It's called freedom and it's something that the west and certainly the US prides itself on.

The Europeans did it here when they colonized North America. Nothing new here.

Soon the oil will be gone and they can go back to where they were 100 years ago.

Yeah, if we were forced to live in the deserted with nothing but sand we'd be pissed off too.

part of me wants the US to end the war but another part hopes they glass the whole region....

please don't confuse my thoughts and actions with those of the US gov. I personally have never been to the mideast and have no immediate plans to open a walmart there. I do want them to stay there, I DO NOT want islamic law in the US. is that clear enough for you? :)

actually I read about 15 years ago that there would be a backlash in the white community for blaming all the worlds problems on white people. looks like the school shooting are that backlash. -bmb

I don't dislike or hate the arabs. I disagree with their life style and do NOT appreciate their was with us. please do not ever think that the arabs are not are war with us. they are still fighting the crusades and they intended to win... and this time they have us over a barrel with the oil. study some world history if you've a mind too... this crap goes way way way back to about 2000 bce...

yes they do and we have the right to live the way we want to. what does racism have to do with anything...? race has nothing to do with it...

so you're okay with your civil rights being diminished? you like being strip searched getting on an airline? you think it's okay muslims to push their culture and religious laws into our way of life? they have no separation between church and state, while we at least pretend we do :)

Whats so fucked about it? Its there culture at least they are not imposing it onto you.

You seriously make no sense. But then again hating others is senseless in itself.

I'd be happy if we could just walk away... I don't think our solders should be dying over an internal 'Islamic religious civil war' and that's what we are involved in. we need to step back and then do biz with the winners. let them sort it out and at the same time find other energy sources.

the suad's second largest export after oil is terrorism.

really? that's funny...

I decided to poke fun at the arabs for their culture and you have decided I that them? you ride a mighty high horse don't you :) have fun with that... be well

I have a huge problem with the separation of church and state. In my previous post I wrote that I have a problem with the way they treat women and take their religion to extremes, but that alone does not mean that I have it out for a whole race of people or am willing to make fun of the way they choose to dress. In North America we have just as extreme religions they just don't get that much press because they aren't perceived to be a threat to us. In the US the separation of church and state is and has been eroding for a while. But it is an ebb and flow like politics in the West always is.

As for being strip searched on the airlines, I have never been and were I, I'd be pissed. That said, the events of September 11th can be viewed through sever different eyes. On one side you have Al Qaeda who think that the US has done them harm and they are reacting (which is no different from us reacting to them via the war). Then you have the people who think that everyone in the US is innocent and that they don't deserve to have this happen to them (equally possible view and the reason for the war). And finally you have the people who believe that the US government was involved in setting this up in order to start the war and secure oil for the future. (Perhaps a far stretch but who really knows what politicians are willing to do to accomplish their goal) I think that it is very hard to place blame on the event as no matter how you look at it it was a reaction to years and years of one thing or another. It was probably going to happen one day or another. This is just the world that we live in now. I think that if we were going to be truly subjective we would probably have to chalk this up to it being everyones fault for allowing the situation to come to this sad and unnecessary end.

But in the end, I think that it ultimately comes down to where you grew up and what you were taught as a kid. Were we all born into Islam I think we would probably all have a much different opinion save for the few that recognized it's faults.

Long and somewhat rambling I know. I think what I am really trying to express here is that hating this group or that group is not going to help us advance as a whole. Regardless of what we say or do, fighting wars has very rarely solved a problem. Probably it would be best for everyone involved to figure out a way to co-exist rather than continue to hate each other. Do I have problems with their culture...sure, but I have problems with ours as well. No one has all the answers or is ever going to be 100% right. Many throughout history have tried yet none have succeeded.

"At the annual national heritage festival, men and women attend on different days, in adherence with Saudi Arabia's strict code of separation between the sexes. Getting caught with an unrelated woman can mean arrest, a possible flogging and dishonor."

This is just unacceptable.
I would rather wear acid washed jeans in the worst suburb of the US then live there!

What is a Mechitza?

Well that was well said. Tis true, this is just the world we live in, so in response them fuckers are dying daily, and in this world America will beat them fuckers into the cave they crawled out from. My hope is that America never stops this killing and targeting of Islamic Extremists. They need to be purged from the world and the more people that jump in to exterminate these fuckers the sooner we all can have a reasonable dialog with sensable conclusions and have some fucking peace in the world.

I am not so much a pacifist anymore really, I enjoy watching bombs blow these fuckers to pieces. It's a morbid trait in me perhaps but the more of these Islamic wack jobs die today the better.

On another note I do not see Islamic Extremism going out anytime soon, and all the while Islam is truly invading Europe, the government's are paralysed by the Islamic Populations growing inside and with it comes extremists and each European government is unable to act or move against this insideous faith on its own lands while forcing European governments to be derogatory to governments that take action against this poisonous faith.
I belive it is the religeon itself, it is designed to propagate hate, segregation of the sexes and ultimatly unrelenting goals that are dictatorial in nature that places the Koran in the hands of the powerless whose only functions are to follow the religeon and the clergy that declares veritable war's at different level's on different cultures both locally and internationally.

Look how Islam has spread in Africa and the Middle East, and those area's are now in constant war and unstable to the core. In short what I am saying is where Islam sit's is where war unstability reigns in the world.

read some history books and see what "we" did with some native cultures when we arrived in your country :2 cents:

Geee thats a great speech Braintrust!

You have no clue what you are talking about. Dude, u need to do your homework bfore you expound on things you don't really understand.


BMBradley...I think your view is really miopic too.

What do you think I care what you think? I am saying my view is what it is.
It may not be factual to everyone and to others it may make sense.

And in some ways it is very accurate dispite what your little fucking brain can not digest.
You tell me this religeon does not dominate the lives of it's followers to an extent that it is unatural and manipulative to the point of reverting the Middle Eastern Civilization's progress in the modern world. I think current history proves it quite well.

You tell me Europe does not have an Islamic Problem right now, just try it.

What I love are guys that come in goin "Oh no you got it all wrong you do not know shit!" statements.
Please muther fucker, please. You are a dork just like me that sit's behind a computer all day working. What the fuck do you know?

Appearently I seem to read more than you and digest what I see while reading history and todays information from all around the world. I got my own conclusions fuck face, sorry the best you got is calling people idiots.