subject, I think its called drugs or something like that. Anyways it gets into all the different aspects and after watching you'll see that pot will never be legalized, the government stands to lose way to much money.

Having pot illegal makes for a multi billion dollar industry that the govt grossly profits from.

because it hurts the cotton industry

how is skydiving not healthy?

1. Because corporations build and run prisons.
2. Because you can use the US Constitution as toilet paper these days for all the respect it's getting from the federal government.

I think you got quite a lot of logical reasons in this thread..

:2 cents:

What's wrong with that? Is porn degrading to you?

Yeah but it's not about something beeing harmless, it's always about pragmatism - and that's what most of our marijuana evangelists don't get, if harmful things would be illegal, you would have to ban the gas engines and fast foods..

Government; Control of Mind

No but writing blog posts for a few bucks doesn't exactly strike me as successful.

bottom line, if logic had a hand in this, pot and alcohol would either both be banned, or both be legal, not one or the other....

if anything, pot is less dangerous than alcohol...

Agreed with kmanrox. Pot is much less dangerous than alcohol.

It is definitely less dangerous, unfortunately, only to your body, not to your mind,

Here is a little experiment that comes to my mind if we are comparing these popular drugs, if Pavlov used dogs I would use a young marijuana evangelist, a young alcoholic and a young tobacco lover, they all are the same age and same physical and psychical condition:

Now let's let one of them:

1) smoke cigarettes every day (two packs a day)

And the other two get high from (meaning no moderation, serious abuse)

2) drinking booze daily for a year

3) smoking pot daily for a year

What you are most likely about to get is that:

1) tobacco smoker will damage his health, smoking will affect his overall physical endurance and make him more liable to different health problems, yet he will be totally capable of fulfilling everything in his social role

2) the alcohol abuser will probably damage his health, develops serious addiction, he will still be more or less capable of a social contact

3) the pot smoker will turn into a very healthy individual with serious addiction on THC, and mental skills of an adult baboon

So it's very tough to put these drugs in comparsion and there are many factors in game, the overall widespread, accessibility, the addictiveness, the tolerance of society / culture etc.

Because the U.S. Federal Government continues the trend of exerting more power than it's constitutionally entitled to.

That's 1 reason it's illegal.

Pot is illegal because mafia needs money and DEA needs reason to exist.

Carlos you are one seriously misinformed individual who either has believed a great deal of propaganda or just associate and know true losers that no matter what vice they would of chose they would of ended up addicted and lame.

Going to plug a movie coming out April 20th

Super High Me .. looks jokes. Super Size Me for pot...

http://www.superhighmemovie.com/

You know I thought about this?

I should actually hate drugs because the amount of anoying dumbasses I often meet in every bar I visit is incredible..no matter if they are high from this or that.. it all comes down to someone beeing an ignorant idiot, which apparently is the worst addiction we deal with nowadays..

And believe me - I don't believe massmedia, plus where I currently live there is no propaganda at all.

As far as it's illegal but decriminalized and tolerated (personal use) most of the teenagers are stoned and are far far away from the standards of behaviour I was raised in and I would ever be able to tolerate, I guess I am sudenlly feeling to be a LOT old fashioned.

Don't hate on what mother nature has given us.. It's a wonderful thing. Open your mind...:thumbsup
http://www.marijuanaseedbanks.com/im..._marijuana.jpg

Teenagers should not be using drugs or alcohol regardless. Well ok I am being a hypocrite on this one and to me that is fucked up, I was raised with Spanish grandparents and such so wine was common through my youth and my doctor had me on marijuana before I had reached driving age.

Still teens should not be using such substances.

It's not because it gets you high! It's because it would topple both the petroleum and pulp & paper businesses.

Well we all have our experience, what I am getting at is that no matter how healthy it is, it mentally damaged and continues to damage many individuals, no matter if legal or illegal, and again - I can only talk from my own experience, so talking about "non addictive" and "no side effects" just doesn't make any sense if I compare it with what I have seen.

If we would light up a spliff instead of getting a beer everytime we needed to plug off and hang out I am afraid we could soon as well end up like one of my childhood friends who is not leaving his room anymore for years to grow "ganja" and explore his inner secrets while there is nothing he can contribute to the outside world from his precious dimension

I guess this is the danger, regular use is way too problematic.

because religious and uptight people fear freethinking and pleasure.

& the workforce has to keep sedated with mind contracting drugs.

There is a big difference between USE and ABUSE.

The same with any drug. If your drunk all day long your gonna pass out and be a shitty parent/worker/etc. And if your high all day long itll be the same thing.

Moderation solves everything... just dont be a fucking idiot and get your shit done when you need to.

The reason it is illegal is because:
We are adults and live in a free country where the government serves the people and doesn't stick it's nose in where it doesn't belong. Right?
Wait a minute...I just gave the reason that anything and everything should be legal.
A few years ago I was listening to an interview with Al Lewis (the actor that played Grandpa Munster). He was in his 80's (he died in 2006) and he was arguing for legalization. His opponent in the debate used the argument that legalizing it would cause all sorts of problems for society.
Al Lewis called bullshit on that by pointing out that ALL drugs were legal when he was a kid. He recalled going to the drug store and buying HEROIN over the counter for his grandmother when he was 8 years old. And folks...those were what the conservative religious wackos have trained us all to believe were the "good old days"
By contrast...in our "free" country today...I sent my teenage daughter into the drug store to get some Nyquil and they refused to sell it to her because she was not 18! WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!
Their rationale was that some people drink the Nyquil to get drunk.
My response was: WHAT THE FUCK BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS OR ANYBODY ELSE WHAT ANOTHER PERSON DECIDES TO DO IN THEIR LIVES.
They had no answer. The people running Walgreens are of this generation and don't remember what it was like to EVER live free. They grew up being forced to take piss tests, having the police search them and their vehicles, and being under the thumb of govt. visa a thousand little laws that regulate their lives.
Hell, you can't even smoke a cigarette in a bar!
And for the record, I don't smoke pot or cigarettes...or even take heroin.
But I don't understand why the govt. sees fit to make personal decisions for people.
Yeah, I know "because it will cost us all in terms of paying for their medical bills"
Well...how about this then...The govt. is the ones who started all of this "paying" for other people's medical bills. Sounded good at the time. But guess what? All it really did was give the govt. all of this power over our lives.
Free country? Bullshit.