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Raym 07-11-2008 11:07 PM

When I walk my Great Dane and my Pitbull, It is always the little dogs that aren't on a leash, because they have irresponsible owners, that come running up trying to pick a fight. The dane and the pit look at they them like they are crazy. But if anything ever happened the fucking headline would read "Pitbull chews up a 10lb shit dog"

Raym 07-11-2008 11:26 PM

This is my Beautiful wife Nina Mercedez and our "mean" pit-bull, Hercules.

http://www.ninamercedezxxx.com/gfy/baby_herc.jpg

Superterrorizer 07-11-2008 11:38 PM

Why are smaller dogs more likely to bite? Because people _accept_ bad behavior from small dogs. If a larger breed did the same kind of shit a small breed did, it would not be accepted. Why? Because it's cute to watch little dogs go nuts and be dominant and agressive. Not so cute when it's a strong powerful beast jumping on the couch or trying to corner someone. This isn't about fucking weiner dogs being aggressive, this is about dog owners who have _NO FUCKING CLUE_ how dogs live, how a pack works, or even how to treat a dog. I am pretty much willing to say that 99.9% of the time a dog bites is because it's not properly trained.

They make shock collars, prong collars, choke collars for little dogs. Little dogs think exactly the same as big dogs. If people only TREATED the little dogs like dogs instead of babies, we wouldn't be seeing completely retarded news reports like this. If that weiner dog lunges at someone, you correct the shit out of that dog. Just because he's a fucking 10lbs piece of shit doesn't mean he can't take a correction.

And to see so many of you people say such stupid shit, and you're dog owners? Fuck. I have two big dogs (65lbs+), I tolerate _NOTHING_. If they fuck up, they are corrected immediately. They know that there is nothing worse than not listening to me. They know I mean absolute fucking business. There is an old saying, "You tell a dog once." And it's absolutely true. Train your dog right and it's not going to bite anybody.

Dog bites boil down to poor handling skills and weak pack leadership, period.

Superterrorizer 07-11-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raym (Post 14451151)
This is my Beautiful wife Nina Mercedez and our "mean" pit-bull, Hercules.

http://www.ninamercedezxxx.com/gfy/baby_herc.jpg

What a savage beast. It looks like he is sleeping after ripping that poor woman in half. He's absolutely out of control. Quick, someone, call the spca.

Raym 07-11-2008 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Superterrorizer (Post 14451169)
Why are smaller dogs more likely to bite? Because people _accept_ bad behavior from small dogs. If a larger breed did the same kind of shit a small breed did, it would not be accepted. Why? Because it's cute to watch little dogs go nuts and be dominant and agressive. Not so cute when it's a strong powerful beast jumping on the couch or trying to corner someone. This isn't about fucking weiner dogs being aggressive, this is about dog owners who have _NO FUCKING CLUE_ how dogs live, how a pack works, or even how to treat a dog. I am pretty much willing to say that 99.9% of the time a dog bites is because it's not properly trained.

They make shock collars, prong collars, choke collars for little dogs. Little dogs think exactly the same as big dogs. If people only TREATED the little dogs like dogs instead of babies, we wouldn't be seeing completely retarded news reports like this. If that weiner dog lunges at someone, you correct the shit out of that dog. Just because he's a fucking 10lbs piece of shit doesn't mean he can't take a correction.

And to see so many of you people say such stupid shit, and you're dog owners? Fuck. I have two big dogs (65lbs+), I tolerate _NOTHING_. If they fuck up, they are corrected immediately. They know that there is nothing worse than not listening to me. They know I mean absolute fucking business. There is an old saying, "You tell a dog once." And it's absolutely true. Train your dog right and it's not going to bite anybody.

Dog bites boil down to poor handling skills and weak pack leadership, period.

10000% Fucking Truth!!!:thumbsup:thumbsup

Superterrorizer 07-11-2008 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Raym (Post 14451175)
10000% Fucking Truth!!!:thumbsup:thumbsup

It really is. I have been taking my dogs to an _amazing_ behaviorist/obedience school and understanding how to use the different types of training collars has made both of my dogs absolutely _WONDERFUL_ pets. Treat a dog like a dog. A fucking alpha wolf isn't going to take a disobedient subordiant over his knee and spank them, or scold them, He's going to fucking _WHOOP_ their ass. And if my dogs a bad, I fucking _WHOOP_ them. And you know what? It doesn't happen very often. My dogs know, so they obey. Dogs are way smarter than you think, and if it's options are either do what I say, or get a HARD correction, they're going to listen. And they are better dogs because of it.

dig420 07-11-2008 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Superterrorizer (Post 14451189)
It really is. I have been taking my dogs to an _amazing_ behaviorist/obedience school and understanding how to use the different types of training collars has made both of my dogs absolutely _WONDERFUL_ pets. Treat a dog like a dog. A fucking alpha wolf isn't going to take a disobedient subordiant over his knee and spank them, or scold them, He's going to fucking _WHOOP_ their ass. And if my dogs a bad, I fucking _WHOOP_ them. And you know what? It doesn't happen very often. My dogs know, so they obey. Dogs are way smarter than you think, and if it's options are either do what I say, or get a HARD correction, they're going to listen. And they are better dogs because of it.

I've never hit my dog and he behaves absolutely correctly. You need to read some training books, odds are your dog isn't nearly as under control as you make him out to be. I've NEVER seen a Pit corrected with violence that wasn't aching to dish some out himself.

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Superterrorizer 07-12-2008 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14451205)
I've never hit my dog and he behaves absolutely correctly. You need to read some training books, odds are your dog isn't nearly as under control as you make him out to be. I've NEVER seen a Pit corrected with violence that wasn't aching to dish some out himself.

http://www.coldcoffee.com/me/bubba.jpg


Where did I say I hit my dogs? I don't hit my dogs, and I never will hit my dogs. However, a correction with a prong collar is a _completely_ different story. I have no problem with that at all.

Superterrorizer 07-12-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14451205)
I've never hit my dog and he behaves absolutely correctly. You need to read some training books, odds are your dog isn't nearly as under control as you make him out to be. I've NEVER seen a Pit corrected with violence that wasn't aching to dish some out himself.

http://www.coldcoffee.com/me/bubba.jpg

And too add, gorgeous dog. And yes, pitbulls are definitely going to react differently to a hard correction, they are genetically made up that way. There a muzzles, there are choke collars that take the air completely away from the dog that can be utilized in situations like those. My dogs aren't pits, and I guarantee you they are as under control as I make them out to be.

dig420 07-12-2008 01:29 AM

Blunt prong collars are just fine, they don't cause any harm and in fact Pits can't even feel the correction without the prongs. That's how I trained mine, with the help of a professional and you couldn't make him bite you if you tried. Unless you're a dog, but that just goes with the breed. I keep him away from all dogs because even though he generally won't attack first, he will respond savagely if they come after him.

Walrus 07-12-2008 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14451306)
Blunt prong collars are just fine, they don't cause any harm and in fact Pits can't even feel the correction without the prongs. That's how I trained mine, with the help of a professional and you couldn't make him bite you if you tried. Unless you're a dog, but that just goes with the breed. I keep him away from all dogs because even though he generally won't attack first, he will respond savagely if they come after him.

I'm a little confused as to how you thought Superterrrorizer was "hitting" his dogs when you are obviously familar with what "corrections" and prong collars are.

That said, did either of you try to convince your dog first before you coerced them into learning a new behavior? I'm not trying to step on either one of you's toes here... but I meet so many people who aren't even aware of Positive Reinforcement based dog training. Where you convince the dog to learn a new behavior or cue. This also makes them use their own head. It's the difference between pulling your child's arm really hard to get him to do something... as compared to offering them $10 dollars to rake the leaves. It's all about rewards. Dogs love to work.

Now I know the argument about prong collars. People will defend those things to death. They will say that they don't put any harm on the dog, and in fact it can actually massage the neck. Nobody really knows this for sure though. How can you ask the dog this? There's no way to get real feedback from them. And wouldn't you rather get the dog to "think" on his own anyway?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against prong collars. The way I learned about dog training is that you start from teaching your dog postive reinforcement first... and then if it doesn't work.. then that is when you take a step down to more traditional methods such as the prong collar. Again, I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here... I just think a lot of people are highly unaware, or maybe misunderstand, these newer dog training methods that have become really popular in the past 10 years (for dogs).

dig420 07-12-2008 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Walrus (Post 14452105)
I'm a little confused as to how you thought Superterrrorizer was "hitting" his dogs when you are obviously familar with what "corrections" and prong collars are.

That said, did either of you try to convince your dog first before you coerced them into learning a new behavior? I'm not trying to step on either one of you's toes here... but I meet so many people who aren't even aware of Positive Reinforcement based dog training. Where you convince the dog to learn a new behavior or cue. This also makes them use their own head. It's the difference between pulling your child's arm really hard to get him to do something... as compared to offering them $10 dollars to rake the leaves. It's all about rewards. Dogs love to work.

Now I know the argument about prong collars. People will defend those things to death. They will say that they don't put any harm on the dog, and in fact it can actually massage the neck. Nobody really knows this for sure though. How can you ask the dog this? There's no way to get real feedback from them. And wouldn't you rather get the dog to "think" on his own anyway?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against prong collars. The way I learned about dog training is that you start from teaching your dog postive reinforcement first... and then if it doesn't work.. then that is when you take a step down to more traditional methods such as the prong collar. Again, I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here... I just think a lot of people are highly unaware, or maybe misunderstand, these newer dog training methods that have become really popular in the past 10 years (for dogs).

about four posts up, if you bothered to read the thread, where he said "I -WHOOP- them". Clear enough?

Yes, you use a combination of the positive reward method and the prong collar. The collar is used mostly to teach them how to walk on a leash. Pits are pullers, they love sled competitions etc, and if you try pulling the leash to keep them from yanking your arm off they'll just yank harder. The prongs aren't painful for them, but they can feel them. You use positive rewards to teach them to stay, sit, come etc.

Farang 07-12-2008 12:15 PM

Pitbulls are great, took this picture few hours ago.

http://www.dopetraffic.com/1207.jpg

Walrus 07-12-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14452537)
about four posts up, if you bothered to read the thread, where he said "I -WHOOP- them". Clear enough?

Yes, you use a combination of the positive reward method and the prong collar. The collar is used mostly to teach them how to walk on a leash. Pits are pullers, they love sled competitions etc, and if you try pulling the leash to keep them from yanking your arm off they'll just yank harder. The prongs aren't painful for them, but they can feel them. You use positive rewards to teach them to stay, sit, come etc.

Saying "whoop-them" in this case was clear to me as a figure of speech. If he hadn't mentioned "correction" or "prong" then I may have viewed it same way as you. But that wasn't my main point in my response.

Judging by what you just said here, it does appear to me that you aren't very familar with dogs other than pits, or PR (positive reinforcement). I don't mean to say that to ridicule you either. But please be honest and don't say you understand it all when you don't. You are talking like you do.

If you did know, you would know that you can teach a dog to loose leash walk by more than just the traditional way of using a prong/choke. Ini PR (Positive Reinforcement), one can use a head halter, or an anti-pulling harness such as the EasyWalk. These are just tools though. To teach a dog to loose leash walk you would take the dog for a walk... and as soon as he starts pulling you would stop. Wait for the dog to look back at you and for the leash to be loose. You would then click and treate. And then repeat. There are variations on this too.

I have walked pit bulls, german shepherds, rottweillers, etc... and this method works just fine. Pit bulls aren't special snowflakes when it comes to pulling. ALL dogs pull. You put a leash on an untrained dog and they pull. It is natural for them to only pull. Take a leash off, and they don't pull.

dig420 07-12-2008 05:04 PM

Yes of course, Pits have no special affinity for pulling. And you're a genius.

Walrus 07-12-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420 (Post 14453321)
Yes of course, Pits have no special affinity for pulling. And you're a genius.

Boo hoo.

Warren 07-12-2008 08:51 PM

See avatar, the sweetest couple on this planet.

dig420 07-13-2008 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Walrus (Post 14453844)
Boo hoo.

what, I'm sad because you're an idiot posing as an expert? It would take you all of two minutes with google to figure out why your post is ignorant. Let's see if you can figure it out.


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