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stickyfingerz 06-27-2008 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14385535)
It's not really the legal ones I'm worried about........

It's interesting to talk to men, especially in the south, in their 60's and 70's who grew up with guns so much that they'd carry them in their cars/trucks/bikes to school so they could go target practice/hunting after school. But even though most of the boys had a gun AT SCHOOL, there didn't seem to be any school shootings back then.

It's the mentality of society that's causing the problems, not legal gun ownership.

Yup dead on there. Having a gun rack in your truck with 3 or 4 rifles in the parking lot of the school never brought the swat team, and grief counselors when I was in school. :2 cents:

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14385535)

It's the mentality of society that's causing the problems, not legal gun ownership.

So lets get everyone a gun so its more safe :1orglaugh

Riiiight?

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:29 PM

I mean you need to defend your family from all the lunatics with guns who are allowed to have them right?

:1orglaugh

theking 06-27-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14385535)
It's not really the legal ones I'm worried about........

It's interesting to talk to men, especially in the south, in their 60's and 70's who grew up with guns so much that they'd carry them in their cars/trucks/bikes to school so they could go target practice/hunting after school. But even though most of the boys had a gun AT SCHOOL, there didn't seem to be any school shootings back then.

It's the mentality of society that's causing the problems, not legal gun ownership.

You are correct and correct.

CDSmith 06-27-2008 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14385434)
I am not familiar with the gun laws in Canada. How about educating me CD.

All gun owners in Canada must now be registered with the government.

http://www.canadagunlaws.com/

http://www.canadagunlaws.com/canadian-handgun-laws/

The laws are stricter here than in the US.

D Ghost 06-27-2008 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385551)
I mean you need to defend your family from all the lunatics with guns who are allowed to have them right?

:1orglaugh

why don't you do some research idiot. instead of pretending that you have the slightest clue what you are talking about. :thumbsup

go ahead and find my the statistics where it says less people having guns reduces crime.

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theking (Post 14385552)
You are correct and correct.

And you are a dumb drunk redneck white trash faggot in its purest form :1orglaugh

I bet this is family of yours

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_re...070709_ssh.jpg

Brother?

http://nicedeb.files.wordpress.com/2...45-redneck.jpg

:1orglaugh

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 14385562)
why don't you do some research idiot. instead of pretending that you have the slightest clue what you are talking about. :thumbsup

go ahead and find my the statistics where it says less people having guns reduces crime.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Blah blah Im an american idiot...love guns blah blah :1orglaugh

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 14385562)
why don't you do some research idiot. instead of pretending that you have the slightest clue what you are talking about. :thumbsup

go ahead and find my the statistics where it says less people having guns reduces crime.

http://www.pinkynut.com/wp-content/u.../04/retard.jpg

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:37 PM

THIS THREAD IS FUNNY!!! :1orglaugh

Peaches 06-27-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385547)
So lets get everyone a gun so its more safe :1orglaugh

Riiiight?

Do a search on Kennesaw Georgia gun law

Here's a short cut for ya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

D Ghost 06-27-2008 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385567)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Blah blah Im an american idiot...love guns blah blah :1orglaugh


Looks like you are now at the point of just being a complete douche bag. Since you seem incapable of carrying on an intelligent conversation, and more like just drooling bullshit our of that orifice you call your mouth, but might actually be your asshole.

D Ghost 06-27-2008 02:43 PM

Kennesaw, Georgia

-- Gun law --
On May 1, 1982 the city passed an ordinance [Sec 34-1a] requiring every head of household to maintain a firearm together with ammunition. It was passed partly in response to a 1981 handgun ban in Morton Grove, Illinois. Kennesaw's law was amended in 1983 to exempt those who conscientiously object to owning a firearm, convicted felons, those who cannot afford a firearm, and those with a mental or physical disability that would prevent them from owning a firearm. It mentions no penalty for its violation. According to the Kennesaw Historical Society, no one has ever been charged under the ordinance.

-- Reports of resulting burglary rate statistics --
Gary Kleck, a criminologist and gun-control critic attributes a drop of 89% in the residential burglary rate to the law.[3] Kennesaw is often cited by advocates of gun ownership as evidence that gun ownership deters crime. (see, for instance, this 2004 sheet of talking points from the Gun Owners Foundation). Others have challenged this conclusion, however, citing data showing that the number of burglaries in the 10 years spanning the passing of the ordinance remains roughly the same, while burglaries dropped in the city of Morton Grove following their gun ban.[4]. These statistics are in turn refuted because the report in question lacked important considerations such as porpotions for the population and growth over time.

Current statistics indicate that Kennesaw's crime rate is lower compared to surrounding cities like Marietta, Smyrna, Alpharetta, or Atlanta.

3. ^ Gary Kleck (1991). Point blank: guns and violence in America. New York: A. de Gruyter. ISBN 0-202-30419-1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennesaw,_Georgia

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:44 PM

Deejne, can you please make up one more argument like the one you had earlier. If Americans didnt have guns the military would take over the streets right now :1orglaugh

I mean youre seriously a very funny guy. That was honestly a good laugh. I bet you can come up with something like that again...please.

Thanks :1orglaugh

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:47 PM

deejne, i agree man, everyone in America should have a gun because its way more safer than only criminals having a gun and ofcourse to keep the military from the street :1orglaugh


Omg....:1orglaugh

Once again reading this thread i go from being totally amazed to laughing to being amazed again.

Great read though. Instead of watching a good movie on tv im just sitting here waiting for Deejne's next argument. Way more amusing.

D Ghost 06-27-2008 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385619)
Deejne, can you please make up one more argument like the one you had earlier. If Americans didnt have guns the military would take over the streets right now :1orglaugh

Thanks :1orglaugh

Never said that. OR any idea similar. I said "So Dirty F, you are all about having the police and military in the streets with guns. And no civilians able to have guns?"

Never said "If Americans didnt have guns the military would take over the streets"

But I could see that translating into something completely different in your handicapped mind. So I guess it's mean to fuck with a retarded person. sorry man

CarlosTheGaucho 06-27-2008 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14385506)
It is illegal to bring a gun into a bar in most states. So it doesn't really matter if guns are banned or not.

Well I don't remember anyone searching me.

My point is that, with a certain level of gun control (you have to pass a psycho test and have something as a "drivers licence" for a gun, every gun is registered with your name including ballistic examination) you are also not allowed to carry it with you loaded on public (unless you need it for your job). So even if you want to do target shooting you have to load it at the place and unload it on your way back.

Why? This is supposed to prevent one thing - blackout, we all were there, we all were close to killing someone.

Shootings? Yes there are shootings, but in 99 pct. of cases it's criminals (mainly Albanians, Kavkhaz guys) solving their own thing, you'll never ever get in touch with a gun or you never hear shooting because these things happen discretly. Obviously the chance that there is a contract on you and someone is going to kill you or is just goint to shoot at you for fun is not that big either.

If you wan't an illegal gun you need it for a job, and the job is not to shoot at some average Joe just for fun.

There is practically NO shooting happening with legally registered guns - mainly people DON'T feel the need to have a gun - and therefore the possesion is very low - which is apparently the main reason.

It's not like someone goes lunatic, grabs a shotgun and goes for it, I don't remember one single case like this ever happening.

Also, the myth that you'll be able to defend yourself - it's not that simple to pull the trigger facing a human if you're not trained and 90 pct. of people would even not be capable of that. And if ther will be a granny pointing at me with a shotgun and I'll have a gun? Hell I'll wipe her out in stress!

If you are a witness of shooting - get down, noone is shooting at you and let the police solve it.

I am a big fan of firearms myself, I had a chance to shoot with all kinds of firearms including the M61 machine gun and I love target shooting - but I am glad I don't carry them, because there were cases already, when I would use them and I could have easily killed or crippled someone.

D Ghost 06-27-2008 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385635)
because its way more safer

?

Dude, you can't even talk. "way more safer"? are you alright man? did you pass second grade? :1orglaugh

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 14385638)
Never said that. OR any idea similar. I said "So Dirty F, you are all about having the police and military in the streets with guns. And no civilians able to have guns?"

Never said "If Americans didnt have guns the military would take over the streets"

But I could see that translating into something completely different in your handicapped mind. So I guess it's mean to fuck with a retarded person. sorry man

Deejne, every person in America should have a gun man. That would make things way more safer than only the police and criminals having guns.

Right?

Right?

Come on say it. Just say right you are correct :1orglaugh I want to see you type it. Come on.

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 14385656)
?

Dude, you can't even talk. "way more safer"? are you alright man? did you pass second grade? :1orglaugh

Dumb American fuck, how many languages do you speak?

Edit: Ok we reached the point where you're gonna attack a Dutch person on spelling a word in english wrong because youre out of idiotic gun arguments and i totally owned your ass.

Goodbye lunatic.

*goes watching a movie*

Dirty F 06-27-2008 02:54 PM

One more :1orglaugh for Deejne and this thread in general.

CDSmith 06-27-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385421)
Right, because its safer to live in country where everyone has a gun instead of just criminals right :1orglaugh

Your words, not mine. Never have I said that "everyone" should have a gun.

Maybe you're the retard? :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385421)
Congrats for being a retard :thumbsup

Sorry but to me, willingly rendering yourself defenseless and at the mercy and whim of any and every criminal that cares to happen along is what's retarded here.

By the way, I noticed that you and few other tools took the opportunity the other day to take pot-shots at me in some lame thread, saying I "argue the same things over and over endlessly"... but the irony in that accusation Franck is that YOU are the one who has posted and cocked off like an idiot (like you are doing in this thread) on virtually every single gun discussion thread I can recall. Not only that but you've posted your same juvenile taunts and drivel in nearly every single thread discussing religion.

Over and over and over and over, your line of mouthy BS is the same year after year.

I just found it kind of funny that in light of all that there you were pointing that finger at me.

Your hypocrisy is stunning. :1orglaugh

pocketkangaroo 06-27-2008 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14385659)
Deejne, every person in America should have a gun man. That would make things way more safer than only the police and criminals having guns.

Right?

Right?

Come on say it. Just say right you are correct :1orglaugh I want to see you type it. Come on.

It wouldn't make anyone safer. The issue isn't about who has the guns and who doesn't, it's about society in general.

Take for instance the city I live in, Chicago. There are extremely strict gun laws in Chicago. You more or less can't own a gun unless you're in law enforcement. Yet Chicago has a shitload of shootings in parts of the city.

Then take a small town in Montana. Every single person in that small town owns a gun of sort, many times numerous ones. Yet they may have never had a single murder in the history of their town.

While some people are wording it dumb, there really isn't a correlation of crimes increasing as guns become more readily available. It's a society issue. Those who want to kill someone will find a gun somehow. Banning them does little. Unless you plan to make it a nationwide ban, stop gun makers from making weapons, and institute extremely harsh sentences for possessing them, nothing will change.

I live in a wealthy part of Chicago. We have no major crimes. No murders, no shootings. I go 20 miles South and there will be 20 shootings every weekend. We have the same laws, same punishments. The issue is about what our society is like and the effects of poverty, not the particular gun law.

baddog 06-27-2008 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14385535)
It's not really the legal ones I'm worried about........

Pretty much my point. You are one I would have thought would have understood.

baddog 06-27-2008 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deejne (Post 14385533)
The military already is running drills in our streets and policing civilians (which is illegal).

Really? Where is that happening?

stickyfingerz 06-27-2008 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14385800)
It wouldn't make anyone safer. The issue isn't about who has the guns and who doesn't, it's about society in general.

Take for instance the city I live in, Chicago. There are extremely strict gun laws in Chicago. You more or less can't own a gun unless you're in law enforcement. Yet Chicago has a shitload of shootings in parts of the city.

Then take a small town in Montana. Every single person in that small town owns a gun of sort, many times numerous ones. Yet they may have never had a single murder in the history of their town.

While some people are wording it dumb, there really isn't a correlation of crimes increasing as guns become more readily available. It's a society issue. Those who want to kill someone will find a gun somehow. Banning them does little. Unless you plan to make it a nationwide ban, stop gun makers from making weapons, and institute extremely harsh sentences for possessing them, nothing will change.

I live in a wealthy part of Chicago. We have no major crimes. No murders, no shootings. I go 20 miles South and there will be 20 shootings every weekend. We have the same laws, same punishments. The issue is about what our society is like and the effects of poverty, not the particular gun law.

If they did manage to remove all guns, knife crimes and murder would increase 10 fold. Just look at the UK and Japan.

So outlaw knives also....

Or maybe then we would have to outlaw hammers?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...der-spree.html

directfiesta 06-27-2008 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14386047)
If they did manage to remove all guns, knife crimes and murder would increase 10 fold. Just look at the UK and Japan.

So outlaw knives also....

Or maybe then we would have to outlaw hammers?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...der-spree.html

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

from " the logic guy " ....

Stick to what you know, like financial management of content sales :2 cents:

The Judge 06-27-2008 04:59 PM

i'm just a little girl

The Judge 06-27-2008 05:05 PM


stickyfingerz 06-27-2008 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 14386141)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

from " the logic guy " ....

Stick to what you know, like financial management of content sales :2 cents:

Ya I know you have awesome logic, after all your hosting site was targeting customers that read latin for what 2 years? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

directfiesta 06-27-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14386210)
Ya I know you have awesome logic, after all your hosting site was targeting customers that read latin for what 2 years? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Maybe you could put some in the place of the big white empty box or where a pic is supposed to be .... idiot :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

http://stickyboxbucks.com/helpdesk/


How well is Fred Thompson doing ?????? :upsidedow

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE 06-27-2008 06:55 PM

Well one thing for sure, banning guns wont stop guns in the hands of criminals or gangs.

So banning guns really puts the favor of intimidation and domination in the hands of gangs and criminals at least right now any gang member or criminal robbing a house has to consider the possibility of the owners being able to defend themselves with guns.

Not to mantion banning guns would certainly create a serious break in the entirety of the country along the lines of a civil war. There are plenty of militia's including my local militia that will not disarm hell or high water.

I myself will fight and die for the right to have a fire arm.

AmateurFlix 06-27-2008 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AlienQ (Post 14386398)
I myself will fight and die for the right to have a fire arm.

http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/l.../04/heston.jpg
"From my cold dead hands" - Charlton Heston


I'm almost glad the poor guy didn't have to live through witnessing four supreme court justices betray their country with their treasonous opinion.

I wonder, if there had been 5 traitors instead 4, how many of them would have lived to see the next day.

geedub 06-27-2008 08:10 PM

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

tony286 06-27-2008 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by geedub (Post 14386558)
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson

That says it all. That amendment was supposed to be for militas because they wanted that if the government didn't work it could be over turned. That was muskets against muskets those days are over.

pocketkangaroo 06-28-2008 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AmateurFlix (Post 14386494)
http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/l.../04/heston.jpg
"From my cold dead hands" - Charlton Heston


I'm almost glad the poor guy didn't have to live through witnessing four supreme court justices betray their country with their treasonous opinion.

I wonder, if there had been 5 traitors instead 4, how many of them would have lived to see the next day.

Traitors? Look up the definition of the word in the dictionary. They are appointed justices who rule on the constitutionality of laws. Save that shit for FreeRepublic or whatever other lunatic website you get it from.

As for the judges, you'd have to call them all traitors if you are trying to say that ruling more liberally is an act of treason. They all have ruled liberally on issues they care about. Even guys like Scalia and Thomas who pretend to be constructionists.

pocketkangaroo 06-28-2008 06:53 AM

My thoughts on the ruling is that it was right. It's a constitutional amendment, nothing we can do about it.

But I do think things need to change. I do think a new Amendment needs to be ratified. As someone already mentioned, the 2nd Amendment was made at a time when weapons were extremely tame. Now we're dealing with weapons that can get off hundreds of rounds within a minute. That can pierce through just about anything.

Technology has changed and so should our country's laws. It'll never happen since a large percent of this country is stuck in 1930 still. Still believes the Earth is 6,000 years old and negroes threaten their way of life. Believe the founding fathers somehow could foresee hundreds of years in the future. It's why we are the only country in the Western world without national healthcare. Why we are so far from creating technology that could take us off oil. The country just isn't evolving with the times, and we're all going to hit some hard times because of it (and if you're playing the market right now, you already are).

geedub 06-28-2008 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14387599)
My thoughts on the ruling is that it was right. It's a constitutional amendment, nothing we can do about it.

But I do think things need to change. I do think a new Amendment needs to be ratified. As someone already mentioned, the 2nd Amendment was made at a time when weapons were extremely tame. Now we're dealing with weapons that can get off hundreds of rounds within a minute. That can pierce through just about anything.

Technology has changed and so should our country's laws. It'll never happen since a large percent of this country is stuck in 1930 still. Still believes the Earth is 6,000 years old and negroes threaten their way of life. Believe the founding fathers somehow could foresee hundreds of years in the future. It's why we are the only country in the Western world without national healthcare. Why we are so far from creating technology that could take us off oil. The country just isn't evolving with the times, and we're all going to hit some hard times because of it (and if you're playing the market right now, you already are).


computers weren't around back then either, so should we not have freedom of speech on the internet? and if you don't think the forefathers weren't predicting this tyrannical state we currently live in, you don't know squat about our actual history. you ever think its not evolving because criminals run it? the forefathers knew this was going to happen, and thats why we are LUCKY to have the bill of rights, thank you Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

to all you foreign tards who think we're a bunch of rednecked retards running around like cowboys, maybe you guys are a little upset theres nothing you can do to fix your country besides be a good submissive little slave that you are. have fun with your commie ass health care and losing 50% of your money to tax so little billy can get his broken arm fixed for "free"

Dirty F 06-28-2008 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geedub (Post 14387670)
computers weren't around back then either, so should we not have freedom of speech on the internet? and if you don't think the forefathers weren't predicting this tyrannical state we currently live in, you don't know squat about our actual history. you ever think its not evolving because criminals run it? the forefathers knew this was going to happen, and thats why we are LUCKY to have the bill of rights, thank you Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

to all you foreign tards who think we're a bunch of rednecked retards running around like cowboys, maybe you guys are a little upset theres nothing you can do to fix your country besides be a good submissive little slave that you are. have fun with your commie ass health care and losing 50% of your money to tax so little billy can get his broken arm fixed for "free"

Congrats to you as well. Youre the dumbest most backward retarded red nick white trash hick in this thread so far. Quite an accomplisment :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Holy shit, what happened in that country that people are born and talk this way.

Totally fucking crazy. How can people in a western society still be this backwards. Truly amazing.

Dirty F 06-28-2008 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geedub (Post 14387670)
computers weren't around back then either, so should we not have freedom of speech on the internet? and if you don't think the forefathers weren't predicting this tyrannical state we currently live in, you don't know squat about our actual history. you ever think its not evolving because criminals run it? the forefathers knew this was going to happen, and thats why we are LUCKY to have the bill of rights, thank you Thomas Jefferson and James Madison.

to all you foreign tards who think we're a bunch of rednecked retards running around like cowboys, maybe you guys are a little upset theres nothing you can do to fix your country besides be a good submissive little slave that you are. have fun with your commie ass health care and losing 50% of your money to tax so little billy can get his broken arm fixed for "free"

http://www.out-post.net/pics/AMERICA.gif :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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