You don't see that creating a new problem? ;)

Amount of sales increases. Margin might be less but gross is higher. Part of the costs are variable but general costs can be devided over more sales.:2 cents:

It doesn't seem to be an unreasonable request, if you can't afford to do it, don't. I'm sure there's plenty of programs that will accomodate the request to get Freeones' traffic.
WG

There is also returning customers, upsales and follow up emails etc etc .... definitely not impossible to turn a profit on 30% if you got a good product and FreeOnes traffic is extremely well targeted.

Though should add you need to take another 7-13% out of those 30% for processing fees depending on your setup and if you swallow the fees or share them with the webmaster.

So yeah, the margin becomes significantly lower but at the same time, this is business, if you can't cope with what FreeOnes is asking for you'll just have to move on. Obviously it's a stunt on their side, like if they would go back to 60% once the dollar goes back up lol ... but still, business is business and they are holding the cards so all you can do is play it their way and try to get the best out of the deal.

Then again, if you run solo model sites where you're the sole promoter of the model then you really have nothing to worry about. It would be a bad decision on FreeOnes part to remove your model from their index seeing they got SEO and surfers looking for her whether you pay them 50% or 70% ... this is rather something that will play in for the guys that has the content to get on their main page. Their archive pages I doubt will change or they would be shooting themselves in the foot.

:2 cents:

70% :1orglaugh

I responded to your email regarding this and have not heard back. Can someone hit me up on icq to discuss it.

Can't even get FreeOnes to answer my emails :(

Actually I sent you an email about this few weeks ago. Lmk if I need to resend.

Drop me a line and I will get back to you asap!

QuaShe, as a reasonably sized company I hope you're looking at other ways to offset currency losses and to ensure a stable future income despite currency devaluation, such as EUR/USD options, currency futures contracts or even forward deals with banks.

I responded but did not get one back. Please send again and icq me so I can confirm I received it

If you want to keep it easy, you don't need to bother with opening accounts with futures brokers, you can simply open an account with Oanda.

http://fxtrade.oanda.com/forex_tradi...easuries.shtml

Yes, they're a forex broker, and due to some bad apples in the bucket their industry has got a bad reputation, but Oanda is the largest, and I think, trustworthy. They've recently got a USD 100 Million venture capital investment (http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...6-32894573_ITM).

hm thats weird, you replied to me?

Anyway will resend tomorrow morning and drop you an icq

Hey man -- Bob from XBIZ here. I've e-mailed you and ICQ'ed you a few times with no response. I had some questions:

1. Did freeones send this email to all of its partners?

2. If not, what partners received this email?

3. Will Freeones change its policy when/if the dollar gets stronger?

Thanks!

Sounds like a great deal, if I increase your payout 10-30 points then I expect my sales to increase 10-30 points... at the same instant that I increase your payout. If you can't match the increase - you don't get the increase. That's fair.

I can't see why any program would bend to any demand from a Webmaster without demanding more sales back in return.

interesting....so when/if the dollar gets stronger again, does it work the other way...instead of 60% can US programs cut it to say 50% but still expect the traffic?

i understand the idea behind this email/post...we love them there freeones :-)

Roald, I sent you an icq. Hit me up when you're around.

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A better solution for freeones would be to move out of the Netherlands.
That place sucks anyhow.

Move to Mexico or some part of Asia where the dollar can still buy you something.


The solution isnt demanding a higher payout, the solution is move out of places that use the Euro!

The answer is the PESO.......

not running icq here man, drop me a line in my email :thumbsup

You could open a V.V (Vreemd Valuta) account and keep your dollars (and pay in dollars) till it's better. Anyways, it doesn't seem like a unreasonable request. Pretty smart actually too :)

Sounds good!!

Seven years ago when we earned a thousand in US dollars, we would receive roughly 1250 euro in exchange. Presently for every thousand we earn, we're receiving about 645 euro.

I am not saying your request is over the top but have you thought of the costs of operating here have gone up thus we are all taking it in the shorts for a short period?


So what does that mean for sponsors who were paying ya for the years you were making even more in euros when the dollar was strong do they get a refund? or do we just call it even?

Your traffic is worth it, but my issue is if everyone expects this same thing is where it goes wrong.

I'd be happy to pay you 90%. I will just shave 30%. Let me know, thanks.

Every Canadian should start sending these emails, they've taken just as big of a hit over the last 6-7 years.

Apples and oranges. The programs should raise their price to compensate or use regional billing, not increase payouts. What a bunch of bull.

It's interesting. The same pattern repeats itself, a company is cool to begin with, they get greedy, and then everything goes downhill.

It's no wonder google has done so well with it's "don't be evil".

"We suck with money and can't afford enough coke. BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!"

Yeah, but the Canadian dollar was NEVER worth anything, so they're used to it.

Simple innit!
:)

I don't think it will ever get better.

Tell them to switch to PPS.

Right....you know that's not gonna happen. Nothing against Freeones here, but seems sponsors already bend over to give them free t-shirt shoots ect. I know it sucks for EU and Canadian webmasters, but you guys damn were not complaining when you were getting more dollars than your own currency a few years back.

The dollar will come back but you have to expect to take the good with the bad. You can't have gravy days all the time.

I kinda think this is pushing it a bit, the way they are doing it. It's one thing to hit up a program that you send a lot of joins, to see if they can work you a better percentage. It's a totally different thing to pretty much demand it.

Personally if I ran a rev share program and I could make the numbers work.. I'd make free ones guarantee a certain number of sales per month. If they made that amount of sales, then they get the bonus percentage.. If they don't well then they don't get it.

i dunno, i took a very distinct "give us a raise or we quit promoting you" threat from it. why not just say exactly what you're trying to say...


you know we send you a shitpile of sales. so give us more, or we quit sending you sales...

very valid point

In other words, "we were really stupid we didnt take any hedges to currency looses in the past year , when the writting was all over the wall". So do I. Fuck, fuck, fuck....
I was considering small forward contract at that time, which would made me around 10k USD net more in current exchange rates, but it would be still same money in our currency (CZK)

it actually turned to be a $500 equivalent per month in my country. thats not funny anymore, unfortunately..
Dear past, when $2000 USD was actually $2000 USD and didnt have buying power of only $500 USD

That reminds of Thehun paid spot prices increases in face of fastly decreasing traffic numbers. We arent here to make your currency looses....

Ok, but I turned on my regional billing option so now you're making as much as before with all the euro traffic you send... so that should even it out a bit!

Anyhow I don't think you promote us yet, but if you do I'll get you some custom content and a percent bump when the sales start no problem!

I wonder if the Anal Hobit has any tips on hiding money off shore in 3rd world countries.. :winkwink:

it sure sounded like a demand to me, ie: raise my % or i'll stop promoting you. its better to ask nicely if you could get your % raised IF you send them X number of joins per month more than before.

I see nothing wrong with this. FreeOnes is a traffic monster and as previously stated by others in this thread, their traffic really converts. To ask for another 10% on their revshare considering they have an approximate 45% loss of possible income due to the dollars decline is more than fair. Plus, the programs that get the bulk of FreeOnes traffic can probably retire 10x over just from the traffic Freeones sends them alone.

This is FreeOnes people. They are in a position to do this. Its not like Joe Schmo is going to contact their programs and ask for something like this and expect to get a positive response.

Probably going to see a lot of this in the next 10 years as the dollar goes more and more to shit... Just my 2cents

Another great post by the ignorant in chief .....