Yes, the future customers for porn. Who already know they can get it for free all over the web from the same places they download music and now even tube sites...

And also all the anti social dudes that spend their free time in front of the PC, those who can't get laid and would probably hardly even explored their own sexuality if there was no porn, those their sexual life consists of cleaned up pair of glasses, sticky keyboard and a box of kleenex.

Thanks god we give out all that we produce for free, otherwise they would have to pay for it.

Tube sites mostly affected general hardcore,babes and teen market where people doesnt need much for quick jerk off.They dont need hq content and all other similar things.

Those people who are satified with tube content most likely wouldnt buy a membership anyway. I havent notice any loss in sales since the whole tube thing. If you do youre doing something wrong.

You have to realize that by fat the most people on the internet are freeloaders. Always have been. So when youre talking to your wanking buddies most of them do not buy memberships and actually most people who do wont admit it. So youre talking to someone who wouldnt buy anyway and asking if he would ever buy one. And then you come here crying how all your friends surf tube sites. It has nothing to do with statistics.
Tube sites dont ruin this industry and the impact is very small. 99% of you are just constantly looking for excuses why your sales are shit. Always trying to find something new. Once again i dont suffer because of tube sites but you are? Hard to belief.

I agree 100%...well, except for the disrespectful language to other webmasters.
You have to remember that a lot of people are freeloaders in every aspect of their lives. While others...enjoy privilege and will always pay for it.
For instance: I COULD drive a cheap used car, but I CHOOSE to drive a bad ass car. They both do the same thing. But I don't roll that way.
I COULD fly coach. But I CHOOSE to fly first class.
You see what I'm saying? Yeah, some people do have money and still go ghetto all the way. Money doesn't always equal class or intelligence.
But most people that have the money to spend do buy a membership. Why wouldn't they? Who wants to be a peasant? LOL!

Too bad, that was the best part.

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Right, and those who are under 18 are the porn consumers of tomorrow.

And we are doing a great job of teaching them to pay for nothing.

The problem with those tube sites is not having a full length vid of X girl. it's having 12 of them of the same girl. ( partially at least. )

I have a friend who is a long time porn surfer who said exactly the same thing.

Who is "we"? I'm not teaching them that shit. Are you? No? Okay then it isn't "WE" It's crooks and criminals and the companies that empower them by funding them through pre-paid spots. And my experience still says that no matter what the mysterious "WE" "teaches" them...they are still eventually going to weed themselves out between winners and losers. The losers in life will always be freeloading. The surfers of tomorrow who are winners in life and find success will do exactly what successful people have always done. They will search for the things they want in life and buy them. I think the key is going to be what is said over and over and over. Make sure you are either providing a product that is desirable to them (a total paysite, such as the solo girl sites with interaction and member loyalty) or make sure you are promoting those kind of sites. If you're still pushing your traffic or basing your business on generic pay sites...you might be making an expensive mistake, because that shit is easily replicated on tubes and torrents.

ok maybe it the torrent sites you go, maybe it the content
but i can get my favorite tv show downloaded from tvtorrents within 15-30 minutes.

i have gotten speeds as fast as 1mb /s which means i get my favorite show in less than minute for really popular shows.

How dare you post a picture of one of my biggest crushes with a chocolate dirty sanchez.. :disgust:disgust

As per this thread there is only one way to stop the tube torrent issue. Protect your content. Yes you cannot STOP them, but you can make it too much of a pain in the ass for them. Only way to get our exclusive videos is through screen capture and they will lose quality and have to have a computer tied up the entire time to capture the video. So to rip the site isn't able to be done via any script that auto downloads all links on a page. Sawy chawy. Get AWAY from allowing your members to download and KEEP your content. Pics are not as big of a deal, but videos nope. They are RENTING your site, not buying it. Have more content that they want. Crap quality video can be found on any tube or torrent site. Scale up your quality. If they are on 56k they are not likely to be a customer of ours, or someone that we target. Im not downgrading our quality to make Joe Cheapo happy. If you cant afford broadband you are unlikely to A. have a connection that can properly stream a video, and B. have a computer that will properly play back a 720p HD video.

So A. Protect your content

B. Keep your quality higher than some tube site.

C. Market to your customer that will appreciate quality. :2 cents:

Which is how much say 90 pct. ?

Well, there is plenty of sites I would like to join with cool tours and killing models, but I'll rather get the thing for free, cause it's there.

It's not like there is a cheaper substitute - it's a free substitute, cause noone had to pay for it to produce it, and it's too much of a temptation to most, noone is watching over your shoulder, noone gives a damn about how much you spent on porn.

It's not like feeling like a paesant, it's like beeing the adventurous explorer of all that porn that you never had a chance to check and that's now all available just for you.

I am sure a couple url's is enough to make a dedicated dude go for months.

Instead of having to pay, having to log in, search and play or download your desired videos you put in the search, you find it, you go - the impulse is satisfied, the same thing at the same time and it has never been easier, plus it's free.

It's the ideal masturbation tool, an ingenious invention of tube sites with stolen full length content that totally negate the business model of tease and pay and 100 000 guys with a broadband all over the world are shooting their load every single minute, but the true porn veterans are not afraid because they have the "quality".

Hmmm....that sounds logical. But the weird thing is I just keep making more and more money every year. There has to be a reason. I look at it like this...10 years ago the internet had a certain group of people: That was the people who could AFFORD a computer. It was expensive!
Now, everybody is online. Computers are a couple of hundred bucks, and hell you can go to public places and use a computer so you don't even have to buy one.
Do I expect a guy who makes minimum wage and can barely afford to put overpriced gasoline in his car to buy a premium membership and act like a VIP in life in every way?
No.
But that group or class of people who can afford it still do.
People make the mistake of saying "Oh 90 + % of people are surfing the tubes"
Well, look around you in real life. 90 + % of people don't have much expendable income.
Now that all those people who don't have money are online it's gonna skew the statistics.
But that 10% that used to be 100% of the surfers are still online. They just have nicer computers and a faster internet connection. lol
And they are spending MORE money than ever before on internet porn. That's how people are making millions and millions of dollars online right now. It isn't a mistake, and it isn't a myth. It's very real.
The tubes and torrents are a threat. But a pretty damn small one to me.
Now, if I were an affiliate still pushing all my traffic to some of the generic sites? I would definitely be seeing my income take a free fall.
I think that is what causes all the threads on here about the "industry" (whatever the fuck that means) "dying".
No, the "industry" is just fine. It's just that some business models are dying.
I saw it happen in 1999 when amateur sites replaced teen sites as the big seller. Suddenly all those sites that were making money hand over fist with cute little teen girls wearing white panties found that sites with grainy photography of "real" people were killing them.
And every affiliate who had all their eggs in the teen niche category were screaming that the "industry" was dying.
Hell, a lot of very big companies that many of you are too new to even remember....went bankrupt.
It happened again when the "reality" sites shooting their own content exploded onto the scene a couple of years later.
I was making 15 grand a month just running a gallery a week for MaxCash.
All of a sudden that was dead.
Did I scream that the "industry" was dying?
NO.
But a lot of people did and blamed my tgp's for the problem! LOL
What did I do?
I changed my links over to BangBus and Milf Hunter and started making even more money.
Same shit here. The reality sites have pretty much played out.
The surfer now realizes that it's the same 20 porn girls in Los Angeles shooting for every company. And there is no way to interact with those girls. You can't email 'em, you can't talk to them on a forum. You can't talk to them on live webcam.
So why be a member if all you can do is watch videos? You CAN do that for free on a tube site.
But you can't do all the interaction or develop brand loyalty on a tube site the way you can with a solo girl site.
I switched my shit over and now I'm making even more money.
And when the time comes that something else comes along to replace solo girl sites as the big money maker I'll switch over to that too.
The "industry" is doing just fine. My bank account says so.

Join a torrent site with ratio-rules and you will download most of the torrents at full speed. :P

You would be suprised how many 18 to 35 year olds play those kind of games.

obviously you dont play many online games? everyone i play with is older then 18 and certainly has a credit card, as most servers and games cost money to play. even WOW costs money.

If am not wrong you mostly do amateur and voyeur niche and those niches are not so affected as others.

Are you in denial or something?

This is a major business problem for many:-(.

Here to me is the most telling part of this whole discussion. When I think back about my buddy that this thread is about he and I used to talk about paysites. He would tell me how he thought Captian Stabbin was wild or he liked some other site or things like that. Now he talks about tube sites. For the first time since I have been in this business there are porn sites that the public is talking about and knows as houshold type names. Sadly they aren't paysites.

We brought this on ourselves. This industries reaction to things is to give more away. If sales lag, give more away. If traffic dips, give more away. We started with circle jerk sites then made link sites which became TGPs then MGPs then thumb preview TGPs and MPGs and now tube sites. We race to see who can give more away than the next guy.

When I started in this biz we were like the people that give out samples at the grocery store. They give you a bite in hopes that you will buy the full product. We went from giving a bite to giving a small lunch to giving a full dinner to giving a full dinner with drinks and dessert and now we are giving away a full free buffet with a pitcher of ice water in hopes of selling that person a glass of Pepsi.

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