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Robbie 07-28-2008 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 14524207)
This board is going to make you go completely mental then. :1orglaugh

I've been doing so much work rendering video lately that I have had plenty of spare time to go berserk. LOL In reality I just laugh at some of the shit...but I'm sure if someone walks up to me in real life and tells me that they are going to take my shit and they have "fair use" and "safe harbor" to make money off of it....My smile would probably disappear. And so would their smile. :)

V_RocKs 07-29-2008 02:29 AM

Gideon should write mainstream blogs because that fucker is one hell of a windbag about shit he knows nothing about..

Imagine if you will, he is selling LCD TV's at $2,500 a pop and making $125 a sale....

He really missed his calling kissing Brazzers ass.

jimmycash 07-29-2008 05:16 AM

They license all the content you see.
 
They license all the content you see.

Nothing illegal abou it


I guess that's too tough to imagine, huh?

commonsense 07-29-2008 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycash (Post 14524871)
They license all the content you see.

Nothing illegal abou it


I guess that's too tough to imagine, huh?

You the official spokesman for Brazzers?

gideongallery 07-30-2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14524589)
Gideon should write mainstream blogs because that fucker is one hell of a windbag about shit he knows nothing about..

the only reason you think i don't know anything about piracy is because of your bias

Your analogy of theft to piracy is applying a physical criminal act to a virtual criminal act.

When i applied physical rights to virtual rights robbie attacked me saying that the anology was wrong, the point is it was your anology i was using.

[QUOTE]....You aren't BUYING anything. So how can you analogize that to GM selling me a fucking car?

[QUOTE]

think about for a second , you can't buy content (only licience it) which means you can never own the content

the criminality test for theft is possession without ownership.

so what exactly is the concequence of never being able to having ownership (only authorization) to that test.

we both know that liciencing content for tube distribution is not copyright infringment/piracy. So if brazzer was to licience chokers content for their tube site they would not be guilty of piracy

yet if we applied your representation of theft and the criminality test that goes with it to this 100% legal transaction

brazzer would have possession (true) and not have ownership (!False =true)

both conditions would be true, therefore they would be guilty of theft and thru your equality guilty of piracy.

this should have rung bells in your head saying "ding ding ding piracy is not theft"

because the condition of transaction (no ownership only authorization) makes you guilty even when you are 100% innocent.


Apply the test of fraud
distribution with a misrepresentation of authorization

distribution (true) with a misrepresentation of authorization (false)

results in the correct answer not guilty of piracy.

your bias blinds you to the fact that your test makes everyone guilty, while mine comes to the right answer when you are actually innocent.

V_RocKs 07-30-2008 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmycash (Post 14524871)
They license all the content you see.

Nothing illegal abou it


I guess that's too tough to imagine, huh?

If you mean on the tubes I have to differ.

I have had many ICQ conversations with many producers and program owners and so far they have yet to have a license for a single video (except for their own).

slapass 09-01-2008 07:34 AM

[QUOTE=gideongallery;14530903]the only reason you think i don't know anything about piracy is because of your bias

Your analogy of theft to piracy is applying a physical criminal act to a virtual criminal act.

When i applied physical rights to virtual rights robbie attacked me saying that the anology was wrong, the point is it was your anology i was using.

[QUOTE]....You aren't BUYING anything. So how can you analogize that to GM selling me a fucking car?

Quote:


think about for a second , you can't buy content (only licience it) which means you can never own the content

the criminality test for theft is possession without ownership.

so what exactly is the concequence of never being able to having ownership (only authorization) to that test.

we both know that liciencing content for tube distribution is not copyright infringment/piracy. So if brazzer was to licience chokers content for their tube site they would not be guilty of piracy

yet if we applied your representation of theft and the criminality test that goes with it to this 100% legal transaction

brazzer would have possession (true) and not have ownership (!False =true)

both conditions would be true, therefore they would be guilty of theft and thru your equality guilty of piracy.

this should have rung bells in your head saying "ding ding ding piracy is not theft"

because the condition of transaction (no ownership only authorization) makes you guilty even when you are 100% innocent.


Apply the test of fraud
distribution with a misrepresentation of authorization

distribution (true) with a misrepresentation of authorization (false)

results in the correct answer not guilty of piracy.

your bias blinds you to the fact that your test makes everyone guilty, while mine comes to the right answer when you are actually innocent.
The law is pretty clear on licensing things. No need to rewrite it but you can "license" something for resale and all kinds of things. It is a form of limited ownership/rights.

Your leg to stand on is it is possible do to the muddiness of the internet that it is possible to take a video and display it on your site so easily that you might not know it is stealing is crazy. A small child might take an apple from a store front and not know that it is wrong but it still is even though it is easy to do.

wheat 09-01-2008 08:53 AM

Here's how I look at it. As long as Freeones links to Brazzers stuff, then it's not like the sales I send are going to make any kind of noticeable difference.

gideongallery 09-01-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 14693256)
The law is pretty clear on licensing things. No need to rewrite it but you can "license" something for resale and all kinds of things. It is a form of limited ownership/rights.

It's like being pregnant either you are or you aren't, you can't be 25% pregnant. In this case either you own it or you can not. The fact that you can only licience it use means that the theft can not apply (fraud does). The problem with applying fraud criminality test is that there is a lot of stuff you guys are pretending is a crime which is in fact perfectly legal. If i have bought a right to view the content (licience) then i have a fair use right to timeshift that right to view, i have a right to backup that content, and to recover that content. I may even have a right to access shift that content. And i am perfectly within my right to use the cheapest provider of such services (torrents, tube sites etc).

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Your leg to stand on is it is possible do to the muddiness of the internet that it is possible to take a video and display it on your site so easily that you might not know it is stealing is crazy. A small child might take an apple from a store front and not know that it is wrong but it still is even though it is easy to do.
we are not talking about me taking content and putting it up on the site myself we are talking about providing a service that allows people to put up content they purchased a right to view, for the purpose of access shifting/time shifting, recovery, backup because the original content liciencor refuses to fullfil those fair use responsiblities.

Don't like piracy provide for those fair use rights for free, then you can take away the fair use arguement (as in the decss case) from all the site pirating your content.

gideongallery 09-01-2008 09:33 AM

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Your leg to stand on is it is possible do to the muddiness of the internet that it is possible to take a video and display it on your site so easily that you might not know it is stealing is crazy. A small child might take an apple from a store front and not know that it is wrong but it still is even though it is easy to do.

btw i have never said that piracy was right, piracy is wrong. however a lot of the stuff you guys are claiming is piracy is just fair use distribution of your content. It is legitimate because you guys refuse to meet your fair use responsiblities, and therefore the market is creating competition to do so.

Robbie 09-01-2008 09:38 AM

Sigh...yes you can license it. Franchises do it all the time in the "real" world. When you grow up gideongallery, you will be thankful that your communistic ideas and free-loading attitude didn't apply to your parents. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money and keep a roof over your head.

signupdamnit 09-01-2008 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wheat (Post 14693538)
Here's how I look at it. As long as Freeones links to Brazzers stuff, then it's not like the sales I send are going to make any kind of noticeable difference.

Why would you send them anything regardless though? They are shady and could likely pull the plug on you at any minute. Eventually they ill not need or want you.

"I'll give you $100 if you dig your own grave....."

gideongallery 09-01-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 14693684)
Sigh...yes you can license it. Franchises do it all the time in the "real" world. When you grow up gideongallery, you will be thankful that your communistic ideas and free-loading attitude didn't apply to your parents. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to make money and keep a roof over your head.

i love the communist arguement again, interesting considering that the fair use economy is 6 trillion dollars which is an order of magnitude bigger than all the piracy claimed by all the industries in the US.

Funny how supporting the bigger economic principle is communistic just because it your industry that "hurt". Adam smith's invisible hand at work, if anything my view is overly free market.

Enemator 09-01-2008 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 14427035)
I don't believe that. If you look into most of them you will find non-USA, non-Canadian webmasters that don't plan on setting foot on our soil.

However, you are partially correct in your statement since there is a company like Brazzers or AFF supporting the site.

Right, so...if somebody says "big player" it actually MEANS American of Canadian? :1orglaugh

Robbie 09-01-2008 11:24 AM

The "fair use economy" gideongallery...that is hilarious. People stealing others work with NO purpose or intent other than to profit from it is NOT fair use.

But I suppose that you being unemployed and living at home with your mommy and daddy IS fair use. So carry on troll. Carry on...

Enemator 09-01-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 14518183)
You know...I thought communism was pretty much a failed and dead experiment.

Regardless of this topic and all the shit that's been slung..but you must have been living with your head up your ass if you really thought that :1orglaugh

Ever heard of this small country called CHINA? They only have 1.3 billion people living there so I guess it's not something most people would have heard of. But hey...


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