You dont want your kids drinking alchohol, smoking ciggerettes, eating a bottle of speed bought from a gas station, taking your prescription pills, enhaling paint, eating crayons, blah blah blah...none of that shit is illegal. Your argument is idiotic and small minded. Dont you understand that making it illegal just makes it more desired by youth? Why not check your own responsiblilities and educate your kid on whats right and wrong instead of depending on your goverment to do it for you.

Your the kind of person that smokes ciggerettes and drinks a beer in front of your kid and thinks thats somehow ok because big brother told you its legal.

Pathetic.

it makes you happier, smarter and slower...

Those are good points. I'm neither for nor against it, but like I said in an earlier post on this thread, long term use of marijuana (and I mean 20 -30 years) can cause very harmful and permanent effects.

I have kids. And it was illegal when I was a teenager too. Did that stop or even slow me or any of my friends down? Hell no!
Every time I see people giving the govt. the green light to take their freedom away on behalf of the "kids" I want to scream.
Think about it...we all smoked pot as teenagers. We all drank as teenagers. We all had fun as teenagers. It was illegal to do it...but we did it anyway. Partly BECAUSE we weren't supposed to.
And teenagers have been doing that since the beginning of all time. And they are still doing it now.
And guess what? Our kids are going to be grown ups in what will seem like the blink of an eye. And then they will be just like us...pissed off because we gave away all of THEIR rights as adults to protect the "children"
I guess what I'm saying is it seems to me that politicians and power-mongers (the same thing?) love to use "the children" as a rallying cry to make us all surrender our freedom.
After all...NOBODY is against doing what's right for the defenseless children. So we MUST make EVERYTHING illegal.
Think about it. And I'm not exaggerating either. Like I said in an earlier post...all this shit WAS legal for centuries. Right up until the 20th century. THEN the govt. started taking control of people's lives and making it all illegal.
And yet everybody reminisces about the "good old days" when the world was a much more "innocent place"
Folks...we are watching ourselves be railroaded by those in power. They are changing history and changing the very way people think and perceive things.
I'm not sure there's anything we can even do about it. Another generation or two and there won't even be anybody left alive that remembers real freedom.
Just a country full of people who were born and raised in a country where damn near EVERYTHING is illegal and you can be searched and forced to piss in a cup or blow into a breathalyzer or have your phone tapped, etc. etc. :(

the effects are not as damaging as having a can of coke, or going to most 9-5 jobs, or drinking more than one cup of coffee, or many things that humans could consume or do everyday for 20-30 years.

I'm pretty sure they are.

A longtime pal (and pothead) of mine would give you all kinds of reasons pot should be illegal.

That's if he can keep his train of thought during the next sentence.

He's one of those unique individuals who can squeeze five or six topics into one paragraph since he can't recall what his previous sentence was about.

Well if god created a HUMAN than god just sucks ass on all levels..

That'd make the Netherlands lazy people who don't get shit done? What a joke :1orglaugh

The most hard working people in the entertaining business here smoke pot

I guess the other big difference is that you guys have a real war on drugs over there - here is no war on drugs.

It's illegal, but I don't remember anyone would ever got busted for weed possession - it's tolerated - up to the level that I see people smoking weed on the street and in pubs.

Heavy stuff ain't much in vogue, only the capital city is a couple spoled rich kids and criminal junkies, the rest is orthodox and will only do alcohol or cigarettes as it's traditionally accepted and even encouraged.

So this way you can be biased, noone gets harrased by police here, cops are some of the easiest in the world from what I know..

Yeah but it's not about the effects to your health, it's a mind altering drug, I will rather be suffering than to become a healthy individual with a mental abilities of a baboon.

Another of my stories is like one stoner driving confused left and right and made a decent 10k damage on the guy's car that hit him..

He wasn't high, he was just a regular smoker - and just as brain damaged as all the other regular weeders I know.

you need to get some better pals.

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1st suffer first and then get back to me mmk.
2nd It does not diminish ones mental abilities in long term use. It does however have an effect on short term memory while under the influence of it and this wears off when you are no longer under the influence of it. Though this portion also is greatly reduced by how long you have been using it and the strain type of the marijuana.

Your stoner driving who was not stoned, confused left and right because he was already an idiot. Remember idiots can become smokers. Just like idiots can become drunks or addicts. Perhaps though you would be more content with easy assumptions. Awhile ago some idiot smoker hit our fence, fucker was looking for his lighter and ran into my fence causing a few thousand in damage. Thus cigarettes smoking causes brain damage right?

Well I knew that guy and remembered him before his weedy years, beeing a normal kid - that's all I can say, I became annoyed talking to him after a while because he wasn't able to response in a sensible manner even to very uncomplicated topics. Haven't spoke to him in like 5 years now.. maybe he is ok again.

My point is basically, that to praise marijuana is definitely in vogue, but it won't do good to anyone, unless these long term effects will be taken in consideration - it's something worth talking about but not worth talking to.

How long term of studies does one need?
The US government has been distributing it out for over 38 years to patients now.
Studies have gone on in regards to it for a much longer period of time.
It has also been in use medicinally for a few thousand years and up until the 1930's it was commonly used in many over the counter drugs.

Every valid study, long and short term has totally slammed the fake claims so many have claimed including paid off scientists and study groups.

Now since it has been studied so damn much and for so long when does it become studied enough? It would meet every FDA requirement, where as something like asprin that is in most homes and sold over the counter never could pass FDA requirements today.

Very intelligent post.

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Well I would be glad if I could back the research with experience, to be honest the only case where I actually read about the weed use problematics was when I needed to get rid of a certain problematic individual and looked for something to justify his sick behaviour..

What I found was characteristics of all the drugs and he just fullfilled the profile of an advanced weed smoker, here is what I remember:

- motorical disorder (he was still doing this crazy hair curling with his right hand)
- outbursts of anger while not beeing intoxicated (on a daily basis)
- strong tendencies to contemplate even on banal topics (his blog and interpersonal communication)
- limited ability to remember and control his tasks (totally)

Therefore, allow me to be biased and not to publically praise something, that's usually promoted as the new wave miracle drug, without anyone mentioning the points above. I also note that this individual was without a doubt VERY intelligent.

Maybe you goggle the history of hemp then you will have your answer. the short answer is politic's

The U.S. Government are the drug lords of the world. They hate it when the little guy steps on their profits and they have an entire, and willing army at their disposal to wage their drug wars. It's been going on since the Iran Contra scandal and it continues to this day.

Pot will eventually be legalized because the people my age, the children of the 60's are now at the age where they'll be elected into power. The baby boomer conservatives will be living in Boca Ciega drinking bloody marys and playing shuffle board. Our generation will legalize the use, cultivation, and cunsumption of marijuana.

Watch the documentary on Showtime called American Drug War. It just came out recently and is a real eye opener.

triplexprint, it has been going on much longer than iran contra. That was just a more solid case with lots of proof and news around it.