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if you really think im going to all the effort for you and put paragraphs,commas etc you have no chance unless you booking my nude cleaning services or promo girls :thumbsup

This thread is about pleading guilty, not being found guilty. Max was the latter.

thanks for pointing that out pocketkangaroo


But I still think a name avoids confusion as its totally unfair on a biz when you have to guess and you make the wrong choice for something they havent done.

I ve looked and googled and all I come up with is Lawrence G. Walters now if thats not correct it be a big injustice to them

arrrrr its all gone quiet so is it Lawrence G. Walters dont panic because l mentioned a name just say yes or icq me and I will post it.

Lawyers are very expensive lets all find out who are the best ones and help the industry :)

let them sue me not you..... let me be your lemming that gets to fall over the cliff :thumbsup

Would you quit your fucking crying already.

What are you on about siccmade go have another beer :thumbsup

Do you not recal the title you choose for this topic?

shut your trap you brainless bimbo.
you have already shown how unknowledgeable you are at everthing.
for christ sake just accept that you wear tshirts and try to act smart.
you should be talking about legal shit about as much as some 400 lb
fucker should be talking about personal training. fuck off already.

Because he can negotiate a good plea bargain :2 cents::2 cents:

federal cases are NOT like standard state cases

if you take a federal case to trial and LOSE you will get stuck with everything the prosecutor can throw at you & the courts don't look kindly on you wasting their time (you are guilty after all)

this is why 95% of federal indictments end up in a plea of some sort

fed time is 85%, mandatory minimums & guidelines fuck a lot of people over (ie, 10 years MINIMUM for like 1 gram of crack)...

they scare people into convictions & pleas

i'd rather take 5 years than try to take a stand for the adult industry, spend thousands of dollars (fed attorneys & trials cost like 3-4x as much as state), and risk a shitload of time for multiple obscenity & money laundering convictions... its fucked up


take a look at this: http://www.famm.org/ExploreSentencin...Injustice.aspx

just because you feel you're not guilty are you willing to take that chance? the feds don't indict like the standard cop can arrest you... a grand jury decides if the evidence against a specific party is significant enough to proceed with charges

Blame the attornies client

:2 cents: :
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Did you ever go to school ?

Well I'll be damned, a serious fucking discussion on gfy, whoda thunk it.

Do you ever shut the fuck up?

Excuse me...I have to go snort coke and shoot heroine at the Xbiz show now.

Who the fuck asked you to guess?

If you had Googled it right off the bat then you would not be polluting my thread with this bullshit.

Kindly piss off. :321GFY

Touché. :thumbsup

I was going to point that out too :thumbsup

Who the fuck asked you? :winkwink:

in the end... thats why i didnt point it out.. :1orglaugh

have some fun at the show for me...

:pimp

Trying to get out of here. Sitting around all dolled up like the hottie that I am while Dom is taking her sweet ass time slipping into her skin tight dress.

Spot on. The advice from the lawyer is spend $100k and more and I might get you off, but it will bankrupt you and if fight and lose you will go to prison for a very long time. Plead guilty and it will be a fine or reduced sentence.

What you also have to consider is the case the prosecution had against the defendant. Was the defendant guilty? Lots of cases we see recently are easy to win for the prosecution.

Then Aaron and all the others flaming the lawyer, before you criticise others what amount of money are you going to put towards the cost of the court case?

Because this is the bottom line, you want someone else to put up a lot of money to save your ass from getting caught down the line.

Will those who think defendants in the future should plead innocent and fight the case kindly also state how much money they are prepared to put towards a fund to pay for the future trials.

Otherwise STFU because telling someone else to risk their money and liberty on a pointless thread on GFY is about the extent of this industry "coming together".

Aaron how much money will you pledge?

The FSC has solicited donations for a long time and many people on this forum (myself included) have donated to it.

Well she could use me as a shoehorn if you dont mind :winkwink:

kidding... get out there and do your thing....

It was a piece of advice to you, not a request. I'm not the one looking like an idiot for spewing incoherent drivel.

I have, and anyone that thinks the defendant should go ahead and pay out the money just because you think they "could win" should be offering a ton of cash to help with their legal expenses if you are that concerned with the legal precedence.

To busy trying to get 2257 overturned so more people can put up more porn that might be illegal. No the people bitching here should be offering to pay for the lawyers and serve the time. :Oh crap

The FSC lawyers have been defending almost all the obscenity cases that have come up.

I honestly do think it could be a problem UNLESS the client truly wanted to plead guilty and really didn't want to fight. Now if the lawyer is just being lazy and not wanting to fight, then yes we may have problems

Yeah...That sounds reasonable.

I'll pay your legal fees AND serve your sentence.

Brilliant. :thumbsup

STFU Paul.

No court means more money in his pocket. It's as simple as that.

Speaking of kangaroo courts,this is one Claire!

I don't know who the lawyer is either, but I bet you could give him a rise in his legal briefs.

Wondering if it's the infamous "EB"?

Um.... plea bargains do not "set precedent" in the way that fully adjudicated cases do.

If the government charges me with distributing obscene materials, and then I plead out to a lesser charge (or even to the original charge) this would have a negligible effect on the adult industry at large, for the simple reason that no trier of fact (i.e. jury or judge) has rendered a ruling.... which rather mitigates the value of the case in terms of "precedent." :winkwink:

Before we fly off the handle and say "this lawyer is giving bad advice," or "this lawyer is settling cases and that hurts the industry," it might be good to consider how criminal and civil procedure work, and then reconsider whether such plea bargains are really a "serious adult industry legal concern."

Why don't plea bargains set precedent? Well, how fair would it be for the court to issue a ruling in a case that is going to trial based on a case that did not go to trial? The facts of the case that was plead out could be identical to those in a subsequent case, but a plea bargain by its very nature means that the legal arguments available to that particular defense attorney were not tested before that court.

As a judge presiding over a subsequent trial with similar facts, you can't very well turn to the defense and say "well, this here attorney two years ago plead out a similar case in which constitutional challenges were available to him, so now I'm rejecting your First Amendment argument without comment or analysis."

It just doesn't work that way.... period.

What, are you fucking kidding me? This is GFY, we do no such thing! Consideration, pfffft!

Hi Aaron.

Good point!!!

this is possible!!!

Interesting information.

Thank you for the explanation, Quentin.

So true and seconded. However improved punctuation does not help the complete lack of knowledge on the subject she is speaking about. Claire do yourself a favor and STFU already your mindlessness makes my brain hurt.


Aaron I have been thinking about this a lot lately actually and I thank you for starting this post as it nice to hear others views and know I am not alone in this concern.

lol I just had to do it, it was right there waiting for someone to say it. :winkwink: