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mikesouth 07-12-2008 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14451250)
Then youre doing something wrong. I can leave it on for weeks without crashing. If i can do that then you are clearly doing something wrong.
nope it sits there doing nothing most of the time I only use it to stream hd movies to my HDTV

half the time I turn it on and its locked up and even the three finger salute wont get its attention

and yes it auto updates...face it its a turd you think it isnt ask yourself this...would i run my sites on it?

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14452295)
nope it sits there doing nothing most of the time I only use it to stream hd movies to my HDTV

half the time I turn it on and its locked up and even the three finger salute wont get its attention

and yes it auto updates...face it its a turd you think it isnt ask yourself this...would i run my sites on it?
When does it crash? Is it a crash or a reboot? Make sure you dont have updates turned to auto update, or the computer will reboot.

tony286 07-12-2008 10:29 AM
Im saying black waiting for sticky to come in and say white. lol

mikesouth 07-12-2008 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14452304)
When does it crash? Is it a crash or a reboot? Make sure you dont have updates turned to auto update, or the computer will reboot.
i dont care if it reboots what it does is lock up perpetually doing god knows what you have to hard power down to get it back up

is it a surprise here that a windows product isnt stable in a 24/7 environment? has there ever been one that is?

has windows ever released an OS that you would run your money generating sites on?

Dirty F 07-12-2008 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14451965)
Ive had 0 issues with vista on any of my machines. End of story lol. Doesn't crash, doesn't have program compatibility issues, isn't a resource hog.
The sheep will ignore posts like this. But if someone who read somewhere from someone who read somewhere that someones brother said that Vista needs 4 gigs to run then they sure will remember that and mention it everywhere they can.

just a punk 07-12-2008 10:42 AM
Wow! 55 posts about some piece of shit.

Dirty F 07-12-2008 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14452311)
is it a surprise here that a windows product isnt stable in a 24/7 environment?
Vista is very stable. I can leave my computer on for weeks without it crashing. You must be doing something very wrong. Dont blame Vista for it man, blame yourself or your computer.

andrej_NDC 07-12-2008 11:01 AM
Got in on my new laptop, too, I really tried to give it a try, but I re-installed it with XP Pro after 10 minutes. Its slow compared to XP. And I have 3Gb RAM.

andrej_NDC 07-12-2008 11:03 AM
It has some nice stuff though.

Dirty F 07-12-2008 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC (Post 14452389)
Got in on my new laptop, too, I really tried to give it a try, but I re-installed it with XP Pro after 10 minutes. Its slow compared to XP. And I have 3Gb RAM.
Its faster than XP. You did something wrong.

just a punk 07-12-2008 11:53 AM
Blah-blah-blah...

Now a few facts:
http://news.cnet.com/Windows-XP-outs....html?hhTest=1
http://vista.blorge.com/2008/02/08/v...pre-sp1-vista/
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...st-72059.shtml
http://www.builderau.com.au/news/soa...9281221,00.htm
http://exo-blog.blogspot.com/2007/11...nce-gains.html
and so on...

Dirty F 07-12-2008 12:02 PM

wow, all these "new facts" are 5 different links about the same topic. That XP sp3 is faster. Very possible. I never tried sp3 but if they tested it then i sure believe that.

But now explain how Vista is a piece of shit as you said a few posts above.

Funny how its clear in this thread and for example the comments in the last link you posted that everyone who actually runs Vista loves it and 90% of the bashers only have read about it. Its cool to bash Vista right? Youre one of the cool guys if you do that.

dmhubby 07-12-2008 12:03 PM
I am former Unix Admin and Windows MCSE ...

Two years ago I switched my work computers and family computers to Macs. I've not regreeted it for 1 second. Best choice ever, the amount of time I spend now maintaining 5 computers between myself wife & kids is almost nothing. Previously I was rebuilding my sons Windows boxes every 6 months because of spyware and shit that creeps in no matter how hard we tried to keep them clean.

Gillespie 07-12-2008 12:06 PM
I use vista on my laptop and desktop and have used Linux on them before as well as XP. Linux is the only thing I would run on servers, however for home and business use I recommend the Windows platform.

I've used Vista successfully, running practically anything I want on it, without any problems or issues related with incompatibility between XP and Vista. I do have a powerful PC and a laptop that is fairly fast.

If your computer is powerful, either Vista or XP SP2, SP3 is alright. I like Vista better because of the improved visual elements. Otherwise it is practically the same as XP.

Dirty F 07-12-2008 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dmhubby (Post 14452542)
I am former Unix Admin and Windows MCSE ...

Two years ago I switched my work computers and family computers to Macs. I've not regreeted it for 1 second. Best choice ever, the amount of time I spend now maintaining 5 computers between myself wife & kids is almost nothing. Previously I was rebuilding my sons Windows boxes every 6 months because of spyware and shit that creeps in no matter how hard we tried to keep them clean.
When i ran xp i was constantly busy with cleaning up the puter, removing shit, crashes etc etc. Since i have Vista its been as smooth as possible. It never crashes, i rarely have to reboot...i basically have no problems whatsoever. This is the first time in all my years working with Windows.

Dirty F 07-12-2008 01:02 PM
Cyberxxx, come on, explain us why its such a piece of shit. Id really like to know.

mikesouth 07-12-2008 01:33 PM
well dirty f like it or not it crashes just idling and nothing is wrong with it other than it is unstable. deal with it

Im a UNIX admin, I taught college classes on UNIX Internals and I can tell you windows still hasnt gotten memory sharing right. Instead of trying to maintain backwards compatibility microsoft needed to do a complete overhaul from the ground up, a protected kernel ala UNIX would be a good fucking start. Its a turd man..no matter how much spin you put on it trying to call it miracle grow its still just bullshit

Dirty F 07-12-2008 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14452738)
well dirty f like it or not it crashes just idling and nothing is wrong with it other than it is unstable. deal with it
So why doesnt it crash on my computer? I have my puter on 24/7 most of the time and i cant even remember the last time it crashed. Like it or not, youre doing something wrong.
Its the most stable consumer OS from MS so far. Deal with it.

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14452753)
So why doesnt it crash on my computer? I have my puter on 24/7 most of the time and i cant even remember the last time it crashed. Like it or not, youre doing something wrong.
Its the most stable consumer OS from MS so far. Deal with it.
I agree. My laptop and desktop are both on 24/7 My encoding boxes are also on vista running 24/7 and running encodes every night under full 100% that whole time. I NEVER have crashes. I built all my boxes, and of course didnt build the laptop. NO problems on anything. Everything I ran on XP I run on Vista. Can't be an OS problem sounds like hardware issues to me if you have problems. :2 cents:

just a punk 07-12-2008 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14452534)
wow, all these "new facts" are 5 different links about the same topic. That XP sp3 is faster. Very possible. I never tried sp3 but if they tested it then i sure believe that.
Wanna more links?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14452534)
But now explain how Vista is a piece of shit as you said a few posts above.
Do you mean why? Very easy. Vista is a piece of shit because of...

just a punk 07-12-2008 02:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 14452673)
Cyberxxx, come on, explain us why its such a piece of shit. Id really like to know.
1) Vista is spying on you
2) What's wrong with Microsoft Windows Vista?

Any more questions? :)

just a punk 07-12-2008 02:59 PM
DRM in Windows Vista

buyandsell 07-12-2008 03:03 PM
its slow and lame

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14452944)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14452950)
yawn. Here is my article. It fuckin works and works great for me. I don't run 5 year old equipment and I have no issues. I forgot its cool to hate on Vista lol

Dirty F 07-12-2008 03:48 PM
Haha freak. I seriously will read that stuff tomorrow. About to log now.

just a punk 07-12-2008 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453031)
yawn. Here is my article. It fuckin works and works great for me. I don't run 5 year old equipment and I have no issues. I forgot its cool to hate on Vista lol
Your article? Are you IT expert? No? So why someone should listen to it? I was working as system programmer during 5 years (was writing low-level code for MS-DOS and Win32 OS's), but I don't post my own toughs here. Not because I had no experience with Vista (I had), but because I know that the ppl here won't be interested to read it. That's why I posted a link to Peter Gutmann's article. He is a know computer scientist and it will be stupid to ignore his comments. Even if you don't agree with his point :2 cents:

As about the 5 year old equipment. Personally I don't have a super-computer for work. I have a rather average PC: Core2Duo E6550/2Gb/GeForce 9600GT. However don't want to give away a half of my system resources to some OS just to let it launch itself. I want these resources for the applications I run. Vista has ZERO features that I can't found in XP.

VeriSexy 07-12-2008 03:59 PM
I avoid it like the plague

MaDalton 07-12-2008 04:35 PM
i have a powerbook and run vista ultimate as virtual os for microsoft office and trillian cause the Mac alternatives suck and i wanted to keep my history. for the rest i use mac programs. and surprise, surprise: it works smooth and fast.

i just hate that they changed the gui in vista for absolutely unnecessary reasons

just a punk 07-12-2008 04:38 PM
The most interesting thing is that according to various benchmarks, Mac is a most Windows-optimized PC ever. I'm not kidding - check it with google :winkwink:

MaDalton 07-12-2008 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 14453230)
i have a powerbook and run vista ultimate as virtual os for microsoft office and trillian cause the Mac alternatives suck and i wanted to keep my history. for the rest i use mac programs. and surprise, surprise: it works smooth and fast.

i just hate that they changed the gui in vista for absolutely unnecessary reasons
of course i meant macbook pro - i'm still stuck in the past. how did they dare to change the name after 10 years - lol

and yeah, it actually runs faster with windows than 99% of the windows laptops. but it also costs more than 99% of the windows laptops :Oh crap

eroticsexxx 07-12-2008 06:06 PM
Below is my post from another thread on GFY. And for those who have problems with running Vista: Something in the PC is not on the Hardware Compatibility List or the manufacturer didn't update the drivers to work properly with Vista.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 14400577)
The Vista haters are either:

1. Techs who are too lazy to read the HCL and/or SCL that Microsoft has freely available on its site or...

2. People who fed into the hype propagated by those in #1

Fact of the matter is that Vista is the most stable and secure end user version of Windows to date. The only difference is that you have to ensure that the hardware that you're using has proper drivers that were written to meet the higher standards that Microsoft implemented (and that any software you use also rises to the occasion).

Techs over the years have gotten lazy and many just loaded Vista onto their boxes without doing their research. Then when they ran into issues because vendors didn't want to invest more time in programming proper Vista drivers, these "techs" screamed bloody murder that Vista was a "piece of crap".

Microsoft can take some of the blame for the overall perception of Vista as well because they should have revealed exactly what they were really doing when they released it...they designed Vista to be a more secure and equivalently stable competitor to Apple's proprietary masterpiece, MAC OS X.

What happened next was a marketing nightmare though, because the companies like Dell, who pushed $399 boxes that couldn't handle Vista's requirements suddenly started trying to force MS' hand in terms of licensing fees (so that they could upgrade their hardware but keep their overall prices low). MS held strong, but Dell did a power play and told consumers that they could "downgrade" to XP, which was basically an open snub of Vista. From there everyone jumped onto the bandwagon blindly. Some techs that I know who had never touched Vista were declaring it useless.

When I did a TV interview on the various flavors of Vista about a month after they came out and gave the OS a B- overall, some techs thought I was mad. I had to defend myself and thus put out the challenge to any tech who followed the HCL and the SCL to let me know if they had any problems. I had quite a few converts, other than my hardcore Linux buddies.

Anyway...I digress. I'm not a Microsoft evangelist or anything but really...don't hate the player...hate the game.

Now excuse me...I have some compiling to do.

mikesouth 07-12-2008 08:04 PM
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14453772)
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit
Wow sorry but that is just a terrible statement. Vista is only as stable as the hardware it is running on, and the drivers supplied by the MANUFACTURE of said hardware.

I must have a super uber copy of vista running on my machines. lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AbtComm 07-12-2008 08:10 PM
Vista running great over here... people bitching about older hardware and drivers! time to hit that turbo button on the 386

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14453100)
Your article? Are you IT expert? No? So why someone should listen to it? I was working as system programmer during 5 years (was writing low-level code for MS-DOS and Win32 OS's), but I don't post my own toughs here. Not because I had no experience with Vista (I had), but because I know that the ppl here won't be interested to read it. That's why I posted a link to Peter Gutmann's article. He is a know computer scientist and it will be stupid to ignore his comments. Even if you don't agree with his point :2 cents:

As about the 5 year old equipment. Personally I don't have a super-computer for work. I have a rather average PC: Core2Duo E6550/2Gb/GeForce 9600GT. However don't want to give away a half of my system resources to some OS just to let it launch itself. I want these resources for the applications I run. Vista has ZERO features that I can't found in XP.
Well lets see I started with my first computer in 1979 on a Trs 80 model III, moved up to a few IBM clones not long after that, used win 3.1, win 95, win 98, win ME, Win XP home, Win XP Pro, and now Vista Ultimate. Vista is the most powerful, most stable, easiest to use of any of the MS Os's. Ive dabbled on many different unix / linux flavors over the years, and a Mac Pro quad core with 4gb of ram. I had issues with every linux distro, and the Mac crashed on me 4 times in less than 4 hours. This was using simple programs. Ftp's, photoshop etc. BRAND new Mac and it crashed 4 times. The mac had no excuse of hardware compatibility. After all mac builds them. Now here are all my copies of vista 3 running on boxes I built and picked out the hardware, and a laptop that came with it preinstalled. NONE of them have crashed on me EVER except my desktop once or twice, but that was due to bad memory timing settings I picked.

As for it being faster than Xp? I beg to differ. Maybe you are talking about a new brand new install? Great, well the problem with xp was always you had to reinstall every 3 or 4 months at most. It would slow down more and more and more as you went. I still have 1 xp pro install sitting in the next room and I have to work on it once a week to get it moving like it should again. So I dont give a hoot what any article might say. I know how MY computers run using vista and its awesome. :2 cents:

bronco67 07-12-2008 08:43 PM
I was hesitant for a while, because I have 3 networked computers doing heavy 3D graphics. I needed to re-format my master machine so I decided to do Vista64.

I like it so far. I don't notice any Ram problems that people talk about -- mainly because I have 8GB. It's cheap, so why not? Too much is never enough.

Aside from some extra security headaches, its good overall, and very slick looking. The only problem I have now is that I can't write files to the Vista machine from my XP machines. Not a deal breaker at the moment, but I need to figure it out eventually.

Turn of the annoying UAC(User Account Control), and things are much smoother.

DeanCapture 07-12-2008 09:36 PM
So far - so good with Vista. I used my new laptop on location today to download pics, surf the web and print out model releases and everything seems fine. It seems to be as fast or faster than my other computer which had XP. That's basically all I wanted the laptop for anyway. I don't plan to do any heavy duty processing with it.:thumbsup

Porko 07-12-2008 10:27 PM
its not so bad if you have enough ram..
i think that xp its better..

vidsta 07-12-2008 10:46 PM
vista&#180;s the last fuggn&#180; pieca shiat man that&#180;s y i added an additional d to my nick. i&#180;m running XP which is not much better, but vista is one pure RAM-killer and it doesn&#180;t work properly.
i&#180;ll recommend to use XP as long as you can and then switch to the next windows after vista which will hopefully be not so shitty.
only a complete idiot could say vista has a good performance and keep a straight face.

just a punk 07-13-2008 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
Well lets see I started with my first computer in 1979 on a Trs 80 model III, moved up to a few IBM clones not long after that, used win 3.1, win 95, win 98, win ME, Win XP home, Win XP Pro, and now Vista Ultimate.
So what? Does it make you an IT expert? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
Vista is the most powerful, most stable, easiest to use of any of the MS Os's.
No comments here :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
As for it being faster than Xp? I beg to differ. Maybe you are talking about a new brand new install? Great, well the problem with xp was always you had to reinstall every 3 or 4 months at most.
What for? Personally I never do that.

yahoo-xxx-girls.com 07-13-2008 04:42 AM
Bump ...

eroticsexxx 07-13-2008 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14453772)
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit
Vista has been adopted wholeheartedly by some of my top financial clients. These are multinational companies with strict standards in terms of reliability and security.

Vista is not shit and I told ya already, your problem is a driver or a hardware issue. My suggestion is to run the Vista Upgrade Advisor and it will give you an idea of what is causing the problem. Another thing. Did you load the chipset drivers? And check for updated drivers for the other devices in that machine? And what Graphic card are you running in that anyway?

Your problem is probably a simple one.

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Originally Posted by vidsta (Post 14454010)
only a complete idiot could say vista has a good performance and keep a straight face.
See post number 81. I'm far from an idiot in such matters and trust me the only thing laughable is how so many persons have jumped on the "Vista sucks" bandwagon without knowing exactly what they are talking about. And like I said in that post, even some of the top techs in the industry have fallen victim to this error in judgment, because they simply forgot to use the HCL and the SCL.

Any tech who disses Vista has to go back to basics and get the chip of "I just know my shit without RTFM" off of their shoulder.

Look carefully at the changes Microsoft made in Vista and appreciate that they finally made that tough step of locking down their software and raising the standards for drivers and software. Microsoft didn't make Vista as proprietary as Apple, but they clearly took a big risk of moving in that more concentrated direction.

Again, crappy/outdated/incompatible hardware, software and drivers will mess up Vista. At least Microsoft haven't gone as far as Apple and completely lock down the ability to install outdated software/hardware. Apple users just suck it up and thus their stuff works consistently.

Hopefully you guys who are dissing Vista can understand what Microsoft did with that OS a bit better.


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