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Yea, I can understand that my 3 sales must have retained horrible for you to switch me over, maybe now that I have sent 2 more sales efter the switch the tables are turned?

true true true.

You see 3 in the stats you mean.

Seems to me that you aren't getting 'fucked over' on any traffic at all. you are being paid the agreed upon PPS for all sales up to date, but that unfortunately it is unprofitable for them to keep paying you 100 PPS.

this is absolutely standard. It doesn't matter why the joins aren't profitable, the reality is, they aren't. So, it would be insanity for pussycash to continue to take the risk of paying $100+ PPS on traffic that is not historically profitable.

this is a classic example of an affiliate having an arrogant sense of entitlement when the business is simply not there to support the payout.

You've been notified that this gravy train has come to an end.. so you are free to do what you want.. stay on revshare or go find someone else who wants your traffic.. im sure the sponsors are lining up.

Sponsor programs need to be defended at times like this, when they are dragged through the mud for doing nothing wrong - all we do is pay pay pay pay pay... heaven forbid we actually try and turn a profit.

I received the same email. The PussyCash rep contacted me, and asked for my traffic. I even put up the banners and text he sent me. After 4 sales I get the email saying my members are not retaining. How can you judge this based on 4 sales?? I could understand if I sent 50 sales and none retained.

Can someone please help me out once and for all with a good Cam sponsor. My traffic is high quality, big tits niche, mainly US/UK/AU/CANADA.

The only Cams site I have had luck with was LiveJasmin, but I lost my whales after the 14 day cookie expires. Now I have reps from LiveJasmin wanting to buy advertising on my sites..grr!

I'm really not sure that all reps are given access to all the stats you would think they would get to see.

The quality of traffic can affect retention. So can the quality of the site. Hard call without a lot of information and still who would be sure.

Some sponsors convert well and some don't. On rare instance I can explain why. for example, if the tour takes a long time to load or if the promo iframe screws up (double thumbs of same person on a dating site for example). What if the members area rucks bad? That would explain a lot. The average income of the join would also affect retention. Do you know the demograhics of your site?

Anyway, these points are not aimed at PussyCash.

Have you ever really checked out a sponsor? Joined the program and take in the whole experience? Some sites really do suck (not referring to PussyCash) and don't deserve retention.

I don't promote PussyCash and I have not joined any of their sites. These are just some observations.

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Conversely, it reads to me like the program's false sense of entitlement even when they don't have a leg to stand on.

Try wording your promotion like so

"We pay $100 for the first five sign-ups, after which we will, at our discretion, bump you to some other payment scheme" instead of
"We do 100$ PPS!!11111!!1111!!!!!111!!!!eleventyone"

Then you can say what you're saying.

I run 2 affiliate programs myself, I am not "just an arrogant affiliate" I know how this works and I sure as hell know that we all need to make a profit. It seems you are not getting the point, do you really think I am "hurt" because they switched my pay outs? Not at all, I can care less because like you said there are plenty of other programs that would gladly take my member area traffic. The way they advertise their promos and then the execution are 2 different things, very simple. Many have said it here already they send 3 - 4 joins and based on that they get switched. You and I both know that you can not base anything on those numbers, I sent a little over 10 in a short time with a 1:280 ratio, highly targeted niche specific traffic to the same niched cams. Perfect match right?

You feel you need to defend yourself? Elaborate. Because you seem to hate paying your affiliates who you call arrogant by the way (good way of looking at those who make you money). I actually LOVE paying my affiliates so I really don't understand what your problem is.

Sebastian

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You are a proven clueless wind-bag with a miniscule shred of writing skills.. so I cringe at the fact I'm even responding to you, but...

Do you run a program? Do you have any experience in managing the risk of thousands of credit card transactions? Do you have any experience managing cashflow for a large multinational corporation?

If you take one poster's myopic view of a situation as evidence of the whole, then you lack even basic analytical reasoning skills. For every person who sent some joins to the promo in question and was told they would have to go back to revshare (after being paid out at the promo rate on all joins..) and subsequently made a stink about it on gfy, there are many others (ie the vast majority) who are probably still happily promoting the $100pps links, knowing that they will get paid out the full amount on each and every join they send.

Ad personam won't win you this argument, but thanks for trying.

Lol. Bwahahahaha.

Deluded twit.

Dollarmansteve is a deluded twit?

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See, the thing is.. a comment like that is all most of us need to hear. Just stop, lol.

Talk to Amit or the lovely and talented Dwreck at webcamcash....

I'm just sayin'

Yeah, there are plenty of companies that are transparent and love member area traffic.:thumbsup

To be fair I cannot belive that after only 3 sales they can decide whether your sales have good retention or not, this is stupid. How is 3 sales enough to tell that, you need to see atleast 10-15 sales to see an even half decent average and decide on quality of sales.

oh snapps..

THIS IS TOO FUCKEN FUNNY.....Consider yourself a peckerhead.

Adam gave you a reply. It was a business, here are the facts reply.

Pussycash got to be 1 of the cleanest operations being run. They so take care of there people.

From someone who has known these guys forever all I can say Thanks for giving them free advertsing....

WRONG AGAIN PECKERHEAD....

Yes i promoted them too, bad ratios but still a couple of sales a period, because of the $100 a sale it was still worth promoting them... got the same kinda email as you did last month.. i have pulled all links since i didnt like it either.

"We have checked your account and it seems like your users are not retaining in our system as well as the average users do.
Due to that we will have to change your account into status "no campaign" and the meaning is that you will be paid according to $70 scale or the 20% Rev Share program (you can decide which is best for you) and won’t be able to take part in any special campaign that we are running, such as the $100 per signup campaign that we have this month.
We are not going to change your payout retroactively so any signup that you have generated in the current campaign will be paid in full, but starting this Thursday April 3nd , your account will be changed into status "No campaign" and you will be paid according to the $70 scale.

Please let me know if I can help you in any way.

Your campaign status will be reevaluate next month"

same template, only they deleted the $70 lines in yours so yours is worse LOL

Your quote "They aren't in the US"

Not being sarcastic but think about this. You seem to know the business. DO you realize how many american companies pay you out of foreign banks and also how many foreign companies everyone deals with? If you wanna deal with just USA based porn companies your probably leaving a ton of paper on the table...

oh no the Drama

Although I agree with some of your points, then could you explain why cookies are only turned on for default 10 days? Heaven forbid you try to turn a profit indeed. Give me a fucking break. :2 cents:

They state $100 PPS then decide its not profitable, then they shouldn't of had $100 PPS to begin with...

True, true true....


SOOO Fucking true...

I would move on and find another cam sponsor asap. I've seen other cam sponsors do the same thing with one major exception. I've never seen them switch you right away to revshare without some kind of warning. The rep should have contacted you and let you know by a certain date that if your sales productivity didn't improve that they would have to switch you.

Pussycash/Imlive has always been one of the worst converting cam sponsors. They got caught up into a payout promo war with Cams.com over a year ago and both companies raised payout rates far beyond the range of profitability simply to try and attract affiliates away from each other. The fallout was that when the promos ended they didn't want to drop their payout rates in half back to what they were before and lose affiliates. So they kept payouts relatively high and now are faced with trying to only keep those affiliates whose traffic is profitable. I would give Mtree a try as their free signup/cc verify join does well in member's areas and usually converts 5 to 8 times better than traditional pps cam sponsors. Their $75 promo day this week is Sat, get your links switched out and you'll at least triple your $/uniques overnight.

All in all it's incredible how shitty management of cam sites is, overall. I mean, I understand this is adult, we're no rocket scientists here, we're the people that couldn't make it through college, populating the RV's and surfer beaches of the world, but this is fucktardness beyond the reach of the average redneck.

And in spite of it, everybody takes themselves for some sort of Warren Buffet of the latter day saints,

running entire .~*MuLtInAtIoNaL*~. -=CoRpOrAtIoNz=- out of their ass.

Get with the program people. Learn how to read, write and a little bit of math. Cause with your bright minds as they are right now, cams are the future the same way MS-DOS was for IBM : Somebody else's future.

post pics of your tits or you're a dude!

This really sux big time

Who you trying to be fair to? Me or them? I am not saying I got scammed by them, they paid me the money I had earned, but moved me down which made me really feel like an idiot after the few sales I had sent, especially when I just the very day before had created 10 blogs on 10 own domains with different ip's just to promote them.

Always been good for us not had a problem with they're pps.

look at all the people coming to the thread, sayin exactly same thing

they send a couple sales, then get "the email" telling them that they are converted to REV SHARE

this is a clear bait and switch scam

PUSSYCASH :321GFY

Sorry I think I must of meant to right "to be honest", I agree with you totally. I don't agree with them switching you at all, if they can't PPS what they say they can then they should lower it. But what I was saying is that even if they are doing PPS and have to convert some webmasters to revshare, they cannot make a justified decision until atleast 10 sales are made in my opinion. I mean, an affiliate could get unlucky and the first 3 sales they refer cancel their membership within the first week (which shows alot about the camsite anyway)... Never used PussyCash, PPS options with cam sites don't appeal to me but because of this I probrably never will.

OMG what a clueless idiot you are... Like Tom said, please stop :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Have you guys tried contacting them directly? Perhaps they could have worked out a different PPS rate for you.

They initially canned my account for suspected fraud after a couple sales. I hit them up via e-mail, told them how I promote them, they checked it out, and re-instated the account. I've sent well over 5,000 sales to them since and gotten PPS on it. If you think the switch to revshare is unwarranted, e-mail them and perhaps they'll take a harder look at your account (or move you to a lower PPS level).

They should pay him what they offered in the 1st place. $125 PS


Id be more than happy to take that members area traffic.

I have heard many affiliates complain to me about pussy cash and their bait and switch tactics.

I contacted them first thing, they put me on $32 per sale PPS, that's great, $32 on a sale that is minimum $25 and often $50 or more. Sure it doesn't sound that bad but in todays market where regular paysite programs offer $50 for a $1 trial etc I would think sending a qualified signup that buys webcam credits should pay more than $32 PPS.

jet it up

Damn I didn't get a mail yet that my retentions are better than average and that I will get paid more :(

Pussycash did the very same thing to me. I told a fellow webmaster friend of mine and they setup as an affiliate. They did a massive campaign to drive traffic to imlive and immediately made a good handful of sales. 3 days (not a week, not a couple weeks not a month, but 3 DAYS) after sales started they got the same email saying they will start paying $32 PPS instead of the advertised rate. All links were immediately pulled and sent to another cam site.

How in the world can they determine "retention value" or whatever they call it after only 3 days? THEY CAN'T.

Their goal seems to be to get you to start driving traffic, then once you are cut your pay, then hope like hell you don't pull the links.

The funny part to this is after they pulled their stunt, they kept sending canned emails months after pulling the advertised rate offering the higher PPS, of course they weren't true. My webmaster friend replied back and just blasted the rep, who now is acting surprised that they are only paying the $32/pps. The rep "checked" it and sure enough, on the $32 plan because of poor "retention value".

Here is where it gets good, my friend emailed her back again, slamming the rep again making it very clear that with imlive's crappy conversion ratio it simply isn't worth sending traffic, they actually said in the email that even if imlive pays $100 that any other cam program that only pays $35 would produce more income because the conversions are so bad. The rep came back and offered $50 with the condition that PC was going to "monitor" the traffic and pull the rate if the "retention rate" wasn't high enough. Again, my friend pointed out that even at $50, it wouldn't earn as much as a site only paying $35 because of the crappy conversion ratio. The rep offered to try to raise it some more but wouldn't go up to the "advertised" rate.

The final reply from my friend was raise it and agree to leave it or I won't restore the links or send any more traffic, and the reps final reply was "we can raise it but there is no way we will agree to leave it and we will immediately evaluate retention rates and if they don't match what we want we will lower it with no advance notice.

My conclusion? There is absolutely no doubt that PC is playing a game to try to get their links out there, then cut the pay and hope like hell that the affiliate doesn't pull the links. Its bait and switch, no question at all.

If I agree to any PPS program, its my job to get the traffic there, NOTHING MORE, and its the sites job to offer a high enough quality site to retain the customer. CUSTOMER RETENTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE QUALITY OF TRAFFIC, initial sales yes, but not retention.