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pr0 06-06-2008 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross (Post 14287066)
Pretty funny for you to say that sitting over in the USA. Take a walk through any of the tough London streets and see if your attitude changes. Knife crime in our country is a serious problem, just like gun crime is a serious problem in the USA. The UK is addressing our situation unlike the USA who will never upset the big gun companies.

I'm not gonna go and say Guns should be banned or whatever. Responsible gun owners don't kill people, for them its a hobby. The same can't be said for knives. Anyone who carries a knife on the streets is intending to use it if needed. There is no sport as far as I'm aware that people need to carry knives. You can't get a license to have a big ass knife on you at all times. Young people carrying knifes are more dangerous the responsible gun owners.

Actually I'm an expert on the subject. I walk around with a $200 knife in my pocket at all times, for the sole purpose of maiming someone. So does every person i know (here in the u.s.) What did you think only the British carried knives?

Its much easier to sneak a knife past a metal detector in a club/bar/concert. You just put it near your belt buckle/snap.

pr0 06-06-2008 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SexSense (Post 14287827)
Why the fuck use a 3 inch knife anyhow? Americans prefer guns anyhow, no? :D

We have a 4 inch rule.....I'll post some photo's of my blades in a few once i wake up.

Americans love knifes & guns....don't get it twisted.

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 14288617)
Its much easier to sneak a knife past a metal detector in a club/bar/concert. You just put it near your belt buckle/snap.

Also much easier to lob off your tit.

By the way Libertine, I was actually curious how an article on the QD problem'd look on wikipedia. Unsurprisingly it looks like it never had parents.

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0 (Post 14288648)
We have a 4 inch rule.....I'll post some photo's of my blades in a few once i wake up.

Americans love knifes & guns....don't get it twisted.

I remember in costa rica the rule was, you're not allowed to carry a blade longer than your arm.

eightmotives 06-06-2008 12:29 PM

Knives fucking rock.

Anthony 06-06-2008 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14288576)


No argument. Provided they for instance know what a safety is. Guns take some skill that many people do not in fact posess.

I wouldn't bet my life on it.

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14288823)
I wouldn't bet my life on it.

You've got to die somehow, people tend to forget. Once you accept that things are much easier.

Anthony 06-06-2008 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14288888)
You've got to die somehow, people tend to forget. Once you accept that things are much easier.

No, that's an idiots view on life.

Don't put yourself in a compromising position, and the chances drop greatly that you won't have someone pointing a gun in your face.

I've trained with LEO's, DEA, and years of Aikido, all doing the "Gun Disarms", and it just doesn't work. Betting someone doesn't know how to use a safety on a GLOCK is just plain fucking stupid.

Real simple test how well your gun disarms work. Squirt gun, have them shoot you before you "disarm" them.

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14289034)
No, that's an idiots view on life.
Don't put yourself in a compromising position, and the chances drop greatly that you won't have someone pointing a gun in your face.

We obviously have different life philosophies. I'm probably an idiot, you're probably a boring fart. No way to win, really.

SykkBoy 06-06-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14288677)
I remember in costa rica the rule was, you're not allowed to carry a blade longer than your arm.

I bet midgets hate that law...

Libertine 06-06-2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14288576)
Discussion never was purely "deadlier", it was dangerous.

I'd say "most likely to cause death" would be a good indication of how dangerous something is, wouldn't you?

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Imho 10:1 is a gross understatement. My money is in 1:50 or thereabouts. So since you like Popper, here's your falsification criteria : Cough up some data about bodily injury in knife/gun confrontations and if it comes under 1:10 I'll concede Internet Defeat on the point. I'm too lazy to go look it up, and so in fairness I can't take you for an Internet Win.
We already have some data, actually: the San Francisco General Hospital totals for both gunshot and stabbing admissions over the years 2003-2007. (I won't post the image again, you'll have to scroll up)

Interestingly, the numbers for both are fairly similar. If, as you would bet, confrontations involving knives were 50 times as likely to result in bodily injury as confrontations involving guns, that would suggest that in that particular area, confrontations involving guns were about 50 times as common as confrontations involving knives.

That hardly seems likely, now does it? Especially considering how knives are generally more readily available in situations such as domestic disputes.

But, for the heck of it:

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The overall fatality rate in gun robberies is an
estimated 4 per 1,000--about 3 times the rate for
knife robberies, 10 times the rate for robberies
with other weapons, and 20 times the rate for
robberies by unarmed offenders.10 For assaults, a
crime which includes threats, the most widely
cited estimate of the fatality rate is derived
from a 1968 analysis of assaults and homicides
committed in Chicago. The study, prepared for the
National Commission on the Causes and Prevention
of Violence, reported that gun attacks kill 12.2
percent of their intended victims. This is about 5
times as often as in attacks with knives, the
second most deadly weapon used in violent crimes.11
With one exception, more recent studies have
generally concluded that death was at least twice
as likely in gun assaults as in knife assaults.12
http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14289211)
Interestingly, the numbers for both are fairly similar. If, as you would bet, confrontations involving knives were 50 times as likely to result in bodily injury as confrontations involving guns, that would suggest that in that particular area, confrontations involving guns were about 50 times as common as confrontations involving knives.

That hardly seems likely, now does it? Especially considering how knives are generally more readily available in situations such as domestic disputes.

Not at all. Maybe my experience is not at all relevant, but people as a rule show off guns and use knives.


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But, for the heck of it:



http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt
What, chicago in 1968 is your data ? Partizan law control "findings" ? Come on.

Get a report of total felony assaults recorded in one year, sorted by weapon used if any.

Anthony 06-06-2008 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14289117)
We obviously have different life philosophies. I'm probably an idiot, you're probably a boring fart. No way to win, really.

Yah I live a very boring life. :winkwink:

Let me ask you a question, do you think as a woman, you can kick my ass?

I'm 6'1" 240lbs.

Just want to make sure, I think you are RBSD material.

Roald 06-06-2008 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Libertine (Post 14289211)
I'd say "most likely to cause death" would be a good indication of how dangerous something is, wouldn't you?



We already have some data, actually: the San Francisco General Hospital totals for both gunshot and stabbing admissions over the years 2003-2007. (I won't post the image again, you'll have to scroll up)

Interestingly, the numbers for both are fairly similar. If, as you would bet, confrontations involving knives were 50 times as likely to result in bodily injury as confrontations involving guns, that would suggest that in that particular area, confrontations involving guns were about 50 times as common as confrontations involving knives.

That hardly seems likely, now does it? Especially considering how knives are generally more readily available in situations such as domestic disputes.

But, for the heck of it:



http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fireviol.txt

Give up man, its no use

Libertine 06-06-2008 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14289253)
Not at all. Maybe my experience is not at all relevant, but people as a rule show off guns and use knives.

What, chicago in 1968 is your data ? Partizan law control "findings" ? Come on.

Get a report of total felony assaults recorded in one year, sorted by weapon used if any.

You think that in Chicago in 1968, the knives were somehow of a lesser quality than they are today, resulting in many more botched assaults with knives than is standard? Also, the '68 report isn't the only study referenced in that paragraph.

But, I'm going to leave it at this. I'm fairly certain that short of a brick to the head, there is little that would make you see reason.

Libertine 06-06-2008 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 14289319)
Give up man, its no use

You're right, of course.

Somehow, I'm reminded of this:

fluffygrrl 06-06-2008 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 14289319)
Give up man, its no use

What's the matter, are you trying to find the end of the internets ?

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14289259)
Yah I live a very boring life. :winkwink:

Let me ask you a question, do you think as a woman, you can kick my ass?

I'm 6'1" 240lbs.

Just want to make sure, I think you are RBSD material.

I have no idea, off the forum. It depends on many factors - are you in shape ? You've mentioned years of martial training, so I'd guess you're trained, would you know we're fighting ?

Heads on, in a ring like, probably not. Otherwise, you never know, do you.

SayWhut 06-06-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14289259)
Yah I live a very boring life. :winkwink:

Let me ask you a question, do you think as a woman, you can kick my ass?

I'm 6'1" 240lbs.

Just want to make sure, I think you are RBSD material.

I would be careful dude, she could be trained in Ninjutsu ...

GatorB 06-06-2008 04:41 PM

I've never heard of some nut going into a psot office and killing 16 people with a knife. If the columbine kids on had knifes would they have killed and hurt as many peole? Nope. guns are in fact deadlier. Why do we use guns in war today instead of swords? Hmmmmmm.

as far as the UK the obvious solution is for them to have guns. I'm 100% positive the murder rate would drop if everyone was armed with a gun</sarcasm>

scottybuzz 06-06-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14289640)
I've never heard of some nut going into a psot office and killing 16 people with a knife. If the columbine kids on had knifes would they have killed and hurt as many peole? Nope. guns are in fact deadlier. Why do we use guns in war today instead of swords? Hmmmmmm.

as far as the UK the obvious solution is for them to have guns. I'm 100&#37; positive the murder rate would drop if everyone was armed with a gun</sarcasm>

oh boy 5 4 3 2 1 until some gun loving nut comes in and argues against pure logic.

Anthony 06-06-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14289461)


I have no idea, off the forum. It depends on many factors - are you in shape ? You've mentioned years of martial training, so I'd guess you're trained, would you know we're fighting ?

Heads on, in a ring like, probably not. Otherwise, you never know, do you.

I'm in okay shape, not training for the past 3 weeks due to a shoulder injury. Aikido, I found out through real world application only works against a fully compliant training partner, and nothing else, so that's useless. Since you have no idea whether someone has gun training, or any training at all, it really doesn't matter if I'm trained or not.

The scenario I'm speaking about is every day, someone is in your face and violence is about to erupt. Do you think you can beat a 6'1" 240lbs male who is about to commit violence on you?

Blindsinding someone doesn't take much skill or strengh.

This isn't a threat, I am interested in your mindset regarding this situation a physical attack by a larger stronger male, as I find your mindset with guns and knives rather warped and against any training or actual experience I have.

fluffygrrl 06-07-2008 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14290229)
This isn't a threat, I am interested in your mindset regarding this situation a physical attack by a larger stronger male, as I find your mindset with guns and knives rather warped and against any training or actual experience I have.

It doesn't sound like a threat, and I think the difference is simply due to gender.

Odds are, you wouldn't be outright trying to commit violence on me. Practically if I needed to kick your ass, it would be something in the wee hours of the morning, you'd be at least somewhat intoxicated and figure you're not assaulting but seducing or whatever. In which case I'd kick your ass hands down.

Otherwise, it would be something like a 7/11 robbery, in which case I see you reach just as soon as you reach, but even by the time you're pointing, you wouldn't be pointing at me, but at some other 6'2, 250+ lbs dude.

In short, obviously our practical experience'd be quite fucking divergent.

dynastoned 06-07-2008 05:51 AM

you guys bitch too much.

knives are cool!

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/k...s/P6070006.jpg

:thumbsup

TheDoc 06-07-2008 06:56 AM

fluffygrrl - no reason to act all tough. The average man could easily take you down, even if you had a weapon.... unless it was a gun.



I carry a knife pretty much at all times, 4" blade. I guess in the right situation I would use it as a weapon, but normally it's just my utility knife. I have a small collection from pocket, hunting, practical use blades, some fun ones, and my good'ol USMC Ka-bar.

A knife is just part of me, as a young kid I owned several. It was used pretty much every day. I had my own fillet and skinning knives, boot knife, it wasn't something thought of as a weapon, we had them in school, it was just part of being able to get along in life in the country.

I can throw knives, it has been awhile. But I have a pretty deadly dart game and my knife game is just about on par after a little practice. Even though, this Asian chef I worked for when I was younger, could smoke me - she, never missed.


Any weapon is equally dangerous if the intent is to use it for killing. The difference is, a knife in the hands of a trained person is still less deadly than an idiot holding a loaded gun.

If you can't reach up and touch the gun, you can't disarm the person. You can dodge and run like hell though - which is what a smart person does if a gun is pulled.

fluffygrrl 06-07-2008 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14290998)
fluffygrrl - no reason to act all tough. The average man could easily take you down, even if you had a weapon.... unless it was a gun.



I carry a knife pretty much at all times, 4" blade. I guess in the right situation I would use it as a weapon, but normally it's just my utility knife. I have a small collection from pocket, hunting, practical use blades, some fun ones, and my good'ol USMC Ka-bar.

A knife is just part of me, as a young kid I owned several. It was used pretty much every day. I had my own fillet and skinning knives, boot knife, it wasn't something thought of as a weapon, we had them in school, it was just part of being able to get along in life in the country.

I can throw knives, it has been awhile. But I have a pretty deadly dart game and my knife game is just about on par after a little practice. Even though, this Asian chef I worked for when I was younger, could smoke me - she, never missed.


Any weapon is equally dangerous if the intent is to use it for killing. The difference is, a knife in the hands of a trained person is still less deadly than an idiot holding a loaded gun.

If you can't reach up and touch the gun, you can't disarm the person. You can dodge and run like hell though - which is what a smart person does if a gun is pulled.

Thanks for the captivating page of your personal history. It is very relevant, has touched me deeply and will be with me forever.

TheDoc 06-07-2008 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14291268)
Thanks for the captivating page of your personal history. It is very relevant, has touched me deeply and will be with me forever.

Knowing that you are a guy that puts on this act, and that I may have touched you deeply.... besides making you odd, it's a great example of why people should be allowed to have a knife.

fluffygrrl 06-07-2008 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14291332)
Knowing that you are a guy that puts on this act, and that I may have touched you deeply.... besides making you odd, it's a great example of why people should be allowed to have a knife.

O, wait, you're the yappo lappodog, arentcha, I remember now.

Awww.

Anthony 06-08-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14290835)
It doesn't sound like a threat, and I think the difference is simply due to gender.

Odds are, you wouldn't be outright trying to commit violence on me. Practically if I needed to kick your ass, it would be something in the wee hours of the morning, you'd be at least somewhat intoxicated and figure you're not assaulting but seducing or whatever. In which case I'd kick your ass hands down.

Otherwise, it would be something like a 7/11 robbery, in which case I see you reach just as soon as you reach, but even by the time you're pointing, you wouldn't be pointing at me, but at some other 6'2, 250+ lbs dude.

In short, obviously our practical experience'd be quite fucking divergent.

What you fail to grasp is that you are assuming, in this whole thread nonetheless.

You have no idea of my training, my experience, or history, yet you think you have an answer to it all.

If you hold this mindset to any confrontation, chances are you are going to lose.

Anthony 06-08-2008 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14291665)
O, wait, you're the yappo lappodog, arentcha, I remember now.

Awww.

In this conversation he holds more credence than you as a decorated United States Marine who has been injured in service to his country.

I'm sure there are many others who like me who take his knowledge about the subject of firearms and knives as superior to your experience to them.

TheDoc 06-08-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fluffygrrl (Post 14291665)
O, wait, you're the yappo lappodog, arentcha, I remember now.

Awww.

What does Yappo have to do with this topic? You get put in a corner and pull this out?

I love it though, lappodog, well I guess that's what people become when other companies pay them for advertisements, consulting and I promote them. Hell, I'm an expensive ass lappodog - must be the pure bread type.

Anyway, what does this have to do with you being a guy and acting like a girl?

bDok 06-08-2008 03:17 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fbHH5xZcVvQ

:)

fluffygrrl 06-08-2008 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 14294119)
In this conversation he holds more credence than you as a decorated United States Marine who has been injured in service to his country.

I'm sure there are many others who like me who take his knowledge about the subject of firearms and knives as superior to your experience to them.

I'm not exactly sure how you came to the idea you're some sort of arbiter on the matter.

You, and many others, can take whoever whichever way you please.


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