Try again :2 cents:

So what if a good program says no and they drop them and replace them with a badly performing program?

There are too many sites offering the same old crap and this has effected sales more than anything. But please don't tell me you now agree with the message I have been spreading here for the past 8 years.

We spend far too much money on marketing crap the surfers do not want to buy. Freeones are either being very greedy in what is hard times for everyone or they run a business that needs the extra 10%. Now go figure out why we don't spend more money on more porn the surfer needs lass marketing to buy.

Bingo, we give it out to affiliates who stick their hands out, tell the content guys they have less money to work with and end up with a product that is harder to sell. Solution, send more traffic.

See the flaw?

In the next few weeks I will be starting a program of sites with exclusive unique content. Affiliates will be by invite only and people who want to run the sites can simply buy their own content. The surfers who buy this content will find it.

Do you really think they would do that ? Do you really think they would simply send out more traffic to a site paying 70 % and selling 2.5 month then a site paying 60% and converting 4 months ?

They are ASKING for a raise. In the end, they will promote the program that makes them the most money.

Get real...

OK what ever you say champ...

No need to try again. If after running Freeones for 10 years you don't have a loyal army of bookmarkers coming to you for the next site to join, that's your fault. Maybe the reason you need to spend so much promoting Freeones is simply because Freeones is not a sticky site with surfers who buy. Because if it is this 10% demand is greed. Pure and simple and all the excuses are lies.

Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?

And please don't tell us all your sponsors convert the same, because if they do you're the reason you need 10% to stay profitable.

Again, it's all about offer and demand. If this business is giving so much to affiliates, it's simply because they are in competition with each other to get theses affiliates...

If you really think you're going to change the world by stopping to give affiliates free stuff , you're dead wrong. You'll simply be alone promoting your stuff.

At one point, you're better dealing in high volume with lower profit margin then very low volume with high profit margins. That's the choice you have to make.

And from the sounds of it, more use for your magic join links I guess.

You're spining shit so far it's not even close to beeing a real conversation anymore.

FreeOnes is not about to go bankrupt. They spend so much money marketing the site because that's their business plan. They have more bookmarkers typein in a day then you have in a year.

When you're at the top, you have to spend even more to stay there.

Hell 90 % of my spendings are for marketing my business...

And about beeing greedy... what the fuck ? Since when making more money for your business is beeing greedy ? Fucking people over is beeing greedy. Asking for a better agreement between two parties isn't. It's business 101...

You're sence of logic / mathematics is retarded... whatever site will make them the most money in the end will be the one promoted...

Off course they would promote the 1:200 one, that's not even a question.

Thats what I say you silly old man, try again. If you still don't get what I mean than please do yourself a favour lol

Want my business advice? I think thats what ya wanted right Dr? Uhh Dre?

Fuck all this make your own FreeOnes Portal call it some shit like HotOnes or something...
Move traffic get book marks and make your space. This guy that runs FreeOnes, its his fucken deal. End of story, his business suffers for it or flourishes from it, fine its just how the web works. Ya got any idea how many FHG's are available? Or how many you can get custom from willing sponsors?

SHeesh...

If ya were to ask me though there are many business models way way way under exploited.
YOu guys crying about this shit is fucken silly off the hook. You would think sponsors reduced payout or something.

Nice posts Paul M. :1orglaugh

I forgot what happened.

shhhh, no hints

Spam? And you have some fuzzy logic. You really think they are going to promote someone that brings in less than the other guy, just because they are paying 70%?


Really? What do you think they will do?

Freeones for president, fucking love the traffic :)

Im sure we make up for it ;)

yet another serious move by another big player in our industry and we are all just too jealous to give them any credit! All these negative posts are completely unfounded.

Back in 1999 or maybe as late as 2002 I had many of my pages prominantly linked in FreeOnes --- i swear it was my only traffic partner next to google that gave me any sales. Freeones traffic was and im sure is even more valuable today.

I <3 FreeOnes

I don't understand why we're not charging $50 for a monthly membership. Price needs to start going up. $39.99, $49.99, something like this would work. I mean shit, gyms charge $100 a month easily and I'm sure many people just pay without ever using it.

Higher prices mean higher payouts. I still see some places charging $19.99 which is a mistake in my opinion.

I totally agree with that. We switched about 6 months ago to $38.80 per month and the ratios increased even after.

Its funny to see all the jealousy on freeones - the interest is high for a business related topic with no naked chicks in it. As stated before already: smart move to do so from freeones - i can not really understand why this is such a big story now however.

Well it can be done if payment proccessor fee is lesser then 15&#37;.Otherwise not.

I should do the same as free ones

my profits have 1/2 over the last year

it use to be us$ 40 cents to the nz $1 ($1 us = $2.20 nz)
now its us$ 80+ cents to the nz $1 ($1 us = $1.20 nz)

Exactly. You are not seeing my ironic statements. So tell Maurice it's 50%, spend the extra on great new content and see if he wants to move the traffic to a sponsor who performs worse.

I'm so relieved you get what I'm trying to get over.

This business has followed the logic of spend more and more sending more and more traffic for about 8 years. Well at least the I've been here. And what do we have to show for it?

A minority sites that do something special, different or very well. They usually convert and retain well. Yes I'm sure you can point me to the exceptions.

The majority of the sites have little to distinguish them from all the other sites in the same niche/style. Few convert or retain well. Yes they are full of exclusive content that is cloned on 90% of the other similar sites.

So what's the answer?

Send more traffic to sites that convert and retain worse and squeeze the sponsors for more money. Great logic guys.

What ever you say you will never convince me that you guys have got it right. Because clearly if you did this part of the porn industry would be far stronger.

I don't know why you even said this. The email said they need the extra 10% to stay profitable. At least get that right. More fuzzy logic from you.

So try it and see how it works. Or are you saying we all up our prices? :1orglaugh

Do you ever answer emails?

Dear freeones,

Sorry but since we're also based in Europe we cant raise our &#37;. However we provide true 50% recurring - and lot of love.

Here you go Paul, they made a whole thread for you: Click here to read

:2 cents:

That's simply because you suck at it I guess... It's not because you failed at something that others can't succeed.

Freeones are succesfull... hell I get 2.5 million page views a day and 99 % are type in surfer... we spent 5 years building the brand to get there, and we are still putting in way more effort promoting then expending the site.

Actually if you think they might go bankrupt you should be working at McDonalds...

After that they made a statement saying the guy who wrote the message clearly didn't express the compagny's views well and that english wasn't his first language.

Stop playing the retard dude... hell I don't even know if you're playing.

Why does anyone respond to Markham? He's an insane old man. He can't even have a conversation in his head without making no sense and arguing with himself.

I'm shocked this thread didn't turn into an argument about pottery after he was here.

You're old and insane Paul, stop typing and go do something useful with your time.

freeones does have a point, the exchange rate is completely fucked. might start emailing my sponsors too for a bump, doubt i will get anywhere though lol

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Yeah we should all up the prices.

is it still 70%?

Ah I was waiting for this to be bumped, thnx!!

If anyone reading this got something interesting to push please do hit me up. Even if you can't offer the 70% (there is your answer) :thumbsup