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Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 05-31-2008 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 14262185)
If they didnt end in in round 2, ending it like that is retarded as fuck.
preferential treatment by the ref for sure... EliteXC is depending on kimbo to be their milestone fighter and if he loses that would not go well for business. Hopefully EliteXC will fail in mma like the XFL failed in football.

Lets just hope they start bringing in tag team mma and ladder matches.

MMA LADDER MATCH??? FUCK YA!!! :helpme

leave it up to elitexc to make it happen. i tune dint right in the middle of baroni's entrance. i wasn't sure if i was on wwf or elitexc....

Turboface 05-31-2008 10:52 PM

Just watched it on YouTube.

Awesome fight!

:thumbsup

GTS Mark 05-31-2008 11:04 PM

Ok just watched the fight on youtube (the video was terrible quality but i got the gist of it).

Thompson was clearly on his way out, I think it was an early stoppage but his ear was a fucking MESS! It was thompson's corners fault for not getting that thing drained before the fight.

Alot of the fights tonite seemed to be stopped very short, hence my thought is that CBS does not want to go to crazy on the "gore factor" and give their detractors too much ammunition for allowing cage fighting on cable tv.

I wonder who will fight Kimbo next? Is a rematch possibly in the works for James Thompson (doubtful)?

DH

Torn Rose 05-31-2008 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14262068)
No he didn't look good on the ground. It looked like Kimbo had 3 months of Brazillian Jiu Jitsu training. He didn't move hips, he didn't close the half guard, he didn't do shit.

Thompson just threw a punch back, right before the ref did his shitty stoppage.

The rules clearly state... Stop the fight if the fighter does not intelligently defend himself. The fight should have been stopped in the 2nd round, when Kimbo was on the fence and could not stop the unanswered blows.

End of story. This is bullshit, watching it with Nick, the whole time I kept going on that the Kimbo myth has been exsposed. A C level fighter was taking Kimbo down, taking his best punches, and kept going.

Kimbo wouldn't be able to hang with a new UFC HW fighter. Sorry to actually say it. Sean Gannon who beat him years ago, didn't last very long in the UFC either, he got his ass whooped by a B Level UFC Heavyweight.

I'm frankly disgusted by EliteXC, it has done more to make MMA a fucking farce as a real sport, than McCain did in the dark days pre 2000.


Well said, we just watched it and I am amazed this wasnt stopped in the 2nd and when it was stopped I am not sure why.

I love Kimbo, but this was a gift.

Scroto 05-31-2008 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fucksakes (Post 14262002)
yeah I think the fight should of stopped when kimbo was stuck on the ground.. from what I know he was not defending himself.. he has lots to learn on the ground yet.

I laughed at this fight more than ever. reminds me of them shows... "so you think you can fight"

yeah i agree, they would have stopped it i think it if was anyone else. it looked like he was just laying there waiting for the end of the round

rayzor 05-31-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkingHARDEST (Post 14262211)
Ok just watched the fight on youtube (the video was terrible quality but i got the gist of it).

Thompson was clearly on his way out, I think it was an early stoppage but his ear was a fucking MESS! It was thompson's corners fault for not getting that thing drained before the fight.

Alot of the fights tonite seemed to be stopped very short, hence my thought is that CBS does not want to go to crazy on the "gore factor" and give their detractors too much ammunition for allowing cage fighting on cable tv.

I wonder who will fight Kimbo next? Is a rematch possibly in the works for James Thompson (doubtful)?

DH

Yeah.. I thought Thomson's ear was about to fall off! :1orglaugh

All heavyweights get gassed. I haven't seen a match where they didn't. I don't know what match some of you guys were watching, but Kimbo still had powerful punches even near the end.

Isn't Kimbo more a hand to hand type of fighter? I give him props for saying that he wanted to try to do some wrestling on the ground. If you didn't know, most non MMAs fighters new to MMA gets their ass HANDED to them no matter how big you are. Kimbo actually survived. That's something!

If anyone watched the Kung Lee vs Shamrock match, you can see guys can win if they avoid the ground. You just have to avoid the ground if that's not your specialty!

For all you MMA afficionados out there. Get real... did you not expect to be disappointed? :1orglaugh This is a gory sport on free, network TV! Of course they had to tone it down some. They're already getting a lot of press on ESPN. This show did it's job. It brought MMA to the masses. Those that didn't watch MMA before might become fans now. It's all about doing just enough to attract more fans.. Ultimately it's all about the $$$!

VeriSexy 05-31-2008 11:59 PM

Glad kimbo faught a more credible fighter and won

WarChild 06-01-2008 12:02 AM

The announcers were terrible. Scissor sweep, Kimura? Come on, they didn't have a clue.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 06-01-2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 14262296)
The announcers were terrible. Scissor sweep, Kimura? Come on, they didn't have a clue.

My favorite was when one asked the other how they'd score the fight sof ar and his response was "i have no clue, huhuhu" and the other both chime din with "me either, huhuhu" they really had no idea...

MovieMaster 06-01-2008 12:22 AM

Best was the uppercut kimbp landed and dam guys ear was flapping as if he was a mike tysons punchout character in the video game... funny as hell...

Richard Dawkins 06-01-2008 12:24 AM

MMA provides solid proof that humanity has not evolved as much as we'd like to think.

dig420 06-01-2008 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins (Post 14262330)
MMA provides solid proof that humanity has not evolved as much as we'd like to think.

Testing yourself in an extremely arduous endeavor showcases the best of humanity, not the worst. These guys are martial artists first and foremost. I would bet you that a higher percentage of MMA fighters have a college education than the general populace.

Get thee to a gym before you pass judgement.

Richard Dawkins 06-01-2008 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14262463)
Testing yourself in an extremely arduous endeavor showcases the best of humanity, not the worst. These guys are martial artists first and foremost. I would bet you that a higher percentage of MMA fighters have a college education than the general populace.

Get thee to a gym before you pass judgement.

If I was a betting man I'd take you up on that.

Beating a human being for the entertainment of others is not noble in any way, shape or form. I stand by my original statement.

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-01-2008 05:19 AM

I dont understand why slice wasnt using that knee on the ground in the 2nd??? he could have delivered some serious body damage while thompson was pounding away

Thompsons ground game is years ahead of kimbos and slice would have lost fast had thompson been able to keep him on the ground just a bit longer

Once thompson ear opened and kimbo saw blood the shark came out it was instant and visible... the blood clearly motivated him

the stopage was perfect timing... thompson was dead on his feet and didnt come out of it until the ref was in his face, it took him a while to figure out what had happened and thats when he took a shot at the ref

all in all great fight, and now kimbo has some video and real mma exper to build off of

props to both and reality kings for being some smart smart motherfuckers

Drake 06-01-2008 07:19 AM

It should not have been stopped. In all likelihood, I think Kimbo would have finished Thompson off as Thompson was very wobbly, but Kimbo was nearly out of steam and the fight could have gone to Thompson or ended as a draw.

Either way, I'd give Kimbo the win. He did more damage with his punches and rocked Thompson on several occasions. The problem with Kimbo is that he doesn't have the endurance for MMA. Kimbo is very fortunate that Thompson doesn't either which is why those small elbows and punches to the head in Round 2 didn't put Kimbo to sleep. He wasn't defending himself to conserve energy and the blows he was taking weren't severe.

Kimbo can be a good fighter, but I don't think he'll ever be a great fighter. He made some rookie mistakes. If he can use this experience so that he doesn't make those mistakes again, and increases his endurance, he'll be competitive but not a top fighter.

All in all, this was his first test for his ground game and his endurance (every other fight including his street fights, with the exception of the fight he lost to Ganon, never lasted more than 2 minutes). If he doesn't work on his ground game and ever gets taken down by a true ground and pounder, he's toast.

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 06-01-2008 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins (Post 14262559)
If I was a betting man I'd take you up on that.

Beating a human being for the entertainment of others is not noble in any way, shape or form. I stand by my original statement.

it is when both parties agree to stand toe to toe and see who the more skilled man is. It's different than walking down the street with a video camera and pounding on some random for shits a giggles. You seem to me to be one of those bleeding heart liberal faggots who is destroying our world. Bitchified to the max, lol.

rayzor 06-01-2008 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike33 (Post 14262761)
It should not have been stopped. In all likelihood, I think Kimbo would have finished Thompson off as Thompson was very wobbly, but Kimbo was nearly out of steam and the fight could have gone to Thompson or ended as a draw.

Either way, I'd give Kimbo the win. He did more damage with his punches and rocked Thompson on several occasions. The problem with Kimbo is that he doesn't have the endurance for MMA. Kimbo is very fortunate that Thompson doesn't either which is why those small elbows and punches to the head in Round 2 didn't put Kimbo to sleep. He wasn't defending himself to conserve energy and the blows he was taking weren't severe.

Kimbo can be a good fighter, but I don't think he'll ever be a great fighter. He made some rookie mistakes. If he can use this experience so that he doesn't make those mistakes again, and increases his endurance, he'll be competitive but not a top fighter.

All in all, this was his first test for his ground game and his endurance (every other fight including his street fights, with the exception of the fight he lost to Ganon, never lasted more than 2 minutes). If he doesn't work on his ground game and ever gets taken down by a true ground and pounder, he's toast.

The stoppage of the fight was right. It's in line with all MMA fights. Once excessive blood starts flowing, the fight gets stopped.

Kimbo is clearly the stronger fighter standing up. I thought the ref was going to stop the fight after Kimbo got his head pounded on the ground. It looked like he wasn't blocking, although the hits might have been weak.

Endurance is always an issue with heavyweights. Most go for the fences in the first round. When they realize that they can't knock out their opponent in the first round, they start conserving energy and come out swinging in the final round.

Kimbo has a chance to become great. He will make mistakes after all he is a rookie! He only had less than a year of work on his ground game. am I right? The key for him will be to fight smart. Avoid the ground! His hand to hand is awesome.

iseeyou 06-01-2008 09:24 AM

Lately, I have been dissapointed with the refs in UFC. However, I think the ref made some controversial but good decisions in this match. He did not stop the fight in round 2. Good decision. Kimbo was not being seriously harmed from those very light hits. True, Kimbo was not fighting back or defending but there did not seem to be a need to block those lights hits, except to avoid stoppage by ref.

In round 3, Thompson's eyes tell me that he must not continue fighting. I don't know if the ref stopped it because of the blood or Thompson's eyes or both, but Thompson must not continue at that point because it looked like he was only semi-conscious, especially since Kimbo can cause severe damage with only one punch. Kimbo looked very tired, more tired than thompson, at the end but his eyes were normal.

notoldschool 06-01-2008 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14262463)
Testing yourself in an extremely arduous endeavor showcases the best of humanity, not the worst. These guys are martial artists first and foremost. I would bet you that a higher percentage of MMA fighters have a college education than the general populace.

Get thee to a gym before you pass judgement.

I totally agree with you on the degree front. Alot of MMA fighters are highly intelligent individuals who are far more respectfull of others than most civilians. People who only see the fights on tv will never get the disipline it takes to get to the level these men are at.

And for those who thought the entrences to the ring (Baroni) was like WWE, please pick up a few Pride DVD's and see what you think. They really celebrate the fighters in Japan. Baroni has been doing this shit for years.

JC-OCCash 06-01-2008 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14262118)
Sounds more like bullshit, you looked up his record and came up with that. I'm one of the biggest MMA geeks I know, and I haven't seen him fight in Cage Rage, or Urban Destruction to see any of those knockouts.

I've seen him knocked the fuck out by Fujita, Aleks Emelianko, both from Pride FC, and Rogers last Elitexc. He got KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT, not on his feet, out cold.

Kimbo did not do that tonight, and this stop was utter bullshit.

The rules again state: A fight shall be stopped if a fighter does not intelligently defend himself.

that was round 2 when Kimbo was up on the fence getting punched and elbowed in the face with impunity by Thompson.

The stoppage was bullshit.


Hey bro....I was watching the fight with a bunch of guys from the gym and we all saw KIMBO tap while in the guillotine choke about 2 minutes in and they didnt do anything wtf was that??????

dig420 06-01-2008 12:46 PM

That was a thumbs-up, not a tap.

JC-OCCash 06-01-2008 12:47 PM

http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1607

I guess we werent the only ones that saw it lol...Watch this...

JC-OCCash 06-01-2008 12:50 PM

Dig- I know you know your stuff and I hate to name drop but I was in the room with Forrest Griffin, Steve Cantwell and Dewey cooper and they were all screaming he tapped!!!

JC-OCCash 06-01-2008 12:50 PM

Either way....not the outing KIMBO needed..That I am sure we all agree on.....

eightmotives 06-01-2008 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by starpimps (Post 14261972)
why didnt the ref let the fight end..that stoppage too quick

Its CBS man, you know damn well they couldn't let the fight continue on such a network.a The guys ear was fucking bleeding like crazy.

notoldschool 06-01-2008 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-OCCash (Post 14263378)
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1607

I guess we werent the only ones that saw it lol...Watch this...

Garbage..LOL. Cant wait to see this one. Im curious to see if they line it up knowing Kimbo could get beat badly.

eightmotives 06-01-2008 01:02 PM

The best part is when Kimbo had Thompson in a head lock and pile drove his neck right into the ground. :)

Dailydiapers 06-01-2008 01:33 PM

I think it was a good fight for Kimbo. He got to show his ground game a bit and still rung the guy's bells. He was seeing stars for sure when the ref stopped it. Good call.

Nicky 06-01-2008 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-OCCash (Post 14263378)
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1607

I guess we werent the only ones that saw it lol...Watch this...

lol, is that Bas getting up to the front and looking all jumpy like it's gonna break out any second in the down right at 52sec? :upsidedow

pussyserver - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-01-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14263500)
lol, is that Bas getting up to the front and looking all jumpy like it's gonna break out any second in the down right at 52sec? :upsidedow


Rogers was about to get his whole camp stomped out lmao ROFLMAO



by the way was that Bas with the rockstar shirt on?

dig420 06-01-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-OCCash (Post 14263381)
Dig- I know you know your stuff and I hate to name drop but I was in the room with Forrest Griffin, Steve Cantwell and Dewey cooper and they were all screaming he tapped!!!

I only saw the fight on youtube because my DVR fucked up grrr... but from what I read on the boards the ref asked if he was alright in the semi-guillotine and Kimbo said he was and gave a thumbs up. That's the general concensus after the fact anyway.

Anthony 06-01-2008 08:55 PM

This was bullshit, all the way to the end, where Gary Shaw, the promoter at the post fight tells everyone James Thompson is having trouble breathing and got rushed to the hospital.

Then Thomson walks in.

http://mmarated.com/users/video/163/529.html

Nicky 06-01-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14264542)
This was bullshit, all the way to the end, where Gary Shaw, the promoter at the post fight tells everyone James Thompson is having trouble breathing and got rushed to the hospital.

Then Thomson walks in.

Oh god, that was an embarrasing moment.

Holly 06-01-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 14262030)
I watched the fight with a MMA fighter ,and afficando and he is disgusted by what harm this show on free TV has done to the rep of MMA.

I was extremely disappointed with the whole thing. The first thing they showed were a bunch of hookers dancing and flipping their hair around. Then rappers grabbing their crotches, pyrotechnics, smoke every where, sequined costumes, people looking like idiots, etc. I thought it played into every bad stereotype that MMA is trying to disprove. It honestly made me feel sick to my stomach.

Anthony 06-01-2008 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Holly (Post 14264602)
I was extremely disappointed with the whole thing. The first thing they showed were a bunch of hookers dancing and flipping their hair around. Then rappers grabbing their crotches, pyrotechnics, smoke every where, sequined costumes, people looking like idiots, etc. I thought it played into every bad stereotype that MMA is trying to disprove. It honestly made me feel sick to my stomach.

One of the best examples of MMA was on tonight, with WEC's 145lb Championship fight between Uriah Faber and Jens Pulver.

That was MMA.

EliteXc was not.

Anthony 06-01-2008 09:24 PM

Pretty good article on the suckiness of EliteXc.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

pornask 06-01-2008 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy (Post 14262292)
Glad kimbo faught a more credible fighter and won

He has yet to win the fight. All of his wins were and remain questionable. Nocredible win as of yet.

Nicky 06-01-2008 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by pornask (Post 14264619)
He has yet to win the fight. All of his wins were and remain questionable. Nocredible win as of yet.

True, the Bo Cantrell fight was the worst one IMO, fuck looking at that fight I would have taken him out my self lol

Holly 06-01-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14264607)
One of the best examples of MMA was on tonight, with WEC's 145lb Championship fight between Uriah Faber and Jens Pulver.

That was MMA.

EliteXc was not.

I watched it. I love both of them. They've been showing reruns of Uriah Faber's fights on Wreckage for the last couple of weeks. He's amazing. I'm also into Carlos Condit. Love him, too. I have Spike, Versus, and HDNet recording constantly. :1orglaugh

I saw that little Jared Shaw pecker on Inside MMA Friday. I had a feeling they were going to fuck up such a golden opportunity. He came off like a total weasel.

pornask 06-01-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14264646)
True, the Bo Cantrell fight was the worst one IMO, fuck looking at that fight I would have taken him out my self lol

Very true. In this yesterday?s fight, Kimbo was defeated in the second. But ref wouldn?t stop the fight; instead he ended it when Colossus had little blood oozing out of his ear ? nice excuse to make Kimbo a winner. Why are all the refs so blatant about making him win at any cost?

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 06-01-2008 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14264607)
One of the best examples of MMA was on tonight, with WEC's 145lb Championship fight between Uriah Faber and Jens Pulver.

That was MMA.

EliteXc was not.

It was a great fight, fought with a lot of class. Torres and Maeda for the bantamweight belt was a pretty exciting fight too. A shame Maeda's eye swelled up so bad the fight couldn't go on, but the 3 rounds we did get was a fucking battle hard fought. i love the lightweight guys, they come out swinging!

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 06-01-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14264611)
Pretty good article on the suckiness of EliteXc.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

Zing!! They had it bang on with that one. I have to agree with him, that even as a rookie MMA fighter, Brock Lesner would likely take Kimbo out.

Nicky 06-01-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 14264699)
It was a great fight, fought with a lot of class. Torres and Maeda for the bantamweight belt was a pretty exciting fight too. A shame Maeda's eye swelled up so bad the fight couldn't go on, but the 3 rounds we did get was a fucking battle hard fought. i love the lightweight guys, they come out swinging!

Yea, awesome tempo for sure. My favorites are light heavyweights though I gotta say :)

Nick_Merlot 06-02-2008 04:03 AM

Kimbo is a hard ass!

nickey1952 06-02-2008 04:52 AM

It was boring , 30 minutes of hype for a crappy 1.30 minute fight, give me a break...

Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life 06-02-2008 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14264715)
Yea, awesome tempo for sure. My favorites are light heavyweights though I gotta say :)

even back when i was watching a lot of boxing before getting into mma a few years back, i always prefered lightweight bouts. i've never been a huge fan of the heavyweights hugging eachother and waiting for that one knockout punch. I like to see a guy who comes out swinging and fights his whole way through the fight. Torrres did not stop fighting for one moment. Even in defensive position he was still wroking an attack. It was a great pace. I thought it was a little more exciting to watch than pulver and faber and wish it would have gone another couple rounds.

Pulver and Faber was great battle too though. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen, and was just waiting for one of them to throw a knockout punch. I was rooting for pulver, but Faber really did win the fight. he's a great fighter.

kooperclub 06-02-2008 07:26 AM

kimbo rocks!

Nicky 06-02-2008 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat (Post 14265408)
even back when i was watching a lot of boxing before getting into mma a few years back, i always prefered lightweight bouts. i've never been a huge fan of the heavyweights hugging eachother and waiting for that one knockout punch. I like to see a guy who comes out swinging and fights his whole way through the fight. Torrres did not stop fighting for one moment. Even in defensive position he was still wroking an attack. It was a great pace. I thought it was a little more exciting to watch than pulver and faber and wish it would have gone another couple rounds.

Pulver and Faber was great battle too though. I really wasn't sure what was going to happen, and was just waiting for one of them to throw a knockout punch. I was rooting for pulver, but Faber really did win the fight. he's a great fighter.

When I really like light heavyweight is when they really go at it, too bad they usually don't last were long like that.

Vegas Ken 06-02-2008 08:13 AM

Kimbo was great on Youtube. But as a MMA fighter he is an insult to the sport

sinclair 06-02-2008 09:51 AM

That fight was fixed. Did anyone even notice the camera work when Kimbo was in the guillotine? Camera angle 1 - close shot - guillotine was locked and kimbo was in trouble. Camera angel 2 - pull back shot of crowd, Kimbo "slips" out back to close up shot. CBS took some notes from the WWE on fakery for that fight.

Faber VS Pulver - 'nuff said.


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