It's a loss for AEBN, losing the new traffic coming in, yet still paying for someone who is now linking to hotmovies or another vod site.

VOD companies can't pay out 50%. Although they can, and do, pay more then 20%. AEBN has always had a default lower then anyone else. They've been around the longest and don't need new affiliates. Any large affiliate with AEBN gets more than 20%.

The sudios get paid a percentage too.

spin spin spin.

a few things: from http://www.moviedollars.com/terms.php:

3.2 The COMPANY shall at all times have the right, in its sole and exclusive discretion, to terminate the PROGRAM and any and all PROGRAM benefits relating to the AFFILIATES participation in the PROGRAM at any time and may do so with or without prior notice or cause.

4.1 The AFFILIATE will receive 25% (twenty-five percent) of future income derived from the referred customers' purchase of additional time or downloads on the PROGRAM's websites, subject to the following limitation:

(a.) If at any time after an account is created, the referred customers account remains inactive, meaning the referred customer does not purchase additional time or downloads and/or log in to use free or purchased time, for 6 (six months, the customers account will no longer be linked to the AFFILIATE's account and the AFFILIATE will not be entitled to any future income derived from the CUSTOMER.

4.7 The COMPANY reserves the right, in its sole and exclusive discretion, at any time to alter or modify the PROGRAM including the method and terms of all payment benefits to the AFFILIATE. Upon notice of any change in benefits under the PROGRAM the AFFILIATE shall have the right to withdraw or terminate participation in the PROGRAM.

:disgust :disgust


holy smoke.. thats bullshit! js_nice_guy.. care to sell us that one?

There's nothing in here that bothers me. We do have those rights.

The difference between this an AEBN is that they are stating that in their TOS so I can know this BEFORE signing up as an affiliate so if I don't agree with this part I'm not wasting my time joining.

What is there to sell.

You refer someone. They don't use the site, they don't purchase time, they don't login, they don't visit at all. The account is deleted after 6 months.

webmaster X refers the same person in 8 months and they buy.
Webmaster X deserves the money, you do not.

really? whats the difference between whether its the affiliate that remains inactive... or the client refered by the affiliate? LIFETIME IS LIFETIME pal..... You are just as worst it seems

haha... what if nobody refers him? ANd btw.. the client that bought a membership 8 months ago know the site full well and what it has... he doesnt need someone to refer him to buy again... at best he"ll just be reminded about the site... First referer should get the credit

we never delete affiliates for being inactive.
We don't stop sending checks when no traffic comes in.

I believe the webmaster that sends the sales should get paid.

What's to stop you from grabbing an email list, signing up every one of those emails under your affiliate account, without a single one ever visiting. Then collecting money when someone legitimately sends them as a surfer?

Yeah.. lol.. you do that ofcourse to protect us against those type of scammers.. really nice of you!!

What if after, someone send those surfers legitimately but within the 6 months? Guess you cant protect us against that :( Give me a break...

ANd btw... you dont just cancel email members... but paying members too!

and btw... how about just having the surfer click on a confirm link you send him to his inbox? lol problem solved no?

That's pretty much what this whole mess is saying to me.

But if AEBN only knew how many of us webmasters there are who have never yet promoted them and now never will, they would shit their pants.

There is some definitely short-term thinking going on within that company.

It might have been when I was working and I also missed the Summer Slowdown threads too because I was working...

I think your policy sounds reasonable enough to me. It is a far cry different then what AEBN is doing.

Where does it say the referred account will be deleted?

(a.) If at any time after an account is created, the referred customers account remains inactive, meaning the referred customer does not purchase additional time or downloads and/or log in to use free or purchased time, for 6 (six months, the customers account will no longer be linked to the AFFILIATE's account and the AFFILIATE will not be entitled to any future income derived from the CUSTOMER

To me this sounds like after 6 months of inactivety you lose the referral, and if the user decides to spend money after the 6 month period you get nothing and the company gets 100% of it.

The company doesn't get 100% of it. Whoever refers the customer back gets credit for it.

That's how I read it as well.

FYI - take a look at any terms of service. There is nothing out of the ordinary there.

Look at DK's terms of service (since he so kindly posted mine):

7.2 Company has the right to terminate any and all benefits under the Program relating to Your participation in the Program at any time, for any reason, or for no reason at all, in its sole and absolute discretion and may do so with or without prior notice or cause.

aebn - ditched
moviedollars - joined

:-)

I did not see too many of those this time around. Could be they were attributing it to tube sites this year.

They have their own traffic and so many businesses outside of the internet that I'm guessing if every affiliate dropped their links it would be a small drop in the bucket.

That would also explain why they've been completely silent in this thread when normally at least one of their reps comes running in to give contact phone numbers, ask for account info, etc.

I think it would hurt them if everyone pulled their links. Which is why they are doing this.

They are counting on people being scared into keeping links up.

This business revolves on money, not on what is right. AEBN or any other company can do any fucked up thing they want as long as they are making money for people.

Many studios hate what AEBN is doing on many fronts. But their movies are still up on AEBN's sites. They still do business with them and still like getting the checks.

Vivid is still suing pornotube, aren't they?
http://theater.aebn.net/dispatcher/s...heaterId=13992

response
 

Alright everyone is jumping to conclusions and looking for a public response from AEBN. Here is the deal.

After 9 years in the business we had to clean some house. We have marked some accounts as "Do Not Pay". It is very likely that the accounts effected won't belong to hardly anyone reading this post. If you are currently or have in the past sent traffic to AEBN your account is probably fine.

The reason the accounts have been set not to pay is as follows.

- We are getting the checks back in the mail
- We have affiliates from nine years ago that we don't have any contact information for at all
- We have not received a W-9 after repeat attempts
- The affiliate has passed away, was abducted by a UFO or otherwise just vanished and we can't find 'em.
- Affiliate is attempting affiliate fraud

All members will still be associated with your account. We are not taking members or deleting affiliate accounts, We are simply putting them in a do not pay status until whatever various issue can be resolved. We are telling people they won't be paid and why. However, every case is unique and should be handled with your rep. We're not going to deal with each case on this or any other board.

Notice there are lots of people looking for answers in this thread this week but not alot of people saying they have been effected. Our phones are not blowing up with people calling and asking questions. What we are doing will not likely effect you.

We haven't changed our Terms Of Service. We are just exercising them. You have nothing to worry about as long as you're not dead, tried to fraud us, have given us a W-9, etc.

If you have moved and have not let us know of any change of address info, we are not going to hire a private investigator to track you down or put your face on a milk carton. Be a responsible business person.

Hope this settles the hysteria. Our overzealous competitors can put their cake and party hats down now :winkwink:

I appologize for any confusion one of our new reps might have caused.

1.800.628.0241
M-F 8:30-5:30 EST

thanks for this.

Appreciate the answers finally. Just a tip. If you don't want "hysteria" to be started don't take 54 hours to answer a question.

Seems to me the person that started this thread does not fall into any of your "Do not Pay" categories. Or is there something he is not telling us?

Also, why are reps telling affiliates, if they stop promoting they would lose their pay? This was verified by a rep, by at least two different people, not guessed or gotten from this thread or any other thread on any other board. If you take your links down, you've terminated the business relationship.

I am not trying to keep this thread going, but there seems to be a conflict between what your saying and what the reps are saying.

Am I missing something?

1. i did get checks in the mail
2. i have contact info correct
3. we dont have w-9 for canada
4. im not dead (yet)
5. i dont proceed in any fraud

charlotte contacted me, and let me know i wont be paid since i dont send traffic anymore, and i wont be getting credit for members i did send when i did send traffic, because i don't have any websites anymore.

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Why the thumbs up? Seems like a sidestep considering the info presented by a few in this thread.

I'm guessing you jumped in here off of a quick description in an ICQ message or email and didn't bother reading the actual beef on page 1?

fris, Charlotte is a week old with us and I appoligize. Call Ana [email protected] - 800.628.0241 x227 (Charlotte's manager) & she'll work it out. I don't know your account situation but I'm sure it can be resolved.

I'm not at the office right now but I have called into my sales manager to look into what you are saying. We will look into that person's situation as each case is unique and shouldn't be discussed publicly. We have been busy testing our new AEBN site so maybe there is some confusion at the office. It's possible his account was put into 'do not pay' status as a mistake but I'm now speculating since I don't even know who he/she is at the moment.

You are right... If an affiliate takes their links down, they have in fact terminated their business relationship with us. This does not mean we are taking their members though. We will however try our hardest to talk you out of leaving or at least make it a transition period because it can cause some problems.

For example if you are promoting a custom theater that is branded to your site and you suddenly take your theater down, you have abandoned all of your members who might have unused minutes in their account. This causes us charge backs because now the customer can't find your 'branded' theater. Sometimes we can mail them and let them know they can watch/use the minutes elsewhere but that is assuming we catch it before the customer has already started the charge back process. That is also assuming we have a valid e-mail address for them.

In this case, if we see tons of charge backs coming in due to you not letting your members know they can watch at one of our other sites, we may in a rare case have to hold a check to cover those expenses until they have subsided. No program that I know of eats charged backs affiliate sales.

This isn't the case however if an affiliate is promoting one of our sites.

Again... if you guys will contact US... I'm sure we can work any situation out. We do not own this board and can't be held responsible if we do not get back to you in a timely manner if you post the question here. We only know about threads here when a friend let's us know.

Thanks and I appologize again for any weirdness that happened I wasn't aware of.

Alot of it from blackhat seo tactics using other brands as target victim. :2 cents:

That seems to be where the problem is. The reps make it sound like if you stop promoting you loss all past recurring income, period. I think that point needs to explained better or made more clear. Clear to ever one reading this thread as well.

Your explanation of the why members would charge back makes more sense. Reps are not explaining that it has to do with custom theaters and branding from your site. Not saying they are being misleading, just sounded more like a lame excuse at the time. Didn't make sense, "like" it was a cop-out.

You can't blame people for getting up in arms. Fris starting the thread and some folks getting pretty much the same story from reps, least seemed thats the why they were putting it. When some one tells you that if you take down links you terminate the business relationship, what would most people think?

imo repps are here to generate income from affiliates. I think the salary they have might depend on this. Score affiliate income and get a bonus. Nothing wrong with that, but sometimes repps have no respect for webmaster and make these kind of pressure statements towards webmasters. It is a shame i don't see owners of huge webmaster concepts become a repp. They could use their own concept to help their new boss.

Take for example owners of adult free host services. Those people would become awesome repps, cause they have actually something to offer to programs, or owners of a adult blog host service. If those owners become repp, they have 300-500 webmasters to talk to, and say: Become an affiliate of this sponsor, or i delete your account on my free host service or blog host service.

The most repps i see are woman with nice legs or so called ex professional webmasters who left another program and are in a gray circle trapped of being a repp. I have spoken not to 1 repp in my whole life who has actually something more to offer then the socalled GET RICH WITH ME slogan.

Anyway, i see AEBN taking responsibility for their actions, worth a compliment. I hope Fris gets his case solved. I am more then happy Dirty F has no reason to post here, i know he browsed here and was searching for a opening to spill his vomit.


I actually see a new generation of affiliate repps born soon ;)

thanks for the feedback. we'll make sure they are set straight and clairify from now on... we do have some new folks :Oh crap

You know, Harry, we have only met once, but it is a pleasure to know you.

Brilliant post.

(Especially the highlighted portion)


So AEBN affiliates who quit or take down links etc won't forfiet their rebills, but may under certain conditions have their payments withheld? That clears it up for me then.

It's a shame it took so long to get an official responce in here though.

see my first post for explanation