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Fabien 05-01-2008 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 14136447)
Epass just lost a shitload of customers. How am I supposed to prove my address when I use a PO box? Anyways what are the alternatives?

Same problem here ! Has been for more than 11 years now. It's my biz address (PO BOX) nothing new here. So how am i suppose to verify this ?


You know what i just did, confirmed every damn accounts i have with them with a credit card ! Loaded the minimal fee of 25$ too !

Lilit 05-01-2008 06:49 AM

Ok, I've just uploaded my documents.
I hope they understand that there are other languages in the world besides English and literally that will be a bit complicated for them to verify my address (which is in English on my epass account of course) using a bill, while all bills in my country are in Russian:)

Fabien 05-01-2008 07:04 AM

Same bug here, it's in french !!! Anyways, i'm fucked because of the POBOX thingo. All the docs required have my home address on it. Man after 5 years+ i find it hard to "swallow' so to speak !

J. Falcon 05-01-2008 07:05 AM

I got the same email today.

nico-t 05-01-2008 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 14136145)
Dear Account Holder

Thank you for your email.Thanks for being a memeber of ePassporte.

ePassporte is committed to ensuring the security of our account holders.
For your account's continued security, we require that you verify your
account information within the next 30days to ensure uninterrupted
functionality of your Account.

ePassporte is going to be requiring that Account Holders who have
cumulatively loaded over $5,000,00 to their Account over time (via load
cards, ACH loads, P2Ps, and B2Ps) to submit verification documents.

So we kindly request you to submit the required documents send to your
message center.

We appreciate your bussiness with ePassporte.

hm. I am using epass for years now, so total in loads ive had is way more than $5k but ive never had to send in ID papers and such.

DEA - banned for life 05-01-2008 07:28 AM

fuck epassporte

SmokeyTheBear 05-01-2008 07:29 AM

i havent recieved an email yet but i notice some of my sponsor payments are late. I have bills charged to that epassporte account that require those payments. If epassporte is holding my account i will never use them again and im sure many others will do the same

stickyfingerz 05-01-2008 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yngwie (Post 14136166)
Why do people see this as such a bad thing? Extra security is always a good thing. Ya, I know that most of us have gotten this and have to provide ID and other forms of shit and we haven't done anything wrong, but this is not the end of the world. I provided the required stuff in 5 minutes.

I have nothing to hide so this is not a bad thing in my opinion. Hell, people complain that they are to unsecured and then they bitch because they do stuff to make it more secure.. Can't seem to win I guess. Just provide the stuff that they want and problem solved.

I dont see it as a bad thing, and Ill be sending ANOTHER copy of my ID today. Thing is I sent all the other docs and my id less than a year ago, all the other docs show up just fine, but asking for my ID again. Not a big deal. Just a tad annoying.

stickyfingerz 05-01-2008 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 14136649)
i havent recieved an email yet but i notice some of my sponsor payments are late. I have bills charged to that epassporte account that require those payments. If epassporte is holding my account i will never use them again and im sure many others will do the same

Believe you have 30 days. Look in your account on the site. You wont get an email (at least I didnt) it just shows up as a message in your account on the main page.

Fabien 05-01-2008 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14136655)
Believe you have 30 days. Look in your account on the site. You wont get an email (at least I didnt) it just shows up as a message in your account on the main page.

They asked for it again ??????????????????????????

Just to let you know that i received a small payment and i was able to withdraw the funds but i have 30 days to comply, if i want to continue to use it. Don't know how i'll work this out tho and i'm not really really in favor of this "security" measure which won't change a f*cking thing :disgust

stickyfingerz 05-01-2008 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 14136706)
They asked for it again ??????????????????????????

Just to let you know that i received a small payment and i was able to withdraw the funds but i have 30 days to comply, if i want to continue to use it. Don't know how i'll work this out tho and i'm not really really in favor of this "security" measure which won't change a f*cking thing :disgust

Well Im not too pissed about it since the other 9 docs are there. Had someone send me money or sent money to someone that was scamming people a year or so ago. So had to do the full docs thing. Account was froze that time, but I understood since the guy scammed people. Oh I remember I did a paypal to epass trade with him. He sent epass to me and I sent him paypal. He was fairly active on gfy too, so didnt think much of it at the time. I did the paypal refund chargeback thing. Think it was lousy 100.00 total. I ended up getting 60.00 back of it, but the hassle cause of it was a pain.

I have a scanner and a camera and fax etc, but many people might not have those, so makes it even more of a hassle for those that do not, but if it cleans up epass where you can feel safer doing p2p transactions etc Im for it. Just bit irritated about having to resend even though its not a big deal as I already have a copy of my id sitting on my hard drive.

50 epass documents ;)

Brujah 05-01-2008 07:56 AM

What makes you feel safer about using epass if this is only for people who do more than $5,000 worth of business with them?

BlackCrayon 05-01-2008 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 14136745)
What makes you feel safer about using epass if this is only for people who do more than $5,000 worth of business with them?

Its not. I've never had a payment that exceeded 5k but still got the message.

Sid70 05-01-2008 08:06 AM

Actually moneybookers requested that too ( amd blocked my money in!) and many other like Fet and CGPAY also require that. Payoneer is still clear, but you never knwo what they are gonna ask soon.

Fabien 05-01-2008 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kievdesign (Post 14136771)
Actually moneybookers requested that too ( amd blocked my money in!) and many other like Fet and CGPAY also require that. Payoneer is still clear, but you never knwo what they are gonna ask soon.


Damn, how the hell are we suppose to confirm this when the biz address (epass) is not the same as the docs asked ?

Brujah 05-01-2008 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon (Post 14136761)
Its not. I've never had a payment that exceeded 5k but still got the message.

Well, this statement posted earlier is what I meant.

Quote:

ePassporte is going to be requiring that Account Holders who have
cumulatively loaded over $5,000,00 to their Account over time (via load
cards, ACH loads, P2Ps, and B2Ps) to submit verification documents.

ThumbLord 05-01-2008 08:37 AM

cumulatively as in a total of
like 1000 times 5 or whatever

Barefootsies 05-01-2008 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 14135118)
LOL, so many complaints about scammers on Epassporte, so they do something which in my opinion would help thwart scammers, and you complain about this too.

Some people just like to complain.

:2 cents:

wyldblyss 05-01-2008 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 14135118)
LOL, so many complaints about scammers on Epassporte, so they do something which in my opinion would help thwart scammers, and you complain about this too.

Some people just like to complain.

It isn't that simple. For some of us concerned about scammers and security, sending all of this information to epassporte and not knowing how secure it is is a bit disconcerting. For example, they want your credit card statement...no big deal right? Well, that statement gives them information like your credit limit, how much you owe on your card, what kind of payments you make on your card, where you shop, how much you charge etc. Is it necessary for them to have this info? How will knowing this information improve security? My bank lets me cash very large checks, I have never shown them more than my SS number and drivers license and they didn't keep a copy of them.

Then there is the bank statement...gee...they get to see how much you have in your account...how much your income is (at least from deposits), see who you work for, who you spouse works for (by direct deposits from employers), see what bills you pay (hence how many credit cards you pay). Where do you spend your money and how much do you spend it on....

Now I don't know about you, but I don't see how this information...that you send via the internet to an unsecure location...to unknown individuals that store a copy of it online? or copies in filing cabinets...or wherever...that is accessed by how many individuals...is going to prevent a scammer from scamming.

The main concern here is security right......ok....how secure is the information we give them...and why is so much information requested? Where does verification end and phishing begin? Epassporte might be worried about security (there is a first for everything) but should the people that have to provide that information ALSO worry about the information they provide, how it is going to be kept private and secure? Could you imagine if someone broke into their offices and/or hacked them online how much information that is NOT encrypted they will have access to? People should be very afraid.

facialfreak 05-01-2008 10:29 AM

I am wondering if this may have anything to do with internet revenue now being taxable in the state of New York ... and I am willing to bet that many more states are going to follow suite very soon ...

It sounds to me like epass is preparing themselves to share their records with the IRS ...

But I live in Canada, so I should not have to comply to this ...

Like wyldblyss mentioned above, the amount of information you give to them is violating your own personal security in itself ...

Why has epassporte not sent Michael with their official statement on this at least?

I find it very concerning that a company with such shoddy customer service is asking to be the guardian of our life's history on paper?????

I am probably going to close my account ... and I just paid my plastic card renewal in march, so they can refund me that too!!

Fabien 05-01-2008 10:36 AM

Tabarnake same thing here !

- "Like wyldblyss mentioned above, the amount of information you give to them is violating your own personal security in itself"

Guess what kind of email i'll send to them right now !
They can shove it up their asses.
Man after 5 years with them without ONE SINGLE ISSUE.
I can't beleive i'll say this but FUCK EPASSPORTE

Evil1 05-01-2008 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by facialfreak (Post 14137403)
shoddy customer service

Theres an understatement. I sent them an email asking them a bunch of questions, all I get back is a form letter that didn't have shit to do with what I was asking.

I've had an account since they opened (6 years-ish), not one problem, suddenly I'm a fucking scammer?:321GFY

Brujah 05-01-2008 10:37 AM

You could be right. Maybe it's a tax issue. To prevent you money laundering, tax evaders from cheating George Bush out of extra money.

faxxaff 05-01-2008 11:59 AM

A few weeks back German and other European and US government agencies bought up sensitive information about Liechtenstein Bank accounts. It's pretty obvious that the same thing could hapend to Epass ... actually the danger is much higher with Epass than with banks ...

tranza 05-01-2008 12:14 PM

They are asking everybody for this now??

I'm glad I sent these docs long ago.

:)

Fabien 05-01-2008 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza (Post 14137891)
They are asking everybody for this now??

I'm glad I sent these docs long ago.

:)

I don't know mate :Oh crap

the alchemist 05-01-2008 02:38 PM

I got that yesterday...

Chris 05-01-2008 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranza (Post 14137891)
They are asking everybody for this now??

I'm glad I sent these docs long ago.

:)

it doesnt matter if you sent in before
i dont fucking know why either
i sent in all the shit
a month ago
and now i gotta do it again

fucking epassporte
if paypal wasnt such a fucking fee whore id leave epass right now

RayBonga 05-01-2008 03:10 PM

Changing everything to wire transfers.

Lets see if they have anyone post some explanation here

BradM 05-01-2008 03:14 PM

Changing all to check. Fuck it, whatever.

Fabien 05-01-2008 05:11 PM

+1

COUNT ME IN !
More than 5 years with them without a fucking ISSUE !!!!

It's damn dangerous to send them all those infos.
In fact to anyone. Hell even my own bank doesn't ask me this much !

If you think it's good idea to send all this to a company you don't know shit about.
Hey go ahead ! I've been online since the mid 90's (remember Xpics, i was there guys)

Now where will it stop ? Oh yeah and before a dumb ass comes in here and say that we were whinning about Epassporte security problems and that we are are now whinning again. GFY :321GFY

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT

V_RocKs 05-01-2008 06:19 PM

Lets look at this objectively.

1) Epassporte stops processing all payments for gambling sites.
2) Epassporte asks all members to prove to Epassporte who they are.
3) Epassporte is especially concerned with where you live when asking for the documents.

Now lets look at Neteller.

They did something similar and the IRS went through their documents looking for card holders that had account balances of $10,000 or more and did not acknowledge this fact on their tax returns. Moving money of $10K or more into or outside the US must be declared. Your tax form has a check box to do so. Says something like, In 2007 did you have $10,000 or more in a foreign bank account. Which Epassporte is.

Next they went after the larger gambling winners. So anyone with $100K or more in winnings received an IRS notice informing them that they needed to prove they lost an amount equal to or over the amount they won. If they could not do so, they would have to pay taxes and penalties on the winnings.

Rumors have spread that the number came down to as low as $30,000 over the last two years as the IRS is working to collect all of the money US tax payers kept.

So if you didn't gamble or didn't remove large amounts of cash you might not have a problem. If you did have $10K in the account and failed to report it, you can expect an audit. If you won large amounts, expect a bill.

Iron Fist 05-01-2008 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico (Post 14135118)
Some people just like to complain.

:2 cents::2 cents:

Okay...looks like we figured it out folks... everyone can go home now...

Turboface 05-01-2008 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabien (Post 14139136)
I've been online since the mid 90's (remember Xpics, i was there guys

:thumbsup

Ah, the good ol' days.

I remember pushing SexMuseum, and the few other sites XPics had back then. I also remember pushing CyberThrill Casino, which turned out to be one of the biggest scams in internet history, up until that point and perhaps today.

electricblue 05-01-2008 11:14 PM

i have seen the requirement on my epass, only need fill in epass form and send back with utility bill and 1 photo id, dont know why some of you say they need 10 bits of info, they say it take them at least 10 days to reveiw but knowing from past experiences it will take them weeks.
it a problem for those with a different address than on their epass profiles but at least you have the opportunity to withdraw all your money within 30 days from date of notice then you can set up again with the correct info.

mb 05-01-2008 11:39 PM

Not sure what is going on with epassporte... I sent the requested info to them weeks ago... they are holding my money and I can't touch it. I thought I was a reputable person in this business... why does this take so long to check a couple of emailed docs?

sheesh,

marc

Matt 26z 05-01-2008 11:54 PM

What is stopping a scammer from using Photoshop to doctor these scans?

Nothing.

So this isn't about preventing scammers from joining.

And for the record, I opened a bank account with Washington Mutual recently using their website, and they never requested to see positive ID.

Fact is, you can get a home loan that requires less ID's than ePass is demanding.

Fabien 05-02-2008 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by electricblue (Post 14140038)
i have seen the requirement on my epass, only need fill in epass form and send back with utility bill and 1 photo id, dont know why some of you say they need 10 bits of info, they say it take them at least 10 days to reveiw but knowing from past experiences it will take them weeks.
it a problem for those with a different address than on their epass profiles but at least you have the opportunity to withdraw all your money within 30 days from date of notice then you can set up again with the correct info.


Yeah same for me tho. They ask for 2 documents
1) Valid government issued ID (with photo)
2) A bill, like phone,gaz etc...


The problem is, i don't have a pic of my fart face on the ID, second, the addresses on the ID and the bills are showing my home address, not my biz address and guess where all my Epassporte shit goes ?

So if i can't provide this i'm a fucking thieve ???????? 5 years + without have a sinlge issue. DROP THE FUCKERS it smells very very very bad guys.

StuartD 05-02-2008 04:09 AM

What a mess. I'm so glad I've never used them.

And I don't know what some of you are thinking, for having bills links directly to it.

Ethersync 05-02-2008 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14139367)
Lets look at this objectively.

1) Epassporte stops processing all payments for gambling sites.
2) Epassporte asks all members to prove to Epassporte who they are.
3) Epassporte is especially concerned with where you live when asking for the documents.

Now lets look at Neteller.

They did something similar and the IRS went through their documents looking for card holders that had account balances of $10,000 or more and did not acknowledge this fact on their tax returns. Moving money of $10K or more into or outside the US must be declared. Your tax form has a check box to do so. Says something like, In 2007 did you have $10,000 or more in a foreign bank account. Which Epassporte is.

Next they went after the larger gambling winners. So anyone with $100K or more in winnings received an IRS notice informing them that they needed to prove they lost an amount equal to or over the amount they won. If they could not do so, they would have to pay taxes and penalties on the winnings.

Rumors have spread that the number came down to as low as $30,000 over the last two years as the IRS is working to collect all of the money US tax payers kept.

So if you didn't gamble or didn't remove large amounts of cash you might not have a problem. If you did have $10K in the account and failed to report it, you can expect an audit. If you won large amounts, expect a bill.

Yeah, I think you're right about this unfortunately... :disgust


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