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payd2purv 04-22-2008 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Clark (Post 14098623)
So this guy needs four flash peices done fast...

He only has a hundred bucks though, I figured what the heck, I will help the guy out....

So first thing that happens is he give me bad directions...

Leave very important details out...

So the first designs he recieves are not correct...

So I say no problem, I will take the loss and have it done all over again to your new directions...


Well I delivered all the files and everything is done they way he asked... He still is not happy!

There is a quality issue now...

But he never said they need to be top quality, he said they needed to be cheap and fast...

If he would have said he needed them top quality then I would have charged him five times what he was charged!


Anyway, that is my side of the story...

I won't issue a refund and I will not do the work over unless he pays what it is worth!



What would you do in this situation?

Are you saying that you would have charged more to change settings in Flash and give him a higher quality movie clip?

that's bonkers.

What could you have done to give a better quality clip? Worthy of increasing your cost to him?

I don't even see why the quality was soo low.. I can see the quality being destroyed by being put on an angle like that.. but not to the point you have them saved out... Unless the quality of the source was extremely low..

Refund him the $100.. To people on smaller budgets money is more important.. And we both know how long you likely spent on the work... You didn't *earn* that $100.. Use good business ethics.. even if you think you are right it will hurt you in the long run..

Fap 04-22-2008 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NosMo (Post 14099223)
So working with Banthis are we.....

Some peoples kids....



NosMo

Thanks dick :321GFY:321GFY

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-22-2008 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payd2purv (Post 14099885)
Are you saying that you would have charged more to change settings in Flash and give him a higher quality movie clip?

that's bonkers.

What could you have done to give a better quality clip? Worthy of increasing your cost to him?

I don't even see why the quality was soo low.. I can see the quality being destroyed by being put on an angle like that.. but not to the point you have them saved out... Unless the quality of the source was extremely low..

Refund him the $100.. To people on smaller budgets money is more important.. And we both know how long you likely spent on the work... You didn't *earn* that $100.. Use good business ethics.. even if you think you are right it will hurt you in the long run..

We would have tweeked the settings free if the whole approach he made would have been different.... He went bizerk right away... We had the project for all of 48 hours... The was no solid deadline missed.. Nothing, there was no reason for this guy to react the way he did...

He wanted the video on its side like that btw... This job was done to his specs...!




I have tried to reach him on ICQ to make arrangements to satisfy his issues, but he has not reponded..

payd2purv 04-22-2008 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Clark (Post 14099899)
We would have tweeked the settings free if the whole approach he made would have been different.... He went bizerk right away... We had the project for all of 48 hours... The was no solid deadline missed.. Nothing, there was no reason for this guy to react the way he did...

He wanted the video on its side like that btw... This job was done to his specs...!




I have tried to reach him on ICQ to make arrangements to satisfy his issues, but he has not reponded..

Your thought process should have been do whatever to keep the quality high and file size low. It doesn't add time to the process. No cost on your end..

He went bizerk because he felt like you were washing your hands of him. Leaving him with clips he can't use and $100 poorer.

The way you communicated with him likely lead to this..


On a side note..

No reason why the clips should have been 20 seconds long especially with how boring they are..
The clip on the posted tour are originally 5 seconds long..

payd2purv 04-22-2008 09:04 PM

I'd love to know what this project was exactly?

Sounds like..

Take photoshop slice import to flash, encode video to flv, layer flv behind slice, export to swf.

repeat 4x.

That should take an hour?

$100/hour sounds good to me?

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-22-2008 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payd2purv (Post 14100034)
Your thought process should have been do whatever to keep the quality high and file size low. It doesn't add time to the process. No cost on your end..

He went bizerk because he felt like you were washing your hands of him. Leaving him with clips he can't use and $100 poorer.

The way you communicated with him likely lead to this..


On a side note..

No reason why the clips should have been 20 seconds long especially with how boring they are..
The clip on the posted tour are originally 5 seconds long..

Here is the work order http://barelylegalguys.com/flashguys.htm

I had said nothing to him today before he went bizzerk, the last thing I communicated to the guy was a email sending him files and I will quote,
Quote:

Hey,

He spent 7 hours today on this... I hope you like it!
Now all he had to do is tell me he would like the quality a bit better and it would have been done...

He had no reason to feel we would not do it again because we actually already done it twice...

In the directions he gives he never says he wants page to be 1024 wide...

And he did not give us the full psd, it was his lack of directions that caused problem one, but I fixed it at no extra charge for him..

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-22-2008 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payd2purv (Post 14100064)
I'd love to know what this project was exactly?

Sounds like..

Take photoshop slice import to flash, encode video to flv, layer flv behind slice, export to swf.

repeat 4x.

That should take an hour?

$100/hour sounds good to me?

I am not the designer so I do not know what the proccess is...

The first day my designer spent 5 hours and the second day he spend 7 hours doing the job twice for this guy, we were willing to go the extra mile and make him happy, but he flipped out on me before he even talked to me by email, by thread and by icq...

I started my day to this guy flipping his wig... lol




And you will not let it rest so I will end my day with this shit...

payd2purv 04-22-2008 09:17 PM

That work order doesn't make any sense and why does it discuss text changes?

The project was more than just updating those small clips in the player window?

Ahh doesn't matter.. I give up..

you are both in the wrong :)

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-22-2008 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payd2purv (Post 14100119)
That work order doesn't make any sense and why does it discuss text changes?

The project was more than just updating those small clips in the player window?

Ahh doesn't matter.. I give up..

you are both in the wrong :)

At least now you know I was not the only idiot in the matter... lol

L-Pink 04-22-2008 09:35 PM

Those examples sucked cock.

kapopoy 04-22-2008 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Clark (Post 14099874)
Hello Max,

Nice fake nick you have here...

excuse me?

i'm not a fag :1orglaugh

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 04-22-2008 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kapopoy (Post 14100323)
excuse me?

i'm not a fag :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data...roll_spray.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

baddog 04-22-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Clark (Post 14100414)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://pics.bikerag.com/Uploads/data...roll_spray.jpg

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sinking in quite slowly I see.

E$_manager 05-22-2008 03:49 PM

if you got upfront money for work and started - do your work untill your customer will be happy!

this was happen with you cose you are not professional in taking details from customer. Ask 1000+ questions before you'll say "yes" and will name a price, or work with per hour payment.

You wanted fast bucks for easy work, but live gave you pain in ass ;)

Iron Fist 05-22-2008 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vick! (Post 14099434)
I'd have refunded him $100.

What you got by not refunding?

1. A state of mind, little anger - cost: $100+

2. Wasted an hour in a cheap ass thread like this .. and would probably waste some more time, once that client comes here - cost: $100+

3. A handful of little skeptical clients - cost: a handful of hundreds.

4. Even if you didn't get bad name to your company, you still got something not good - cost a couple thousand bucks, or more.

:2 cents:

Now, if you would have refunded him. And then started this thread telling us story that some broke fuck wasted your 3-4 hours .. received original files, and then said he is not satisfied with the quality of work .. so you refunded him $100 because you didn't want an unhappy customer. And then told us that, our satisfaction is what your company is all about.

Trust me, you would have got at least 4-5 replies in thread saying, Clark, hit me up .. I have some work for you. Jon, I need some banners done, talk to me on ICQ. etc ... and probably 2-3 orders.

Well, its your business .. you chosen what you wanted for it.

:2 cents:

Best reply I've seen yet. Funny thing is I had this design website bookmarked as well - you know being new and all, and this month/next month I am going to look into getting a design done.. not flash mind you but a placeholder type page done for a mainstream site I'm looking at developing. Since I can expect that if you can not resolve your differences and flog it all over GFY first.... well I think I'll pass.. permanently. Ive spent thousands of designs for my site over the years... stuff like this just reeks of immaturity - and god help me if for some reason you think I'm not paying you enough for whatever reason.

:2 cents:

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2008 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristie (Post 14225453)
if you got upfront money for work and started - do your work untill your customer will be happy!

this was happen with you cose you are not professional in taking details from customer. Ask 1000+ questions before you'll say "yes" and will name a price, or work with per hour payment.

You wanted fast bucks for easy work, but live gave you pain in ass ;)

You are a few weeks late for that post... Look at the date..!




As far as running my business'... I now own two design companies and I am having no problems at all...:thumbsup












































This thread is over folks... And the issue was resolved... Back then.... So let it go!

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 14225572)
Best reply I've seen yet. Funny thing is I had this design website bookmarked as well - you know being new and all, and this month/next month I am going to look into getting a design done.. not flash mind you but a placeholder type page done for a mainstream site I'm looking at developing. Since I can expect that if you can not resolve your differences and flog it all over GFY first.... well I think I'll pass.. permanently. Ive spent thousands of designs for my site over the years... stuff like this just reeks of immaturity - and god help me if for some reason you think I'm not paying you enough for whatever reason.

:2 cents:

For the record...


The client went to the board first..

I tried everything I could to make him happy..

He was just one of them people that are not easy to work with and flipped out when I showed him drafts versus tell me what he liked and did not like...

In the end he apoligized to me for not being level headed in the situation and it is all resolved..

I don't even know why this thread was bumped..







Ask any of my clients what it is like to deal with me on there projects..

You will find out I am one of the best when it comes to handling your design orders and getting things done the right way and on time!

CyberHustler 05-22-2008 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cristie (Post 14225453)
if you got upfront money for work and started - do your work untill your customer will be happy!

this was happen with you cose you are not professional in taking details from customer. Ask 1000+ questions before you'll say "yes" and will name a price, or work with per hour payment.

You wanted fast bucks for easy work, but live gave you pain in ass ;)

http://www.v8guy.com/humor/English_M...u_Speak_It.jpg

Grapesoda 05-22-2008 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquarius (Post 14098657)
Speed - Quality - Cheap

Pick two.

in show biz they throw money at problems until they go away...

IntenseJerry 05-22-2008 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14098760)
A $100 lesson learned. Myself, I'd refund it and never EVER do anything for him again. Problem solved.

I agree, let it go and move on...:2 cents:

okok 05-22-2008 06:52 PM

If Apple made an iPod that cost 20 bucks but was always broken, lost data, and stopped playing in the middle of songs, the damage done to the brand would outweigh the justification that "it only cost 20 bucks."

Don't lower your standards to meet someone's budget.

RevengeBucks_Monica 05-22-2008 10:45 PM

I think the best business move would be to refund the money and chalk it up to poor communication.

I've found that when you give someone a huge discount in business, they take you for granted and walk all over you. It's in the same rulebook as the "don't do business with friends" rule I think, heh.

A refund is a good business move because it shows all future customers that you are willing to make things right, even if it costs you. And while you are worried that suddenly everyone will expect a cheap ride from you, you have to remember that you are the one that sets the price. You simply refuse to do work at that rate again, and it won't happen again.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2008 11:00 PM

Please go back to page 1 and read the date...

This is is done and over with and has been for a bit..

The client and I have resolved the issue..

I will start a new good old fashion drama thread again soon.. But this one os old and not worth bumping again..



Anyone that post after this is to be considered a drive by poster, sig whore or straight up bot.. :1orglaugh


pr0 05-22-2008 11:06 PM

I can't believe that you started a thread over $100 in the first place.

If you had paid the guy back his $100 halfway through his bullshit & said fuck it...there would be no need for this thread at all.

consider me what you want btw ; )

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE 05-22-2008 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 14226721)
consider me what you want btw ; )


Enlighten me on ICQ anytime mang.. :thumbsup

DWB 05-23-2008 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Clark (Post 14098623)

But he never said they need to be top quality, he said they needed to be cheap and fast...

If he would have said he needed them top quality then I would have charged him five times what he was charged!

I think you should always do your best. :2 cents:

mrwilson 05-23-2008 04:21 AM

As a designer you should always aim to impress no matter the agreed price. :2 cents:

I'm a bot^


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