So maybe those giving the customer a good product will give them less of a good product to cover keeping Freeones profitable.

Or maybe the good ones will say no and more of Freeones traffic will think it's time to move on Freeones.

Or maybe other affiliates will get shafted to pay Freeones the extra 10%

What ever happens that extra 10% has to come from the client, other affiliates or the product. Way to go Quashe :thumbsup

No one is asking if Freeones traffic is so good why their increased traffic, customer trust and rebilling is not covering the fall in the dollar. Maybe the real reason for them needing to get 70% is not only the fall of the dollar.

Another clueless post by Paul Markham :thumbsup

sign up and promote my ugly black ghetto girls and I'll give you 70% plus I bill in euro equivalency...

Hey man I was taking a river tour here in belize today and we saw a 'collarless tiger heron' and I thought of you....Too bad the bird hid when we got close or I would have taken a picture of it...

It actually looked like a fucking tiger...

If good sites say :321GFY Freeones, the extra 10% might be a 10% loss.

More of their traffic will join more poor sites, rebill less, return to Freeones less and join another site less often.

But heck no the surfer has no choice he's just some fool who will buy what we put in from of him and keep buying it.

So wonder where all the Tubes traffic is coming from?

Every action has a reaction.

LOL keep going Paul I'm laughing my ass off and it seems to be entertaining the japs here too :)


(me thinks paul is still grumpy cause he got banned from FreeOnes msg board lol)

So explain why and where I'm wrong. It's easy to make a clueless statement like yours but explaining why it tougher.

70% to Freeones
5% for marketing and tools
10-15% to billing
10% for hosting.
10% for content and site.
Plus offices, staff, equipment, overheads.

If Freeones traffic is so good and profitable they should already be on a level that's above 60%. But that's the stupidity of this whole situation. The programs converting at 1-200/500 might just say :321GFY and leave Quashe with more sites converting at 1-500/1000. That will soon screw the extra 10%.

Or a few more affiliates who see who Freeones are promoting might do the same, ask for an extra 10%. Where does all this extra money come from?

Yes the members. Go figure their reaction.

So instead of making yourself look stupid try to make me look stupid instead.

I got banned from Freeones for spamming his site without his link. It was a test to see how good his traffic was for us. When he asked in Berlin if we could resolve the situation I replied no need to bother. Seems I was right.

He needs the extra 10% to remain in profit. :1orglaugh

I'm gonna copy and paste this email and send it to my sponsors :)
WG

Everyone should! If they get 70%, why shouldn't everyone else right? I hope the demands start flooding in.

Well Paul, if you ever had a good site you'd know that FreeOnes traffic converts at like 1:200 on a good day.

This isn't about "needing" another 10% it's simply about wanting another 10% and quite frankly most sponsors can cope with it considering the amount of specifically targeted traffic that FreeOnes is sending.

Surfers really won't notice a difference, the only thing that may come in response to this is some shady programs shaving them a bit more to be able to profit from the lower 10% but the real good programs will likely not even add another 10% on top since FreeOnes is already making enough money from them to begin with and, even if they did -- they would be able to cope with it but at a smaller margin then before.

You're right though, the cost for the sponsors are way up there in comparison to the cost for FreeOnes operating their sites but, you're missing the point. FreeOnes is the top sponsor for many many affiliate programs out there and even if they had to give up another 5% or 10% they'd still be making good money from this traffic.

But yeah, keep on trying to turn it in to something harmful for "clients" lol ... why don't you just go to bed man it's late anyway.

Yeah, the market sucks for a lot of us here in America. I know a lot of programs aren't bringing in the sales they use to. Maybe we should email affilatiates informing them we'll only be paying out 40% now. You know, so we can "remain profitable."

:winkwink:

That being said, Free Ones has always been way cool with me. I'm conflicted about this move they're making.

FreeOnes succeed because they take action!
This is another example of a company that is well run and knows what to do to keep growth through good times and bad:2 cents:

You sure it wasn't the other way around?

You silly old man :winkwink:

Roald! I'm back over at NichePay again.. Got some good things in the works! I'll give you a bumped up % and I'll even have some custom stuff made up for you.. Lets work something out man! I like you alot, I'd be willing to work hard to get more of your traffic!

So with such good traffic they need the 10% to remains in profit or greed? Whoops I meant good business. :winkwink:

Roald you remember it anyway you like, you and I both know who asked who. Was the extra 10% for need, good business or greed?

And there's the problem. So sponsors at the top of Freeones promotion list gave an extra 10%. Wait until the other affiliates ask for more. What happens when it gets given or denied?

The snowball gathers in momentum and more of a problem.

So natkejs before a sponsor gives the extra 10% might want to think about the other good ones, the other 5% send 50% of their sign ups. Because if Freeones gets it they will want it as well.

Will you be sending an email to all your affiliates telling them they can have an extra 10% and more hard work from you to keep sending you the same traffic. Or just the top ones?

If that extra 10% is easy to for a sponsor find in todays market, it means they were not being fair in the past. Or they are desperate today. Because anyone who gives Freeones the extra will see others asking.

I've personally spoken with Roald, and we've talked on a number of subjects. So if I decide to offer HIM more, that is my business.. not yours.. or anyone elses who does not perform like Free Ones does.

If someone is productive they should be rewarded for it, I have no problem if someone proves their traffic is valuable.

I still don't like you Paul.. You've always been a thorn in a lot of peoples side, but you are entitled to your own opinions..

Requesting a change in business terms to meet ROI requirements happens in every business. Posting about it in a public forum for the masses to fire quips... only in this one.

-A

why not ask for PPC


lol.

:1orglaugh

really? missed that

Yeah, GGW politics sucked.. Resigned over some BS.. Had a good offer to come back to NichePay, so here I am :pimp ..

Who would have thunk it?

It's business and not about you liking me, or not. This is crap business management.

It's not only about the % on the rev share, it's also about the conversion and retention stats. So let's look at it from a business POV, this is an example.

Freeones is promoting a site converting it's traffic at 1-200 and retains for 2 months. Freeones earns $36 at 60%. Asks for 70% and gets told no. So drops the site down the promotion ladder and replaces it with a site converting 1-220 and retains 7 weeks. Earns $33.25 at 70% A site doing 1-300 and retain 6 weeks and it could be a big mistake in moving them down the list in vavor of someone giving the extra 10%.

Yes my figures are to illustrate the point and are an example. But you can see why it's not as easy as just holding your hand out and demanding an extra 10%.

Yes I like you agree that people who are productive should be rewarded, we already tier our affiliates payments. But we also see it's a bit more than just the % rev share that determines what they earn. It's also about conversion and retention. Maybe you will tell other people they can or cannot have the extra money. Unwise move to broadcast it on a board though.

We have our payments set, nothing and no one changes them, unless they change for everyone.

You are also entitled to your opinions and I will remain a thorn in some peoples sides. :winkwink:

Were you with Pimpdog before?

There's a saying that goes something like this "When a butterfly flaps it's wings in Indonesia, it becomes a storm in Japan." OK I said something like that. :winkwink:

That's what could happen here.

Sponsors who give in to this will have to face other affiliates sticking their hands out.
Even sponsors who don't give in and remain at the top will have problems.

So Freeones has to drop the non complying sponsors down the list.

Doing that they might drop sponsors converting at 1-500 and replace them with ones doing 1-1000.
All for the sake of an extra 10%.

Do you get the principal?

The word is principle, and why are you worried? How does this effect you?

For some reason I doubt they are requesting anything from you.

i wonder if the conversion rates were the same for 7 years ago ?
i bet they are lower

I wonder if the conversion rates will drop if USA are in recession without credit cards...
i bet they wil drop slightly

Anyway freeones can try: more money better promotion...

A new GFY or Baddog rule? You can only comment in threads that effect or concern you.

So BD will be posting a lot less. :1orglaugh

So the answer is, "it doesn't."

That is all I was asking. It appeared to me that you were just using the opportunity to spar. I was right.

On an unrelated note, baddog has the single funniest signature quote in history. I laugh every time I read it.

:1orglaugh

Hi Kettle this is Pot calling. :1orglaugh

Paul your numbers you posted seem correct but your logic is off. Based on your math - it would mean you would have to calculate in the average income of every webmaster and divide each across your expenses.

Most programs pay 50%, the ones that pay 60/65 can easily pay 70/75 and still make a great profit from any Webmaster. Even if I only earn $30 - it's still a profit.

The key is volume, it's the key to pps programs, it's the key to any Program not losing with Webmasters that request this. If FreeOnes ask this of you - you should force them to increase sales. With Volume - you could pay them 90% and if they increased sales volume you would start to make an increased net profit.

Either way though, even if they don't increase sales to you, paying them an increase % will not hurt a programs bottom line if it retains that affiliate vs not having those sales at all.

I think what they are doing is stupid, they should have kept it private and just made the requests in a professional manner. It would be the only way I would give up the % without laughing the people out of my program.

Interesting development here. I understand that Freeones can demand this because they provide quality traffic which is very key in getting sales. However I am kinda leaning to the camp of people that say hey, we are all suffering here...not just you! Plus I find it highly unlikely when the dollar regains its strength they will be giving the extra percentage back.

Why should people in other countries have to suffer for your mistakes (electing the worst pres ever) ?

The missing element is non-shared revenues. If membership revenue is your only revenue stream, you're doing something wrong.

Who cares what it's about, if they can get it, why not ask for it ?

edit, dumb shit

:2 cents: