I'm glad you just walked in here and had all these answers. But I hate to tell you that it was very rare that anybody ever spent any money taking down content in the past. There were a couple of big court fights between content companies themselves about 10 years ago. But other than that I've never heard of anybody spending 10k to take shit down.
Back in the day, I would have just motherfucked anybody that had my shit.
Today with tubes and torrents that isn't possible anymore.
You are a person with an agenda. That is all. You're trying to justify theft. Read what I said...it's my HUGE investment and personal security at stake when I shoot content. I could go to PRISON.
The tube guy? The torrent guy? Nope. Just making money off of my work.
That's it. End of story. All your "fair rights" argument is just you saying: you can't create your own content that anybody would want. So you are going to take it and monetize it. I doubt very, very seriously that "fair rights" was ever meant to do what you are espousing.
Enjoy your short money grab while you can. Once it's over...I'll still be making money and have a business.
And you will have moved on to the next bullshit scam loophole to try and make your ill-gotten gains.
I've seen this kind of b.s. in every facet of life.
So no...I NEVER spent any money to get my content taken down in the past. So why should I suddenly be overjoyed to have to hire people to go take down what should NOT be there to begin with from tube and torrent sites who are laughing all the way to the bank?
Keep pushing that agenda on here my friend. Keep saying "fair rights use" over and over and click your heels three times.
A year from now, come back and re-visit this thread.
Something will have to have changed by then. Either you are gonna be on your ass or I will.
And if people like me go "down the tubes" so to speak, then you won't have "fair rights" to use any goddamn thing because there won't be any new stuff being shot for you to steal..
Oh, excuse me. That's right. You're not stealing. You're just excercising "fair rights".
Be sure to stop by later and I'll give you the keys to my car so you can use "fair rights" and I'll be sure to hand you PIN to my bank card. And don't forget to pet my dog, have my kids call you "daddy", and fuck my wife too.
Fair rights. :thumbsup

well i have my software was posted on sites that let it be downloaded for free
i had copies of my scripts sold for a fraction of the cost i charged, i had to go to court to get the restraining order, isp refused to take the site down until i got that court order.

DMCA has made it a lot easier when the guys in the states, hell with many foreign host respecting it became a hell of a lot cheaper.

what you are saying doesn't make sense so you could wave a magic want and your content would disapper, isp would give up the revenue stream just when you asked, well then you were luckier than most because i never got that lucky

the same technologies that have reduced the cost of producing a tube site have also reduced your distribution cost. The model has changed adapt or die.

whin and bitch all you want the bottom line is you will have to adapt to survive,

luckly all of the survival methods have been developed, tv did it already
they moved to live content, they transformed cost centers into paid product placement and took advantage of process monitization.

do the same thing and you will have no problem surviving, don't and you will fall to the wayside.

IF anything i think it will get worse for you because i think google is going to establish the fair use right of access shifting which will legitimize all the "copyright infringement" on tubes.

What I would like to know is what is the affiliate program for their free TOON password thing?

Well gideongallery, I guess then I'lll be testing out that Claudia-Marie trademark that I have from the good old government that gives me the only rights to make money in adult with her. We'll just see if trademark and copyright mean anything. Or if you're right and everybody can just steal anything they want. You better hope I'm right or there won't be an adult business left for you to be a parasite on anymore. And as far as waving my magic wand...yes, that's exactly the way it used to work. Everybody knew everybody. Now you and a million other surfers all think you're in the porn business. :(

Illegal tube sites prove once and for all that organized crime does NOT control this industry. If they did, the problem would have ended soon after it began. A few "accidents" for tube owners early on would have quickly solved the problem. Maybe a few pissed off players will snap soon, before they are forced to join the unemployment lines...

.. Or open a tube site yourself.

Clearly, that is what is happening. The "If you can't beat 'em ..." train of thought that eventually many fall into when the income starts dropping too much to their liking, or the frustration gets too much.

I've said this before and it's still true:
If, and it's a big if, the major players in the industry all stand up - together (ha ha) or individually - and say 'We WILL not do business with tube sites' nor accept their traffic (as affiliates) or allow our ads on their sites (via ad networks) then it sends a strong message to everyone else: Tube sites = Bad.

When they stay silent, or even worse, do business with them (and even partner in them or start their own), then it sends the opposite message, and gives everyone else an excuse, "Well Company X is advertising on tube sites and they are our competition, so I'm just protecting my business" blah blah.

Basically, it starts at the top.
If the big boys take a firm stand, it will make a difference. Until then, expect more and more companies to jump on the bandwagon.

FUCK TUBE SITES UP THE ASS!

I think it's different today. The guys before us came up the hardway. They weren't computer nerds who found something to do cool online. They didnt come from middle to upper middle class families and have college degrees.When organized crime made their own copies of Behind The Green Door and were distributing it on the east coast. The Mitchell Brothers showed up to their offices with bats and then sued the shit out of them. I could never see that happening today.

....your posts would be more readable and would look better if you learned how to use "paragraphs"

No, a real paragraph would start indented. I think what you mean is if I put spaces BETWEEN paragraphs. And you would be right about that. I do sometimes, but when I'm multi-tasking and posting shit in between working on my tgps and paysite I tend to get in a hurry and try to put my point across too quickly. I hope that what I had to say still got out there.

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hey Robbie hows it going :) Can you give Claudia (www.claudia-marie.com) a quick boob squezze for me please and pass the message l will see her in florida :thumbsup

thanks

Claire XXXX


http://www.kingscastleuk.com/girls/g...serialNumber=1

Can you please post some proof to the allegations..I am too lazy to search.

Thanks

bump it up :pimp

I'll sit here just in case someone decides to have balls... but so far there's pretty much only V_Rocks.


***in wait for a brointervention***

This thread is all over the place.


Robbie, you're dead on and nice to read your words. For the most part the adult business is fueled by new content production. If that ceases, there is not enough quality content to meet consumer demands. Especially for niche products.


Something is going to give, be it through new technologies to protect and distribute content, government regulation/online adult internet reform or it all just flat out imploding.

Let's not forget that it appears that they fucked over their content producer...

It's been shown elsewhere that wheras they're charging US customers $2.95 USD for a trial, they're milking europeans $2.95 EURs along with all their cross sells in Euros as well.. And of course this change in billing hasn't been passed along to the affiliates.. Not to mention that their $25 PPS model is one of the lowest in the industry when compared to all the other big boys.

So who are these guys? Anyone have the names of who's behind that company?

Juggcash http://www.adultwhoswho.com/browse/b....html?id=01322
Brazzer Traffic Network http://www.adultwhoswho.com/browse/b....html?id=01149

Lackeys... who owns and runs it?

you are doing it again
all of your exclusive rights are restricted by fair use (not withstanding clause) so the government has not givne you the ONLY RIGHT to make money in adult with her. Other people have a right to make money with her, in the fair use distribution, back up providers, format shifting providers, time shifting providers all have a right to make money with her. you have a right to compete in that marketplace, piracy only exists if you refuse to fulfill those rights for everyone (for free) who has them.

it not an all or nothing, your copyright is conditional, wrapped in fair use, likewise fair use is conditional (must meet specific conditions to apply). you still have an exclusive right to distribute for non fair use (ie first sale) distribution. you just have to compete in a fair market for fair use distribution (ie second sale). that the way the law was written when it started.

barrier to entry is dropping. competition is increasing, pricing is comming down, distribution channels are flattening it a bad time for being a distributor.

However it is a great time to be a content producers, IF YOU ARE SMART.

a paysites like yours is both content producer and distributor, increase the content producer side, and decrease the distribution side and you will make way more money

don't and you will get eaten alive.

how could that be realized? our content is not allowed to be given away for free on tube sites. but what if someone takes it from any of my clients and uploads it somewhere. how do i control that? impossible :2 cents:

gideongallery you are an idiot. I'm sorry. I don't throw those kind of words around that easily. But to tell me that my company doesn't have the "right" to be the only one to monetize the content that I personally shoot of my own wife (and she is part owner of said company) is about the craziest most bizarre, upside down world bunch of bullshit that I've ever heard. Not only will that stupid line of thinking lead you to a very bad end down the line, but it's also just plain incorrect. You are trying to manipulate law in your mind to suit your concepts of freeloading off of others. Good luck with that. Now, I'd like to tell you the same thing I tell a bum on the street. Go get a job. You don't belong here.

:2 cents:

Its not about making a perfect system - its about making an effective system compared to the current non-existing system.

You have all the documents, know all the buyers, and you have the biggest interest in protecting your content. If you do not have the resources to policing the net, send DMCAs, take people to court or break their legs, then you would outsource, and since you probably are not alone, then others could join you in an organization.

Me, as an buyer, would select you over the other content providers, if you could lay out a plan on how you will keep your content from being stolen by every tube site known to man. If you and all of the other content providers can not do this, then there would not be much reason for me to buy, when other can grab it for free...

Compare it to Nike - they have to fight pirated goods, so their sales and brand do not erode.

i suggest you hire a good lawyer to explain it to you
ask them what the significants of a "subject to" clause is.
ask him if your copyright allows you to take away the rights granted under section 107 or if the "subject to" clause creates a situation where your exclusive rights are superceded.

copyright has never been an absolute monopoly, if was intented to be an absolute monopoly the subject to clause would not exist in the law.

Sorry for skimming a little bit, but the subject of "how would tube sites be held responsible for removing said content" came up. I think first of all, they have to *want* to, and second of all they have to be willing to hold their uploaders to a higher standard.

Such as require uploaders to digitally sign a simple binding statement (how 'bout a checkbox) that states that they own the rights to distribute the material, and upon request they can forward a content license or similar proofs. What is hard about this? At the very least they cover their legal ass in case the "you-tube" defense falls apart.

Any situation where someone says "tell me about it and I'll remove it" is what I call the "you-tube" defense BTW.

Then the site has to be willing to follow through in *every* case of complaint of a breach.. if you bind the work to the uploader, at least you've got someone to query. Do it via email confirm link after every upload. Now you have an IP, and an email address.

I would think this type of system would rise to the level of "good faith effort" which should be a bare minimal standard.

the key point is why would they want to, the law does not require them too, it would cost them money to implement such a system so why not just obey the laws as they are written.

As your self the question do you go above and beyond the law with your paysites. do you track down every use who buys a membership to make sure little tommy has not stolen his fathers credit card to view porn. of course not your not required to so you choose not to incur the expense. Unless there is some significant benefit to incuring the extra expense tube owners are no more go beyond their legal requirements then you would with your paysites.

But gideon, members have to leave all of their information including billing. You have a recourse *IF* you ever needed it for legal purpose or what not. My suggestion right now, today, would be to get it in place to collect. It's not hard after all to save a few literal bits of data should a situation arise. After all, google is being sued on multiple fronts over very similar things. Such as the google earth case where a couples private property was placed online even though their very driveway was marked private property do not enter and so forth.
Google is using the youtube defense by saying "hey, all anyone has to do is tell us they want their house removed and we'll remove it". But that doesnt even touch the problems being complained about, which is means of gathering the data in the first place (if it was legal or not), and if they used reasonable standards to determine it.

If you've got a member downloading full scenes and uploading them to a tube site, and the tube site doesnt even KNOW that it's 1 guy who sent 40 hi def, full length scenes, then they're really doing nothing by saying "I didnt know". They may feel confident that that's enough, and it may be for now, but I think in terms of whats more likely versus less likely.. it's more likely that some small minimal standard of accountability will be enforced if not adopted voluntarily.

IP, email address, username.. not hard to collect for a what-if scenario IMHO.

You are comparing apples and oranges again my freeloading friend. As a paysite we have no way to do anything with a credit card. That's all kept from us (as it should be) for the security of the member.

Last thing anybody wants is a bunch of us running around with credit card info. LOL

I have to tell you, you certainly proved me right when I said earlier that you have an agenda. You are no different in my eyes than those people who loot businesses everytime a natural disaster happens.

Keep telling yourself all these loopholes and unintended consequences that have arisen from legislation being behind technology gives you some kind of "right" to steal my copywritten, trademarked, and intellectual properties.

As I said before...it's nothing more than a short term money grab.

And just like all the other scams and loopholes and b.s. that I've seen over the years, this one will come and go as well.

At that point, what are you going to do? My guess is you will be on here defending the next batch of crooked bullshit.

As a human being I'm sure that is not the perception you want to give of yourself, but since the ONLY thing you ever do on GFY is defend theft and try to redefine it in your own terms and citing a section of the law over and over and over to defend what you already know in your heart and mind is WRONG...then the people who are in the adult business have to take your measure by what you show us.

And what you show isn't very pretty.

Let us all know when you actually produce something yourself and/or do anything that is of any value to any of us. I'm always looking for ways to do business with people. Just keep us all informed when and if you ever have that capability.

the biggest enemy to adult tube sites is 2257, i'm suprised more people arent welcoming it as a solution.

I think if they were all USA based yes but the bulk if not all are overseas I think.

it is not unintential it was put there by design by the lawmakers, go and read the congressional transcripts from the debates about the law, go read the senate transcripts. Copyright was never intented to be an absolute monopoly, it was designed to be a conditional monopoly that would allow you to recover the cost of production and turn a resonable profit for your efforts.

the mpaa and the ria have done a really effective job of misrepresenting fair use as a loop hole, a trick or abuse of the law, the bottom line it is not

It was explictly define in the law, the transcripts from the debate when the law was being passed proved that it was put there on purpose specifically because the lawmakers realized they were creating a monopoly with the exclusive rights. Monopolies are bad, and need to be stopped, fair use is the balance to prevent that bad things that come with a monopoly (19.95 back up copies of windows, having to buy the same song for each device, etc).

It has never been a loophole, in fact fair use was defined in a section BEFORE the exclusive right granted section, those exclusive rights were bounded by the fair use EXPLICTLY.
i don't defend theft (copyright infringement is not theft it is a fraud)
i don't defend the fraud either (see my your are guilty no if, no buts comment)
i defend the fair use right granted by the law, most of the examples come after you have purchased the necessary right to view (tv shows and my cable bill)
secondary delivery of that content has always, and was intended to be legal.

Piracy occurs because you refuse to fullfill that fair use responsibility, you have the membership list of people, know who has bought the right to view from you, you could perfectly provide backup/recover access to the content. You don't so the next best solution ... torrents allows people who fraudlently claim they have a right to view to gain access to your content.

removeyourcontent.com provides direct competition to my service (mine is for software not video) you refuse to take up such a services, focusing instead of solutions designed to prevent fair use rights explictly granted. you attack people who work out their own solution to the problem (this thread)

This thread made my day....because of your response. Love it....

OOOohhh this is getting interesting! :thumbsup

Goddamn giddeongallery, you are annoying. I ALREADY hired removeyourcontent.com AND I am streaming my members area with encrypted h.264 And NO, my intellectual, copywritten, and trademarked content was, is, and NEVER will be intended you scumbags to make money with.

I don't whine about anything. I take action.

YOU are the one who enters every thread and starts WHINING about ONE small section of law that was passed by a group of lawmakers who were NOT technically savvy.

That will be rectified. And again...let us all know WHY you are on GFY. All I see you doing is defending thieves. Oh excuse me...frauds. Why don't you stop trying to insult everyone's intelligence with your parsing of words.

In my view...birds of a feather flock together. You sure are doing a lot of "flocking" with some thieves.

Stop sigwhoring and actually contribute something to this business and stop defending theft and perhaps someone may take you seriously.

And when the laws change and you are sitting in a corner sobbing over "fair rights" I'm gonna be a real dick about it and look at you and snarl: "Adapt or die"
LOL!

Most are US based. Not all are hosted in the US though.

we know that before :(

Robbie good stuff man. Keep fighting, the thieves havent won yet.

Robbie For President!
 

Robbie, your input is treasured -- please keep actively posting on the boards. We need your comments!

Thanks,

Dave

stop promoting them then