Surprised at some of the responses in this thread.

Know of 2 heavy long time users of pot, 1 being my brother. He has to have a smoke around 10-20 times a day just to remain sociable otherwise he gets violent, bad tempered, has massive mood changes etc. The other guy I know is pretty much the same. Its pretty easy to see why its illegal when you dont do it and see its effect on other heavy uses over a period of time. Literally a no brainer :)

Why can't it be taxed? If it was legal I would imagine tobacco companies would jump on it, and sell it like they sell cigarettes now... no one would go through the trouble of growing it themselves when they can just buy a pack for $5...

Heavy use ain't no fun man.. I got the same experience..

Very true that I went through a stage of smoking heavily..a long time ago now..and when I couldent get any weed I used to loose my temper over the most stupidest things. It got to the stage where I was frightening the shit out of my misses and my three brothers noticed how quickly I would get irritable over the most mundane things. I am normally a very tolerant guy. Havent smoked weed now for around 10 years..lol

To each his/her own. Its not really worth an argument one way or another (in my opinion).

i say the legalization of marijuana is fucking stupid. why the hell does it need to be legalized? decriminalized sure, but why would you want it to be legalized and turned into another taxed shit product?

Because we are ignoring the real problems in our society.
You dont even know if I smoke. I just hate hypocrits

By that logic tabacco and alcohol should be illegal too and then the government can really save us from ourselves.

And your brother wasn't like this before the pot? Sounds like he has some mental health issues and is self medicating. Much the same as many alcoholics.

You have been given reasons...so you are wrong...now aren't you?

Look OP, All I know is from what I've lived and seen. My group of friends in college (about 20 of us) all smoked obscene amounts of pot. At some point some members of the group put their big boy pants on, grew up and quit smoking. The other half kept at it and are still burning to this day. Today, if you put the group of us in a room and separated us, of the quit smoking half, 2\3 of them want on to graduate school, the over whelming majority of the non smoking half wear ties to work and have their own office (versus a cubicle) and that group easily makes double what the other group does. The non-smoking group are far better fathers to their kids and just have better lives. Two people in the smoking group despite having bachelor's degrees go to a job where their name is embroidered on their shirts. And despite approaching their 30's, two people in the smoking group are still idiot drunks that no one will go out with because they still drink and behave like they are 19 years old.

All I know is what I see. You can argue whatever you want and post all kinds of stats, but the bottom line is, all the people that I used to smoke with, who still smoke are fucking losers compared to us who don't. They are shitty fathers to their kids, they have shitty jobs, and most are struggling to pay their mortgages now because despite having more 'natural talent' and intelligent that a lot of my buddies in the non smoking group, just never got their shit together. I don't know if it's not related to smoking pot, but its the only factor I can think of between the two. Sure smoking pot, playing video games, and ordering a pizza was fun when I was in college. It just seems now that my priorities have changed. I wish I could say the same for my friends who are still smoking and waiting for 'the next big hustle'.

Nope he wasn't. He managed to stay off it for 3-4 months too and the improvement was quite startling, but then when he got back on the pot he quickly reverted back.

Before the pot, and even during his break .. he was quite normal, happy, outgoing and loved getting out to do things, but on the pot he only lives for one thing .. getting high. Thats all that matters in life.

We had to lay off one of our programmers because he became a total nut, total outbursts of anger were exchanged with the "zombie" state when you immediately seen he is high and you could find him appearing at different darker places of the house without any exact reason.

He also had a blog with the most extreme pseudo metaphysical shit I ever read..

It wasn't even funny..

it will be legalized sometime in the next 10 years in at least a few states. Nevada has voted on it twice and it only lost by a few points last time.

If you all just move to California with me, and get your medical license, then you won't ever have to worry about legal, illegal, who's high, who's not.

Unless you're a total baller and rolling deep with 5 packs and shit.
But then you are probably worried about entirely different things than "the man".

And agreed....pot doesn't make laziness.....we do. Be accountable for your actions, or lack thereof, that's what I say. (but not in an angry or venomous way) :upsidedow

Long term use of marijuana can be VERY bad for your health.

PS: I'm talking 20, 30 years and more.

I shall not roll about laughing really.
You are aware that the vast majority of medical users in CA are still not even in compliance with state law alone? Forget about the federal issue.

If you or anyone else doubts it, just tell me your in compliance and are ready to answer one simple question.


To original poster, want the 1 big logical reason why it is illegal. Remaining illegal benefits the government more than it being legal ever will in every aspect, with its illegal status it makes more money for the down line than taxation ever could.

The people that have a pickle up their ass about pot are the ones who have tried it and thought they were dying and never touched it again lol.. Or bought into the Reefer Madness propaganda.

Pot is pretty harmless if used recreationally, but just like anything else in life, too much of it isn't good for you. It's all about moderation people ;)

I would assume a true alcoholic is much worse than a chronic weed smoker. There are not many things that are good for you if you are overdoing it. Just because some people abuse it doesnt mean it should be illegal. If that were the case then alcohol/cigarettes should definitely be outlawed.

anything used in access is abuse and will adversely affect productivity. Too much, pot too much booze, same result. However if you go into an emergency room and count the number of drunks there it will be higher than pot smokers. Marijuana usually sedates people, alcohol causes many to become violent. Neither is healthy but neither is sky diving, wing walking or excessive skiing.

Well let's see:

- both are brain dead
- both have abstinency syndromas
- both are disqualified from the rest of the society and only look for a circle of fellow abusers...

I don't see much difference - just so alcohol if done properly for 8 - 10 years at least kills you so you are not gonna be annoying people around you forever..

:thumbsup

Because alcohol makes more money and it's not too easy to produce it :thumbsup (weed is one of the easiest plan to grow)

However is more easy to be chronic weed smoker rather than alcohol consumer

Wrong on both accounts.

There are no legitimate reasons for pot to be illegal. It is much less harmful then alcohol.

There is no real reason why its illegal. Its becuase the people and thier representatives voted that it should be. Until that changes it will remain illegal. But to most pot heads thats not an answer.

Because politions don't look cool with a joint in their mouth

that's the real reason :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

And alcohol is such a huge net gain? :D C'mon that's a ridiculous argument.

And thanks for calling me a loser who doesn't get shit done or care about getting shit done... Fuck you too? Are we all just going to hate each other? This is your ideal world, the one where you regret you were lazy in the past, and the hate on people who smoke a little sweet sensi?

Shame on you. Just because you sat on your ass doesn't mean I do. I smoke all day, and I think I've accomplished a lot of things. Don't blame the weed, blame yourself. You can smoke a joint and get things done, or you can smoke a joint and sit on your ass.

CLUE: It's the sitting on your ass part that makes you lazy.

I got to admit, i have met hard working and functional smokers and alcoholics. But not many hardworking pot heads. I dont have the stats but if you put pot heads, smokers and drinkers side by side, and measure cosumption to the point of being satisfied with their level of consumption. I am willing to bet you will see that pot heads are hell of a lot less productive in society.
I still think it should be legalized, BTW.
IMO

lol... wow... talk about clueless...

because most of nixon's protesters liked it

It was already illegal then, that was just used to enforce it more and launch the war on drugs.

yea, what he said :upsidedow

And yet here you are writing porn posts for money.

Illegal drugs are a multi billion dollar industry. You can make all the arguments you want about weed but at the end of the day it wont matter. The fight on drugs has created millions of jobs. From law enforcement to privately owned jails, so on and so forth. There's a pretty good documentary on Showtime right now about this very subject, I think its called drugs or something like that. Anyways it gets into all the different aspects and after watching you'll see that pot will never be legalized, the government stands to lose way to much money.

Having pot illegal makes for a multi billion dollar industry that the govt grossly profits from.

because it hurts the cotton industry

how is skydiving not healthy?

1. Because corporations build and run prisons.
2. Because you can use the US Constitution as toilet paper these days for all the respect it's getting from the federal government.