Okay here we go :

So if I'm counting right, with your business plan established, you're already at 40 % cost operating WITHOUT your offices, staff, equipement, overhead...

The standard industry payout is 60 %... sounds like you're counting on theses magic join links you fucking genious !

Any program freeones is sending a huge ammount of sales already will comply...

Shut up about it beeing a stupid move, they know better : they send more signups in a day then you will get in your lifetime.

Who the fuck are you to tell bigger compagnies how crap their management is ? Look at yourself for christ sake.

You're getting worst then Alien Q

Again LOL

What is it with you man. EVERY time someone makes a typo you have this need to point it out. As to make yourself the better man. unreal but funny as hell lol

It's rather funny to read the comments from people who barely can send one sign up per day. Why flame someone who's taking care of their business so they keep making money?

Everyone is welcome to email their sponsors and ask for a bump in % or PPS. If you don't do it you're the loser. I've emailed plenty of programs and asked for a bump and gotten it, and that was even before I got worldsex.com written on my back.

I do however understand the programs who do not like it and it's their choice to say NO THANKS and move on to the next affiliate. But if people are making money with a program who says no to bumping % or PPS they will probably stay with them anyway.

I fully understand Freeones and I've asked for bumps for years... and gotten it.

What really bothers me is that when the Canadian dollar was low and the American was high the American's demanded that I pay the extra difference to match the american dollar.

And I end up paying more for everything.

but now that the American dollar is low and the Canadian is high the American's demand that i TAKE A CUT!

before i'd get paid $300 american and it'd come to about $325 or more cad.

Now I say I want $300 they demand USD and I get $2??

when I say hey I'm losing money. I need you to pay me in Canadian or I gotta raise my price.

They say.. Tough luck..

That's fucked up.

The low american dollar is fucking Canadian manufacturing/production.

That's because the world economy is based off the US dollar. Like it or not until the last 2 years the US dollar has been the most stable currency in the world so it acted as the center anchoring place for the rest of the world's economies.

The dollar is down right now, but it will come back. It's quite simple if you don't like the dollar bill in Canadian or Euro's see how well that goes over for yea.

This one deserves a bump. Well worded.
:thumbsup

Do me a favor, pussy. Since you seem to know who I am by sight, the next time you see me, come up and introduce yourself.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

huh? :1orglaugh

either you quoted the wrong post or you need to sober up a bit before continuing

Damn man, you really ARE clueless!!

:helpme

fuck yeah.

grab him by the hair and punch him in the neck!

thread value just increased

Thanks M8

Pussy LOL

I do not know you personally no. I do however know how you act on the boards, which is a complete arsehole.

See ya in Vegas!

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I don't see the problem... This is a perfect example of Incentive Profit (I wonder if the english translation is the same...) as I learned in school:
* Take the deal and accept to get 30% instead of 50% per product (accept the Freeones traffic and accept to earn less per transaction)
* Don't take the deal and don't make that 30% (don't accept the Freeones traffic and don't make the the extra incentive profit)
As long as they're leaving the companies a choice, what is the problem?
With the amount of sales that Freeones makes, I don't think this will affect other affiliates a lot.

Juicy, I really hope this picture is on the front of one of your tours....

If so, im sure it yields... what.... 2:1

because US customer is the biggest porn customer. If people from EU would be buying porn-memberships and were paying by EUR, it would be different story...

That email looks professional enough to me, and it wasn't posted by someone from FreeOnes.

ok so what is the problem?
70% is steep but heh they have the traffic.
if you are not happy with it, stay away.
if your business plan allowes it, go for it.
in my case, I have a small operation, I cannot afford it, but if you can, again go for it.
so if you cannot afford it, do not whine.
if you can afford, go for it, simple huh

I wouldn't call that professional. They are an Affiliate that pretty much demanded an increase. This isn't asking "If this is not a feasible request for you, we regret to inform you that we will not be able to promote your program at the same level as we have before." - It isn't asking if it's followed by a threat.

It would have been different if they dropped the sob story, and straight up ask for the exact increase they desired, then maybe offered something in return for being so generous to increase the payout.

Does any sponsor have the balls to attach a condition that if the exchange rate improves beyond a certain rate in the future that FreeOnes revert to their existing payout levels?

didnt read all the posts but isnt this something normal.. even as a gallery submitter I ask for a higher % and always get it.. I don't see them having a problem at all.

Well it seems with all those sign ups they send they need the extra 10% to stay in profit. Or were lying in the email and just greedy.

As for my figures they are always to illustrate the point. But that extra 10% has to be found, from existing costs being cut or profits. All to fund Freeones greed or keep them afloat. :thumbsup

My principal still holds and if Freeones were such a great traffic source they would not be in this position.

But if they drop a better performing program in favour of a poorer one there greed harms then and you. Yes it harms you and me. The surfers are not stupid, piss them off enough and you make Tubes look better.

It's the short term greed of people in this industry that has stopped us all growing. Short term greed like Freeones displays. Or are they going to be unprofitable if they don't get the extra 10%?

Why drag my name into this ya fucken Canadian Dusche bag?

Jeeze...
I can care less about any of this crap.

If you really believe what you just said then well....LOL

It's funny how you always try to trash us, not that I really care though as its entertaining as hell. Thnx :2 cents:

I only named you because you're the perfect example of the failed guy telling big compagnies how to run their business.

You're a simpleton. I can't really understand how you're still doing business.

No, that is NOT not greed, that's simply doing business. The point of doing business isn't only beeing profitable... it's turning the highest profits possible.

No compagny is going to go out of business by giving freeones a big share of their profits, they are simply going to make less money. Or they won't accept their offers and will lose them as affiliates.

They ask for 10 % more simply because they CAN.

It's offer and demand. The affiliates are currently in power because of the high offers by affiliate programs, like it or not... there are simply too many of them offering the same crap.

Drop me a line on ICQ, I resend again yesterday just couldn't find your ICQ addy in this wonderfull tool called trillian :warning

It was totally unprofessional. Sending out what is little more than spam to a group of sponsors demanding they pay an extra 10% or will lose their position is unprofessional. Are they going to drop a good performing sponsor in favour of a poorer one who gave the 10%?

If so they lose.

If they're saying there is no difference between one site and the the next then they need to look at themselves to see where and how they make more money.

They need to be increasing their surfers loyalty. If after 10 years they have not built up a vast army of bookmarkers and surfers who come to Freeones to check out the next site they join that's their fault. Maybe partly due to promoting the wrong sites for the wrong reasons.

Posted on Xbiz.
If they need to be spending lots of money to stand still on traffic, whose fault is that?

The way good marketing works is to get a customer and keep them. The way Freeones seems to be operating is to get them, sell them something that bests suits them and then the customer moves on. Seriously their reviews suck, they review to many, too badly and this leads to surfers not coming back. Maybe they need to look at their business to earn more and not stick their hands out demanding others pay out.

Try again :2 cents:

So what if a good program says no and they drop them and replace them with a badly performing program?

There are too many sites offering the same old crap and this has effected sales more than anything. But please don't tell me you now agree with the message I have been spreading here for the past 8 years.

We spend far too much money on marketing crap the surfers do not want to buy. Freeones are either being very greedy in what is hard times for everyone or they run a business that needs the extra 10%. Now go figure out why we don't spend more money on more porn the surfer needs lass marketing to buy.

Bingo, we give it out to affiliates who stick their hands out, tell the content guys they have less money to work with and end up with a product that is harder to sell. Solution, send more traffic.

See the flaw?

In the next few weeks I will be starting a program of sites with exclusive unique content. Affiliates will be by invite only and people who want to run the sites can simply buy their own content. The surfers who buy this content will find it.

Do you really think they would do that ? Do you really think they would simply send out more traffic to a site paying 70 % and selling 2.5 month then a site paying 60% and converting 4 months ?

They are ASKING for a raise. In the end, they will promote the program that makes them the most money.

Get real...

OK what ever you say champ...

No need to try again. If after running Freeones for 10 years you don't have a loyal army of bookmarkers coming to you for the next site to join, that's your fault. Maybe the reason you need to spend so much promoting Freeones is simply because Freeones is not a sticky site with surfers who buy. Because if it is this 10% demand is greed. Pure and simple and all the excuses are lies.

Answer this. Will you drop a site converting at 1-200 and replace them with a site doing 1-300 because it gave you the extra 10%?

And please don't tell us all your sponsors convert the same, because if they do you're the reason you need 10% to stay profitable.

Again, it's all about offer and demand. If this business is giving so much to affiliates, it's simply because they are in competition with each other to get theses affiliates...

If you really think you're going to change the world by stopping to give affiliates free stuff , you're dead wrong. You'll simply be alone promoting your stuff.

At one point, you're better dealing in high volume with lower profit margin then very low volume with high profit margins. That's the choice you have to make.

And from the sounds of it, more use for your magic join links I guess.

You're spining shit so far it's not even close to beeing a real conversation anymore.

FreeOnes is not about to go bankrupt. They spend so much money marketing the site because that's their business plan. They have more bookmarkers typein in a day then you have in a year.

When you're at the top, you have to spend even more to stay there.

Hell 90 % of my spendings are for marketing my business...

And about beeing greedy... what the fuck ? Since when making more money for your business is beeing greedy ? Fucking people over is beeing greedy. Asking for a better agreement between two parties isn't. It's business 101...

You're sence of logic / mathematics is retarded... whatever site will make them the most money in the end will be the one promoted...

Off course they would promote the 1:200 one, that's not even a question.

Thats what I say you silly old man, try again. If you still don't get what I mean than please do yourself a favour lol

Want my business advice? I think thats what ya wanted right Dr? Uhh Dre?

Fuck all this make your own FreeOnes Portal call it some shit like HotOnes or something...
Move traffic get book marks and make your space. This guy that runs FreeOnes, its his fucken deal. End of story, his business suffers for it or flourishes from it, fine its just how the web works. Ya got any idea how many FHG's are available? Or how many you can get custom from willing sponsors?

SHeesh...

If ya were to ask me though there are many business models way way way under exploited.
YOu guys crying about this shit is fucken silly off the hook. You would think sponsors reduced payout or something.