Greed is etheral .....

adultblacklist.com are fucking lowlife thieves too

I have asked them to remove my copyrighted photos numerous times and they have never responded...Pics of a girl I shot that someone posted.

Fuck those scumbags as well.

I am convinced this industry is filled with spineless pussy's that rather whine on a message board rather than do anything about it.

I do not even give a fuck about this kind of thing anymore, I think all affiliate programs should open up a videotube site. May the best content win!

Just give all the shit away for free, ratio's will be fine just keep giving it all away someone might eventually buy something!

Fact is somewhere on the web and in various pockets ALL the content the adult biz has created is free. So whats the big deal right?

Yeah, we really blew it this time... freehosts died once the clickthru/conversions sucked, and no one wanted to link to them due to purposeful 404s by the freehost owners. Today the cam/dating sites are too affraid not to pay these tube sites, because they think competition will buy the same spots and somehow magically make it profitable... and no one really need to link to these tube sites, because the surfers tell their friends like they just found a way to cheat the system without getting caught.

Its a shame really - in no other time in history have so many people needed so much porn, and instead of making a killing on porn itself people want to make money on imaginary pussy (dating) or expensive chitchat (cams) :helpme

This is an industry of survival. Just like prison the weak and moral minded die :)

This board doesn't condone content piracy, copyright infringement. GFY is not an underground forum for spammers and scammers.

Ironic thing is, that most of the people running these scams wouldn´t survive, if the rest of us turned this into full blown anarchy :2 cents:

hehe Bossman the Adult industry is full fledged anarchy.

There is no one leadership, there is no cornerstone in leadership.
The only leaders are the processor's really, as they are the ones that benefit most from transacting what ever they can no matter what the problem is. If processor's stepped forward and thwarted sites like Brazzer's that contributorily infringe on copyrights we might get somewhere.

Unfortunatly the processor's pay no mind cept to those that send them joins, but one can be sure processor's transactions are dropping as well as content becomes more readily available for free.

It is all really upto the processor's to come together and start working with the industry.

CCBILL hides, Netbilling hides, Paycom they all hide and transact for companies that indirectly benefit from content theft. Great guys right? yeah..
They are all awesome stand up folks really. Ya just goto pat them on the back for doing such a service to the industry.

Its all a matter of the processor's working with everyone on many levels regarding content and copyright not just accounting the money.

Just look around at the join pages of the contributory infringement site or even the sites that blatantyl steel content.

CCBILL,Paycom, Netbilling and a few others. They are all there in the middle of it, transacting taking the money and laying low while we all pat them on the back for such a
great job of processing everyone LOL!:)

The more you know about this industry the more gut wrenching fucked it is because all of you get paid by them and love them to the bitter end of the industry. I expect this thread to die now since this one single valid point has come forward and tells you the absolute fucking truth in broad daylight.

None of you can do anything about it, won't do anything about it and infact can NOT do anything about it. You will step right up to one of these processor's rep's at a convention and say nothing but good things with the secret bro hand shake whikle inside they are laughing thier ass off at you.

So like I said... Spineless gutless pussies...
All of you.

Ouch! This is pretty messed up, wouldnt expect this from a company such as brazzers.

i do believe that if tube sites were utilized correctly they could be an asset to both affiliates and programs.

But until tube sites start bringing down full length and overly long content, they will be hurting this industry more than helping it.

Dont give full length vids people, this hurts us all in the long run.

Since it got lost on Page 1...

Just look around at the join pages of the contributory infringement site or even the sites that blatantyl steel content.

CCBILL,Paycom, Netbilling and a few others. They are all there in the middle of it, transacting taking the money and laying low while we all pat them on the back for such a
great job of processing everyone LOL!

The more you know about this industry the more gut wrenching fucked it is because all of you get paid by them and love them to the bitter end of the industry. I expect this thread to die now since this one single valid point has come forward and tells you the absolute fucking truth in broad daylight.

None of you can do anything about it, won't do anything about it and infact can NOT do anything about it. You will step right up to one of these processor's rep's at a convention and say nothing but good things with the secret bro hand shake whikle inside they are laughing thier ass off at you.

So like I said... Spineless gutless pussies...
All of you.

It's not that simple my friend. For guys like you who aren't really in this business you probably think that's how it works. But it doesn't. Most big programs have their own merchant accounts and have no need of CC Bill or Epoch. As far as Netbilling...they are merely a gateway for a person's merchant account.
So if I have my own merchant account and use a gateway...I am pretty much my own billing processor.
That's why I get upset when I hear people ranting and raving about the "industry" and it's "leaders" and blah-blah-blah.
There are a lot of smart people on this forum. You're one. But you're very ignorant of how things are done and how business works.
Billing companies are not leaders and can't do a damn thing to stop anybody except for people who actually use their services.
That isn't the answer. And neither are these threads with people that aren't even in the business rampaging about things they don't understand.
My gut feeling is that the answer is coming. Just like it did with dialers, zango, etc., etc. In the meantime a lot of people will make a money grab.
But trying to pin the blame on some faceless "leaders" that don't exist isn't gonna solve anything. You are simply completely wrong on that.

I like it how this industry has been fucking people over since day 1, back in the days it was ron levi fucking the surfer with tripple and quadrupple billings, now that surfers have gotten smarter big programs are fucking each other, well done.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Guess ya do not know shit about Gateways...
There are not many of them, while only a select few have the banking relations necessary to process globally. So you can figure it from there. It comes to those 3 and a few others responsible for transacting contributory infringers.

PS: I been in the the biz since before you were squirting cum onto playboy pages you stole from yer dad. With some teaching from some of the originators of this industry before there was a internet.

Well said, I look forward to meeting you at the atl forum.

You are funny. You aren't in this business! I'm 46 years old and I really have been doing this a long time. I know most people that are anything...and I don't know you. And I don't know anybody that is a major player that knows you. So please don't make yourself look dumb. I don't think you are dumb...just ignorant of how things work with money. But trying to fantasize that you are some porn mogul definitely makes you look foolish.

what a load of shit, you know nothing son

besides, who the fuck are you?

I'll actually be in Atlanta tomorrow night at the Courtyard Marriott by the airport. I'm flying out of there on Tuesday to Vegas. Gonna broadcast a live cam show of Claudia-Marie at 8 p.m. out of Atlanta. You guys should get with me and come on over...I stream the cam show from my own server (no 3rd party stuff) and I have my hands full. Could always use an extra set of hands on a camera :)

Well you definatly read like an amateur right now...
I am just smarter than you and obviously you do not know alot of people and thats OK.

Ya do not have to know everyone to be great in this biz.
But you certainly goto know how to point a finger where there is a problem.

Lesson 1: Just becauyse you are your own gateway does not mean the gateway you operate can not be decidedly shutdown, your Gateway is supplied...
It is Supplied by Someone...

Now those guys there...
Are the ones I am talking about. Onyl a handful of them on the net that have the banking relations figured. These are not unknown men by anymeans. these are guys that decide who can process what via Gateways or 3rd party processing.

It's not tough.
Or maybe you are all happy you finally got some processing up and think wow what wonderful people! HAha Ass kisser's kill.

Mandy cant she has a show but that would be great. I have to step out for a bit. When I get back I will icq you,it will be nice to meet you guys.

The question is, who will spend money to try and take down tube sites? What ever happened with the piracy round table in SoCal? I think illegal tube sites are much worse than torrents.

it wont stop. sad but true.

Ok genius...I'll give you some more education since you are so damn intent on completely going down this road in the conversation. The "gateway" isn't gonna shut a damn thing down.
The ONLY thing that shuts you down is THE BANK. Yes, people do lose their merchant accounts.
Now Einstein....sounds good doesn't it. Let's just report them to the banks.
Well guess what? That's already been done.
What happened?
Everybody now has merchant accounts in European banks. Guess the countries?
Now please don't debate this with me anymore. The things you are saying are just completely misinformed. And pissing me off isn't gonna help you to ever actually break into this business.
And me arguing with you isn't gonna make me a dollar either. So just believe me that the idea of going after the processors won't work. OK?
Smarter guys than you and I have already thought of damn near every angle to attack this thing.
So when you sit in front of your computer and suddenly have a light bulb go off and think you're going to post on GFY and call me and every person in this business a bunch of "pussies" ...then please count to ten and take a deep breath.
There is nothing new under the sun Beetlejuice. You're not coming up with brilliant ideas that nobody has thought of yet. I know it's easy to get excited on here and lash out with brash words. But in the end it doesn't mean anything. So just chill a minute and trust me on this.
If I or anybody else thought we could stop tubes and torrents simply by shutting down the money they would already be gone.
I sat at a table right next to some guys at the Amsterdam show last year having lunch while they discussed billing for their fucking tube site with one of the European gateway billers. Oh, you didn't know that there are more than just a "few" of those did you?
Well, there are. And you know what? They don't give a fuck. It's big money.
Yes, if CC Bill is made aware of it they will pull their processing on things of that nature. But a gateway processor isn't responsible for an individuals merchant account. And at that conversation I overheard in Amsterdam, I sat at my table fuming and raging mad as I heard the rep tell these assholes that there would be no problem with the banks about what they were doing.
Does that make sense to you?
Or would you like to insult me some more and keep raving like a madman?

I know the merchant banks we work with in Europe have been tightening up over the last year, and I can only see them do even more in the years to come. However these are located in countries within the EU, so these might not be the same banks they were talking about?

Anyway - while the 3rd party processors and merchant banks have enough consolidated power to make a industry wide move towards an industry organization, then I can not see them do this, because they are too affraid of getting their names included with porn. Sure they will take our business, but they still want to look like "serious" and "responsible" organizations to the outside world.

What I would like to see is content providers offering insurance that their content will NOT be found on every tube sites known to man. I know we have stopped buying content from specific studios/content providers because their content is all over the tubes.

If they can´t make this insurance with their current pricing, then add 5-10% on top of the content, or a recurring (monthyly/yearly) fee, which will go fully to combating piracy of their content. Make reports that show how little the content is spread on the tube sites - it would make me want to buy (sponsors with exclusive content could do something similiar) :2 cents:

"So when you sit in front of your computer and suddenly have a light bulb go off and think you're going to post on GFY and call me and every person in this business a bunch of "pussies""

So what! I said it... You people are pussies. Don;t cry. I know I am right LOL:) I have no idea what makes you guys want to sit and whine about this shit all the time. The energy is better spent putting something together this is not the first thread full of pussy ass whiners about tubesites. Infact it must be about the 100th thread and still NOTHING is done about them.

Oh shit infact many of you will sit down right next to them and eat... And not say a fucking thing!

You people are disorganised, with a sense of entitlement with complete feebleminded inaction. Your only solution is to take a bong rip and make more banners for the content thieves.

Nothing will be done.
Pardon me for thinking this industry is full of lazy minded people that won't do anything. I just been around to long and know the facts. I love you people I really do but running around and complaining all the time is not going to solve this. Thieves only know two things and that is how to evade getting busted while taking in money and if even 1/2 of you people got together the problem would be put to an end.

Like I said the Banking relations can be stressed, the content providers can be stressed yet here we go again, lets make another thread that proves this industry is full of mother fucking pussies while the thieves go and turn profits at our expense.

Its just another day...

The idea for content providers to protect their content by limiting it only to certain sites is good. However, nobody can guarantee that that very content won't be found on a tube site. What if the member (legal) of the paysite rips the members area and upload it to tube site, how could you stop and/or control that? You can't limit surfer to use the content only for his satisfaction. Once the content is on his machine he can do whatever he wants with it with no fears.

Also big players like Brazzers and company have their own content production teams so it can't help anyway. They can do whatever they want with that content. The only possible solution that I can think of is the models and their terms under which the content must not be distributed to other sites than the one it's shot for. But again we're going to point one, where the surfer could get that content and do whatever he wants with it...

It's a very very tough issue we're all facing nowadays good. And I don't see lightly future to porn industry. Either we'll do something or let it go and die.... for us mortals.

Hey, I didn't say I wasn't a pussy...I just said maybe you shouldn't post that we are all pussies. LOL

Back in the day it used to be pretty point blank and simple, some content providers created content for members sections uses only.

Somehow that got scraped under the rug.

I apologise Rob, these threads get me heated as well.:thumbsup
You are not really a pussy its a figure of speech mano. Just to many of these threads with nothing happening.

I am sorry.

because money wins over morals anyday

If they can´t do it on their own, then thats where the organization will come in, because the content provider will loose business if the content stays on there.

I would think its more easy getting 100 content providers to make an organization going after copyright infringers, because their business is content, then 100 paysite owners whos business is traffic :2 cents:

How Ironic :1orglaugh

Brazzer's entire members area can be downloaded from rapidshare, torrents and various other sources.

It is problems like these that make me want a Republican president.

Why? Because of what Bossman said. The banks are getting tighter because the US is telling them that they can't play with US customers if they can't play nice. This is to thwart piracy and money laundering but the repercussions are trickling down to actually help us.

We are actually riding on the coattails of the assholes that wanted to shut us down.

does the safe harbor provision exist yes it does
that means they do have a right to the material
the purpose of the safe harbor provision is to provide balance to the additional take down notification power the DMCA gave you guys.

want to give up those extra rights and go back to having to spending 100k getting restraining order to get your content taken down, then and only then can you argue the safe harbor provision should not exist.

With out fair use like parody, comentary could be absolutely censored. The fact is and the google case will untimately prove that fair use is currently being censored by the DMCA takedown request. 1000's of people who used copyright materials to generate parodies and commentaries on youtube had their content removed by those take down requests because they did not want to spend the thousands of dollars defending their fair use rights.



i have no sympathy for those who abuse safe harbor provision just like i have no sympathy for those that abuse the DMCA take down request. I however realize that two extremes of abuse are the balance to the law that is necessary to protect the 6 TRILLION dollar fair use economy from abusive DMCA take down requests.

What is sad is whinny webmaster bitching about when in reality the law is so in your favor already.

A DMCA take down request is a 1 page document, you can hire companies to monitor and send them out, you are talking about a very minor per unit cost.

The only way someone who actually has a fair use right to use the content can defend that right is to spend 1000's of dollars defending those rights.

Those in the economy like sony (vcr case), diamond rio (rio case) and youtube (current case) who are makeing money of the fair use economy will defend those rights and therefore extend the right for all of us.



6 Trillion dollars of the use economy is dependent on fair use staying the same as it is, i have business in this economy, some providing those notification services to get rid of the content (software based not video based). I have investments in fair use companies (completely unrelated to tube sites) that are dependent on the fair use economy staying the same.

I tried launching a business under the adbugging.com domain name based on the model described by mark pesce in his "speech piracy is good"
While the content producers (actual content producers not distributors) loved the idea advertisers were not interested because they already got the same branding benefit from product placement.

gideongallery, I've seen you make this argument over and over. I realize that simple "right and wrong" are of no concern to you.
Have you ever considered that there should be NO balance when someone displays MY content to make money for themselves?
I could care less if you want to download my entire members area and email it to everyone of your best friends.
Have fun.
But when it is on a tube or torrent site that the owner of said site is profiting from the traffic that my content is providing then that is an entirely different proposition.
And for you to insinuate in any way that the "balance" is tipped in my favor is a total fallacy.
I produce the content and incur all of the expenses. Then the government forces me to become a bookkeeper and create a physical filing system of 2257 that they will use to throw me in prison if it isn't followed to every detail.
Then some scumbag comes along and has it on his site with NO 2257 documentation required and no cost of production or man hours incurred.
Then I am supposed to take even more of my time and money to chase it down.
That is not right.
For you to say otherwise is a slap in my face. And when you come on GFY spouting that stuff you are using the paintbrush of disrespect on every person in this business.
It's real simple...right and wrong.
I pay for everything, I'm held accountable by the govt. The tube and torrent site owner makes the money, pays for nothing, and apparently doesn't have to provide any 2257 either.
Yeah, that's fair.
I think I'm gonna close my paysite and just open it up for free and run dating site ads with a prepaid spot.
And oh yeah...just stop shooting anything new.

and you are missing the point

add product placement, process monetization and you can reduce your cost of production to zero

have a live element and the zero cost product when stolen will give you free advertising if you adbugged the live interaction (like tv shows do for upcomming shows)


would you like to go back to spending 10k to get a restraining order to get your content removed, i am sure you would say no

but if you remove the safe harbor provison my copyright protected right to take your content and overlay the my song parody song " torrent killed the porno star" (sung to the music of video killed the radio star) would be denied. Companies would have no choice but to censor me, and a conditional monopoly would turn into an absolute monopoly
and a censorship tool.

you can hire a company like removeyourcontent.com for 150 a month, have them do all the requests for you while i would have to spend thousands to defend my right AND YOU ARE STILL BITCHING AND WHINING.

Basically the DMCA has replaced 10k per takedown request with 150 / month cost and you are still whining and crying about it not being fair. My God Man up, stop acting like a child and be thankful for the changes in your favor.


if you can't see the benefit in reducing a 10k per takedown to something that now cost you pennies per takedown you should close up your paysite and start a tube site.