If you want to keep it easy, you don't need to bother with opening accounts with futures brokers, you can simply open an account with Oanda.

http://fxtrade.oanda.com/forex_tradi...easuries.shtml

Yes, they're a forex broker, and due to some bad apples in the bucket their industry has got a bad reputation, but Oanda is the largest, and I think, trustworthy. They've recently got a USD 100 Million venture capital investment (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-32894573_ITM).

hm thats weird, you replied to me?

Anyway will resend tomorrow morning and drop you an icq

Hey man -- Bob from XBIZ here. I've e-mailed you and ICQ'ed you a few times with no response. I had some questions:

1. Did freeones send this email to all of its partners?

2. If not, what partners received this email?

3. Will Freeones change its policy when/if the dollar gets stronger?

Thanks!

Sounds like a great deal, if I increase your payout 10-30 points then I expect my sales to increase 10-30 points... at the same instant that I increase your payout. If you can't match the increase - you don't get the increase. That's fair.

I can't see why any program would bend to any demand from a Webmaster without demanding more sales back in return.

interesting....so when/if the dollar gets stronger again, does it work the other way...instead of 60% can US programs cut it to say 50% but still expect the traffic?

i understand the idea behind this email/post...we love them there freeones :-)

Roald, I sent you an icq. Hit me up when you're around.

111-1914

A better solution for freeones would be to move out of the Netherlands.
That place sucks anyhow.

Move to Mexico or some part of Asia where the dollar can still buy you something.


The solution isnt demanding a higher payout, the solution is move out of places that use the Euro!

The answer is the PESO.......

not running icq here man, drop me a line in my email :thumbsup

You could open a V.V (Vreemd Valuta) account and keep your dollars (and pay in dollars) till it's better. Anyways, it doesn't seem like a unreasonable request. Pretty smart actually too :)

Sounds good!!

Seven years ago when we earned a thousand in US dollars, we would receive roughly 1250 euro in exchange. Presently for every thousand we earn, we're receiving about 645 euro.

I am not saying your request is over the top but have you thought of the costs of operating here have gone up thus we are all taking it in the shorts for a short period?


So what does that mean for sponsors who were paying ya for the years you were making even more in euros when the dollar was strong do they get a refund? or do we just call it even?

Your traffic is worth it, but my issue is if everyone expects this same thing is where it goes wrong.

I'd be happy to pay you 90%. I will just shave 30%. Let me know, thanks.

Every Canadian should start sending these emails, they've taken just as big of a hit over the last 6-7 years.

Apples and oranges. The programs should raise their price to compensate or use regional billing, not increase payouts. What a bunch of bull.

It's interesting. The same pattern repeats itself, a company is cool to begin with, they get greedy, and then everything goes downhill.

It's no wonder google has done so well with it's "don't be evil".

"We suck with money and can't afford enough coke. BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!"

Yeah, but the Canadian dollar was NEVER worth anything, so they're used to it.

Simple innit!
:)

I don't think it will ever get better.

Tell them to switch to PPS.

Right....you know that's not gonna happen. Nothing against Freeones here, but seems sponsors already bend over to give them free t-shirt shoots ect. I know it sucks for EU and Canadian webmasters, but you guys damn were not complaining when you were getting more dollars than your own currency a few years back.

The dollar will come back but you have to expect to take the good with the bad. You can't have gravy days all the time.

I kinda think this is pushing it a bit, the way they are doing it. It's one thing to hit up a program that you send a lot of joins, to see if they can work you a better percentage. It's a totally different thing to pretty much demand it.

Personally if I ran a rev share program and I could make the numbers work.. I'd make free ones guarantee a certain number of sales per month. If they made that amount of sales, then they get the bonus percentage.. If they don't well then they don't get it.

i dunno, i took a very distinct "give us a raise or we quit promoting you" threat from it. why not just say exactly what you're trying to say...


you know we send you a shitpile of sales. so give us more, or we quit sending you sales...

very valid point

In other words, "we were really stupid we didnt take any hedges to currency looses in the past year , when the writting was all over the wall". So do I. Fuck, fuck, fuck....
I was considering small forward contract at that time, which would made me around 10k USD net more in current exchange rates, but it would be still same money in our currency (CZK)

it actually turned to be a $500 equivalent per month in my country. thats not funny anymore, unfortunately..
Dear past, when $2000 USD was actually $2000 USD and didnt have buying power of only $500 USD

That reminds of Thehun paid spot prices increases in face of fastly decreasing traffic numbers. We arent here to make your currency looses....

Ok, but I turned on my regional billing option so now you're making as much as before with all the euro traffic you send... so that should even it out a bit!

Anyhow I don't think you promote us yet, but if you do I'll get you some custom content and a percent bump when the sales start no problem!

I wonder if the Anal Hobit has any tips on hiding money off shore in 3rd world countries.. :winkwink:

it sure sounded like a demand to me, ie: raise my % or i'll stop promoting you. its better to ask nicely if you could get your % raised IF you send them X number of joins per month more than before.

I see nothing wrong with this. FreeOnes is a traffic monster and as previously stated by others in this thread, their traffic really converts. To ask for another 10% on their revshare considering they have an approximate 45% loss of possible income due to the dollars decline is more than fair. Plus, the programs that get the bulk of FreeOnes traffic can probably retire 10x over just from the traffic Freeones sends them alone.

This is FreeOnes people. They are in a position to do this. Its not like Joe Schmo is going to contact their programs and ask for something like this and expect to get a positive response.

Probably going to see a lot of this in the next 10 years as the dollar goes more and more to shit... Just my 2cents

Another great post by the ignorant in chief .....

So maybe those giving the customer a good product will give them less of a good product to cover keeping Freeones profitable.

Or maybe the good ones will say no and more of Freeones traffic will think it's time to move on Freeones.

Or maybe other affiliates will get shafted to pay Freeones the extra 10%

What ever happens that extra 10% has to come from the client, other affiliates or the product. Way to go Quashe :thumbsup

No one is asking if Freeones traffic is so good why their increased traffic, customer trust and rebilling is not covering the fall in the dollar. Maybe the real reason for them needing to get 70% is not only the fall of the dollar.

Another clueless post by Paul Markham :thumbsup

sign up and promote my ugly black ghetto girls and I'll give you 70% plus I bill in euro equivalency...

Hey man I was taking a river tour here in belize today and we saw a 'collarless tiger heron' and I thought of you....Too bad the bird hid when we got close or I would have taken a picture of it...

It actually looked like a fucking tiger...

If good sites say :321GFY Freeones, the extra 10% might be a 10% loss.

More of their traffic will join more poor sites, rebill less, return to Freeones less and join another site less often.

But heck no the surfer has no choice he's just some fool who will buy what we put in from of him and keep buying it.

So wonder where all the Tubes traffic is coming from?

Every action has a reaction.

LOL keep going Paul I'm laughing my ass off and it seems to be entertaining the japs here too :)


(me thinks paul is still grumpy cause he got banned from FreeOnes msg board lol)

So explain why and where I'm wrong. It's easy to make a clueless statement like yours but explaining why it tougher.

70% to Freeones
5% for marketing and tools
10-15% to billing
10% for hosting.
10% for content and site.
Plus offices, staff, equipment, overheads.

If Freeones traffic is so good and profitable they should already be on a level that's above 60%. But that's the stupidity of this whole situation. The programs converting at 1-200/500 might just say :321GFY and leave Quashe with more sites converting at 1-500/1000. That will soon screw the extra 10%.

Or a few more affiliates who see who Freeones are promoting might do the same, ask for an extra 10%. Where does all this extra money come from?

Yes the members. Go figure their reaction.

So instead of making yourself look stupid try to make me look stupid instead.

I got banned from Freeones for spamming his site without his link. It was a test to see how good his traffic was for us. When he asked in Berlin if we could resolve the situation I replied no need to bother. Seems I was right.

He needs the extra 10% to remain in profit. :1orglaugh

I'm gonna copy and paste this email and send it to my sponsors :)
WG

Everyone should! If they get 70%, why shouldn't everyone else right? I hope the demands start flooding in.

Well Paul, if you ever had a good site you'd know that FreeOnes traffic converts at like 1:200 on a good day.

This isn't about "needing" another 10% it's simply about wanting another 10% and quite frankly most sponsors can cope with it considering the amount of specifically targeted traffic that FreeOnes is sending.

Surfers really won't notice a difference, the only thing that may come in response to this is some shady programs shaving them a bit more to be able to profit from the lower 10% but the real good programs will likely not even add another 10% on top since FreeOnes is already making enough money from them to begin with and, even if they did -- they would be able to cope with it but at a smaller margin then before.

You're right though, the cost for the sponsors are way up there in comparison to the cost for FreeOnes operating their sites but, you're missing the point. FreeOnes is the top sponsor for many many affiliate programs out there and even if they had to give up another 5% or 10% they'd still be making good money from this traffic.

But yeah, keep on trying to turn it in to something harmful for "clients" lol ... why don't you just go to bed man it's late anyway.

Yeah, the market sucks for a lot of us here in America. I know a lot of programs aren't bringing in the sales they use to. Maybe we should email affilatiates informing them we'll only be paying out 40% now. You know, so we can "remain profitable."

:winkwink:

That being said, Free Ones has always been way cool with me. I'm conflicted about this move they're making.

FreeOnes succeed because they take action!
This is another example of a company that is well run and knows what to do to keep growth through good times and bad:2 cents:

You sure it wasn't the other way around?

You silly old man :winkwink:

Roald! I'm back over at NichePay again.. Got some good things in the works! I'll give you a bumped up % and I'll even have some custom stuff made up for you.. Lets work something out man! I like you alot, I'd be willing to work hard to get more of your traffic!

So with such good traffic they need the 10% to remains in profit or greed? Whoops I meant good business. :winkwink:

Roald you remember it anyway you like, you and I both know who asked who. Was the extra 10% for need, good business or greed?

And there's the problem. So sponsors at the top of Freeones promotion list gave an extra 10%. Wait until the other affiliates ask for more. What happens when it gets given or denied?

The snowball gathers in momentum and more of a problem.

So natkejs before a sponsor gives the extra 10% might want to think about the other good ones, the other 5% send 50% of their sign ups. Because if Freeones gets it they will want it as well.

Will you be sending an email to all your affiliates telling them they can have an extra 10% and more hard work from you to keep sending you the same traffic. Or just the top ones?

If that extra 10% is easy to for a sponsor find in todays market, it means they were not being fair in the past. Or they are desperate today. Because anyone who gives Freeones the extra will see others asking.

I've personally spoken with Roald, and we've talked on a number of subjects. So if I decide to offer HIM more, that is my business.. not yours.. or anyone elses who does not perform like Free Ones does.

If someone is productive they should be rewarded for it, I have no problem if someone proves their traffic is valuable.

I still don't like you Paul.. You've always been a thorn in a lot of peoples side, but you are entitled to your own opinions..

Requesting a change in business terms to meet ROI requirements happens in every business. Posting about it in a public forum for the masses to fire quips... only in this one.

-A

why not ask for PPC


lol.