the only person enjoying this thread is Steve Lightspeed - because this kook has finally found a new obsession besides Lightspeed.

Nope its called Thailand lol

Just bought a copy of Dark Knight at the mall last night.

$3 (like all pirate movies in Thailand)

Cam was kind of shaky but watchable...

:upsidedow

No, Steve is going to enjoy it because I am the one who is gonna go kook and obssess with gideongallery... I am going to follow him everywhere he goes on GFY.

Turns out that I have time to do just that while rendering video. I will be the crazy motherfucker in this drama. This lame ass pretend businessman isn't even in my league. He is now my bitch and I'm going to hound him on here. Everytime he defends theft I am going to be there.

Of course with his extensive knowledge of the laws it's going to be tough (lol) and with all his business acumen I may struggle (lol) But somehow I will shine the light of day on this poser every chance I get.

gideongallery... The webmaster with no websites. The pathetic domain buyer of pornstar names. All useless. A sedo parking wannabe

But he knows everything there is to know about finding weasely ways to steal from hard working people

Amazing isn't it? He can cite you a thousand ways to steal "legally" Yet he can't even do ONE thing himself.

wow, this is horrible :(
ethics & morals down the drain

and every time you claim it theft i am going to ask you for the any court decision where the judge has said that copyright infringement is theft.

I realize i am going to sound like a broken record, but since your best arguement was to quote some wiki mispost (which has been correct now) and no such court exists.
It doesn't matter how much money you make, nothing is going to change the fact no judge has equated copyright infringement with theft.


hell the fact that you are a business man way out of my "league" becuase it would take a semi-competent lawyer less than an hour to do a lexus nexus to find all the case where the judge said the words "copyright infringement is theft"

a 1 hour billing from you lawyer is all you need to shut me up completely and the best you can do is mispost from wiki (that has now been corrected)

gideongallery you are so damn stupid
I will paypal you ONE THOUSAND dollars right now if you can show me a quote where I ever quoted wikipedia on any court decision in this thread or ANY thread.

You are a liar and a parasite. Please leave.

Will never replace going to see a flick on the big screen.

you are correct, i confused cd statement with yours, he was the one who was quoting yours. Call it a by product of being attacked from multiple fronts.

You were the guy who said fuck wikipedia (infering fuck the laws that were the sources) it theft because you say it theft. You argued that me telling the truth (no judge has ever defined copyright infringement as theft) is some how wrong because i don't have as much money as you.

Ignoring the fact that your fuck wikipedia (the laws) it's theft proves you have a bias. you want to take content that cost you like 3k to produce and make 50k from it. Absolute Monopoly profits for something that the law itself defines as only a conditional monopoly.


thank god you didn't live in the time of slavery because those emancipationist were trying to take away the rich southerns property (negros).

You are wrong again gideongallery. It's starting to become a habit for you. You said I want to make 50 thousand off something that cost me 3k to make? WRONG. I want to make a LOT more than that.

It's MINE asshole. Not yours. Keep spinning. The only thing you're gonna end up is penniless. My JOB is to make money for me and my family. That's why I create stuff, and parasites like you try to steal it and come up with ways to justify it.

I'll say it over and over and over: You seem to have no problem coming up with a million ways to justify stealing other peoples' content. And yet not ONE way to create your own.

You are a real piece of work.

Now leave. You don't belong here.

You know...I thought communism was pretty much a failed and dead experiment. But gideongallery shows that it is still alive and well.

You really should just leave before you lose all of your pathetic income. Either that or just keep your mouth shut and your eyes open and try to learn how to make money.

One thing is for sure...you won't be doing any business with anybody on GFY. And running a freaking banner in a sig on a message board is about the most ignorant thing I could ever think of for trying to make money.

What do you think is gonna happen gideongallery? In your mind do you think that surfers are going to click that banner and sign up and you're gonna make money?

You really don't have a clue do you?

This is a message board! I get more traffic at my sites in 1 minute than a message board is gonna get your sig banner in a week.

Just leave. You are an embarrassment.

why do you keep going back and forth with him? lol

I'm just sick of all these people who aren't in our business coming on here and speaking in an authoritative tone about things that they know nothing about.

gideongallery is one of those pathetic tools that the old cliche was once written about: "A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"

He thinks he's a legal expert from reading shit on the internet. And he thinks and is encouraging others to think that they can steal and get away with it.

I want to make sure that people realize that no matter what this failure of a human being thinks or says: Stealing is WRONG. And taking something that belongs to another and making money with it is STEALING

He can parse it all he wants. He can double talk all he wants. Hell, if he actually had done ANYTHING at all or had anything at all I would back off. I could respect him and allow that he has his reasons.

But he has no reasons other than extreme laziness and an inability to do things on his own.

He should leave.

The idiot actually compared ME to a slave owner in the old south :1orglaugh

Correct me if I'm wrong...but didn't the SLAVES do all the work while the slave owner made money?

Isn't that what this thief is doing to us?

We do all the work, assume all the risk, pay for everything.... and then he just takes it and makes money.

Who is the slave in that scenario gideongallery.

LEAVE.

time to leave this thread to die an natural death I think Robbie, but heh I am just an noob so please do not feel offended.

This thread turned out to be pretty gay.

Have you ever bought content and seen license ? 99,9% of licenses don`t give you right to upload full scene on free site. It gives you rights to use 2 min clips but not full scene. So when pornhub`s employe see 20 min video with well known pornstars he shoud assume that video is fucking stolen and decline it. But their policy is totally different. They don`t want to own site with legal content - short clips and homemade produced videos. They want to make as much money as they can on stolen videos.

Is this fair use ? No, it`s simple theft

your trying to claim a control level that even real physical product don't have

if i buy a car, i can rent it out, i can make money off it
GM does not have a right to stop me from doing that

Copyright law give you a right to do that with you make videos. But that control over distribution, what you can do with the content you buy is explictly bound by fair use.

you control the distribution for everything that is not fair use.

the same law that grant you that exclusive right grants me fair use rights to the content.

your arguement about how you own it because you made it is the equivalent to GM we have complete control over how you use the car you bought from us because we made it.

It is an insanely stupid declaration.

when you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

The fact is the law does not require them to make that assumption, and if it did it would destroy fair use like parody, comentary, backup , timeshifting etc.

If you could licience away fair use vcrs would have been illegal, because the tv station that sued would simply say we don't licience you to timeshift the content. and the vcr manufacters (in that case sony) would have had to remove the record button.

you can't licience away fair use because as the law is written your exclusive rights don't exist for the scope of fair use. All of the exclusive rights that are granted by the copyright act are not granted for fair use. so it basically if the copyright act did not exist.

i realize you wish the law was different but it not. the safe harbor provision exists, if the safe harbor provision was as easy to get around as you guys keep saying it is pornhub would be out of business already.

it not which means at the very least you are wrong, and at the very best i am right.

i have repeatedly said that access shifting has not been established yet, so it is totally possible that not a fair use right, i believe it will be. so far everytime it has been tried to be established the technology that did so tied copyright infringment (in and of itself) with each instance of access shifting. The question will be what will the ruling be when that is not the case. When the distribution methodology only gives you hundreds of non working copies (as is the case with trying to play the pieces "I" gave you in a torrent swarm/ tstream) and does not have an associated copyright infringement (in and of itself)

Nobody is listening to your pathetic grade school lawyering and completely fucked up analogies....You aren't BUYING anything. So how can you analogize that to GM selling me a fucking car?

Leave gideongallery. You will NEVER make money from anyone here...at least not legally. So the only thing I see you doing here is scouting for more websites to STEAL from

You are a poor excuse for a man.

Oh really? If you buy camera in a dark alley for a fraction of its true value and it is clear that serial numbers have been erased you will face verdict for fencing. And every jury will find you guilty, because you should know that camera with erased serial numbers is stolen.



Bullshit

You have rights to timeshift the content, but don`t have rights to sell the copies or to make money in any other way from that content. If you don`t believe me - try.

Safe harbor provision exists for user uploaded content, not for user uploaded and accepted by operator. Pornhub will be out of business after first lawsuit.

When The Dark Knight comes out on DVD, go buy it and share the entire thing on a tube site and let the producers know that they can't stop you from making money off it.
See if they agree with your analogy.

the problem is with copyright material it is not that cut and dry.
CRIA tried to sue canadians for illegally downloading/uploading music at the same time as they accepted money from the governments piracy tax. They were paid for the piracy, with that tax, yet they still believed they were entitled to more money. The supreme court ruled otherwise.
in essence they "accidently" licienced the illegal download of music by taking the piracy tax.

what about uploads by uses from cede countries, what about any other "accidental" licienced rights.


absolutely i never said you did, however sony proved you had the right to sell goods(and therefore services) that faciliate timeshifting. The same is true with any other fair use right. that is all the tube sites are doing.



i realize you would hope that is true but i think it not very likely. i really doubt a judge is going to say that the only way we will let you have the protection of the safe harbor provision is if you let criminal content to be posted freely. I really don't think any judge is going to want themselves associate with ruling that implictly support child pornography.

could you imagine we didn't want to let child pornography to be listed on our site but the judge said the only way we were entitled to safe harbor protect was to automate the system and allow the illegal content to be posted.

the analog was to describe the rules that GM had to live under because of "property laws"

fair use grants me different rights, i never said i had a right to make money off the distribution. AS I HAVE SAID MORE THAN 56 TIMES ALREADY, IF YOU HAVE PROOF THAT THEY ARE UPLOADING THE CONTENT THEMSELVES SUE THEM BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A CRIME.

the point is if i "backed up" my copy of dark knight to the torrent sites, i would not be making any money from that. As the user i would not get a penny of the money from the advertising that site would make.

but as the betamax case proves, companies like sony can make money selling goods that fulfil fair use rights. Torrent sites that faciliates my "back up" rights have similar rights to make money.

they only reason you can buy a car from gm is becuase of property laws which date back to the destruction of feudism in europe.

The point i am making (and it is valid) GM has to respect those property laws and build a business that conforms to that legal enviroment. those laws prevent gm for setting up an economic feifdom around their created asset.

The sole reason you can claim that i am not buying anything is because that is the way copyright law is written (the problem is that is only for NON FAIR USE uses)

If GM suddenly said we want to go back to the feudism system, where you can only licience the use of the car, property laws allow you to say fuck you.

Like wise if you were to try and claim your exclusive rights for fair use uses of your content, section 107 of the act grants me the right to say fuck you.

I am not defrauding out of anything providing fair use usage services because your exclusive rights don't exist for that scope.

Please leave gideongallery. Every moment you are here is just a waste of your time and amusement for me. I'm going to follow you everywhere I see you on this board and continue to point out that you do NOTHING and only try to justify (poorly I might add) theft.

Why don't you get off of GFY and try to do SOMETHING constructive with your life instead of being a squatter and a bum?

LEAVE

So you agree that in some cases, such as the one I mentioned previous, copyright infringement and theft are equatable and interchangeable?

Good. We've obviously made a breakthrough.

That's all I wanted to get straight here.

Sure it is. You said theft doesn't apply to copyright infringement cases. I just showed you how in some instances it can and does. I never said it applied in every case, of course it doesn't. You are the one arguing that it never applies, and now you've been shown that it can apply.

And you agreed. My work is done here. :D

why argue with an idiot?

has anyone from brazzers commented in this thread?

Drama........

no i said it was illegal
illegal != theft.
because fraud is illegal too.


theft does not apply
it has never applied
that does not mean that copyright infringement is legal, or right or whatever you guys keep trying to misrepresent my statment to be.

I have saying copyright infringement is a crime, all i am saying is when you misrepresent it as theft gives it a level of absoluteness that it is not entitled too.

Wjixx arguement about the illegality of fencing and trying to apply it to copyright absolutely proves the point i am making

As yourself why is it a crime,it because the possession of that item proves one element of the crime. for you to have that item to sell in the back alley (assuming it was my camera) i do not have possession of that item. The combination of you having possession of something you can't prove you own, establishes the criminality of the action.


now look at CRIA case i referenced in response
while their original arguement made by CRIA in the case would be consistant with your theft analogy you have posession of the song (because you downloaded it), you did not buy it from us (you don't own the cd, itunes download etc) so therefore you are guilty.

IF copyright infringment is theft that would have been enough.

However copyright infringment is possession with a false claim or a right of possession (fraud) which allowed an arguement that ultimately won our under the law.

CRIA talked the government into taxing me with a piracy tax, to compensate them for all the explicitly unauthorized personal copying. (offer) the government agreed to implement such a tax (acceptance) and the government paid them the money from that levy (consideration). That is the three requirements of a valid contract (licience). The act of downloading in canada is 100% legal becuase it was paid for.

by misrepresenting copyright infringement as theft you criminalize behavour that is legal and give the copyright holders rights not granted under the law (the right to double and triple charge for the same content -- as in this example).

because what he is wrong about destroy trillions of dollars of legal business to protect duplicate income he is not entitled too.

sorry typo should be out not our

actually I fucked up and listed adultblacklist as being thieves, that would be incorrect.

INDUSTRYBLACKLIST.COM are the fucking low life thieves
I have no rub with adultblacklist and they are prolly fine folks, my apologies to them

my bad brain fart....just wanted to clear that up

hey Im old....

Is right or wrong only defined by legal hairsplitting? Is the law the only instance? Censorship and arresting people for voicing their opinion china is ok because it's their law?

This fair use thing is just a legal excuse for something that's socially and ethically unacceptable. It's arrogant and denies facts noone with common sense would deny.

Bottom line: It's just an example why our society goes down the drain.

So where we at with this? Oh yeah thats right...

NO WHERE!

Keep on rolling Brazziers! Take that money while these guys cry about it and do absolutly nothing to stop you!

we are not talking about right or wrong, we are talking about how legitimate it is to call brazzer actions theft. Theft is a legal term, and therefore completely bound by what the law says.

the religious right thinks this entire industry should not exist even though it is perfectly legal, do you really want to make the arguement that something that is illegal just because some group (with a clear bias) considers it wrong.

It is working quite well, Thanks for the tip, We now have 400 pending removals on that site , thanks for the heads up:thumbsup

This board is going to make you go completely mental then. :1orglaugh