You can't compare tube sites to TGP's... even though some tube sites are pretty cheap on the quality some are quite good... just as good as what most members areas are offering..

Tube are killing lots of sales for sure... but I don't think they're doing it on their own... the insane increase in pre-checked cross sales which makes the no-brainer surfer pay $100 for which he thought would cost him $2.95 will make this very surfer never spend another dollar on porn... so, every single day potential customers are cut away by the big greedy companies

Word....

Tube sites are free porn for the surfer, it's broke guys getting their nut !

:thumbsup:thumbsup

It's not the end of the adult internet but the adult internet is gonna change dramatically, it already has...

its all about quality. u cant have crappy sites no more & expect to make money.

Yeah, but all those new fancy "HD" sites seems pretty damn hard to sell...

Its not about resolution, but the scene quality in general.

Exactly! They are basically MPG's.

Hmmmm...let's see, I have 181 programs listed in my stats remote with a couple hundred of them bundled in one big CC Bill account. Let's see what just my top 4 are doing:

http://claudia-marie.com/fun/july08stats.jpg

I guess I didn't get the memo about the biz being killed by the tubes. I suppose there realy ARE people in this world who like to go first class with a real membership instead of acting like street beggars desperately trying to find stolen free stuff. I know I've read a lot of so-called experts on here saying "Nobody buys porn anymore" I can prove you wrong every minute of every day.

dont think that this is not just the beginning, tube sites will get better and faster real quick. this was the proof of concept and had sparked a tube industry where those players are sitting around thinking about how to increase their traffic.

this will not kill adult but you will see a dent, the smaller the better

~yawn~ ...

It also depends on the type of person. Not everyone is looking for something free. I would think there are plenty of guys that time is more important then the monthly fee. Personally I would prefer to pay 30/month and get right to some quality of what I like to watch when I want. I hate wasting time even if it's to save a few bucks. The ones that are looking for it free aren't going to signup anyways they keep looking.

Sure some guys just want some general porn but things went niched long ago so follow that path and you should make plenty still. Even if tube sites provide this most people think of free as you get what you pay for.

Robbie, its good with your realism and optimism... no one wins a battle fighting with a loser script/attitude.

Now you know you got a winner product, but unfortunately most of the illegal tube sites owners and their sponsors also think they got a winner product (no lawsuits or broken bones), so each of you will wake up in the morning thinking of new/better ways to get your product out there, and sooner or later your paths will cross. At that time I hope you are right, .and your product is much better than the free version the illegal tube site owners will offer of your videos.

Myself is not waiting for this to happen - I want to use my current winner script/attitude/product to go after the illegal tube sites owners today.

Try getting off your lazy asses and make your program 1/2 decent and maybe you won't go under :)

there's a BIG difference between showing galleries of pics or 30 second clips like mgp's and tgp's do, to showing full length dvd and site rips and if you can't see that you're stupid. anyone who stumbles across a tube/torrent site isn't goling to buy another porn membership in the future.

:2 cents:

Nope.

See sig nig.

You obviously have no fucking clue what you are talking about. :disgust

quoted for truth and accuracy

I usually agree with you on things, but here I strongly don't.

You are assuming everyone is looking for the newest, well lit, quality or HD porn. They are simply not and you are fooling yourself if you think they are. Of course there is a market for quality porn, such as yours, but the masses will never demand it. All Joe Blow wants is "the girl" or "the fantasy" to get him off.

I am a porn consumer and have not paid for porn since the tube sites started. Now... FORGET IT, I will never pay for porn again. All of my friends agree. It doesn't matter to me the quality of the video of photo, in fact, the more amateur means it's more realistic and it gets me off harder. Nothing gets me off harder than a shitty cam on a tripod watching a REAL couple fucking in a dimly lit room. It's real and it's hotter than anything you, I or anyone else on this board has ever shot or will shoot.

REAL PORN and REAL FANTASIES will win in the end of this free vs pay porn battle. Doesn't matter if it's in HD or VHS. If it's hot, it's hot.

Thanks for the quote BV. I think some people think "tube" always mean illegal. It doesn't and it should be beaten into some heads.

Tube does not mean FULL lenth videos.

It's about selling a fantasy. Quality will always take a back seat to a hot fantasy or a hot girl. Good quality is just a bonus.

A guy with his cock in his hand doesn't give a rats ass about screen size, resolution, lighting, angles, wide screen or how new it is. He only cares about if it makes him want to cum and if he can download or stream it as quickly as possible so he can cum and get back to his wife and kids without anyone finding out about his porn addiction.

Many of you seem to alway forget that all of this that we do, is just so a guy can bust a nut. Nothing more, nothing less. Those of you who get too caught up into anything other than this, will probably not be in the industry long term. Which is probably a good thing. :upsidedow

Sometimes I think you guys don't jack off anymore. Because if you did, you would know exactly what I'm talking about. It's about "the girl" or "the fantasy." End of story. :2 cents:

Surfers have a clear choice. free tube sites, or get quadrupled billed with 4 hidden cross sales.

For every surfer who thinks they are joining 1 site for $40 and ends up with a $250 monthly VISA bill is fertile for become a free tube fan.

Give em what want, free porn and fraudulent billing!

I think its all down to what you want. If you just want to jerk it quickly then sure tube sites are gonna be the perfect place.

But if you want good quality porn and don't mind paying $30 a month then tube sites aren't going to change your mind.

I know I'd rather pay a little bit each month to get High def and DVD quaility scenes rather than some grainy tube site scene. Plus with tubes, its pretty much the luck of the draw. Say you want a certain scene featuring a certain girl. It'll take a lot of luck for that to actually be on a tube site.

If you have a product that people want then they'll pay to see it

You are so right.

On the issue of tube sites, it really just seems the length of the video is the biggest change from the MGP/TGP world. and that's mainly on illegal tubes. There are even legitimate tubes that I feel post way too long of clips. Whats the point?

I'm glad someone understands that. :thumbsup

Tube sites are visited by people who most likely wouldnt pay for a site anyway. Tubes wont kill this industry. Its just another way of giving out free porn which has been happening since day 1 on the internet. Next year there will be something else, tube sites will die out and you idiots will be crying like little babies again about how the next big thing is gonna kill this industry.

Isn't this whole discussion a little played out? I am pretty sure I have seen at least 30 of these threads across multiple boards. Just be better then the tubesite. Quality traffic will convert, your job is to get the quality traffic and to keep it. Figure it out instead of dreading over a tubesite.

:2 cents: