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eroticsexxx 07-12-2008 06:06 PM
Below is my post from another thread on GFY. And for those who have problems with running Vista: Something in the PC is not on the Hardware Compatibility List or the manufacturer didn't update the drivers to work properly with Vista.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eroticsexxx (Post 14400577)
The Vista haters are either:

1. Techs who are too lazy to read the HCL and/or SCL that Microsoft has freely available on its site or...

2. People who fed into the hype propagated by those in #1

Fact of the matter is that Vista is the most stable and secure end user version of Windows to date. The only difference is that you have to ensure that the hardware that you're using has proper drivers that were written to meet the higher standards that Microsoft implemented (and that any software you use also rises to the occasion).

Techs over the years have gotten lazy and many just loaded Vista onto their boxes without doing their research. Then when they ran into issues because vendors didn't want to invest more time in programming proper Vista drivers, these "techs" screamed bloody murder that Vista was a "piece of crap".

Microsoft can take some of the blame for the overall perception of Vista as well because they should have revealed exactly what they were really doing when they released it...they designed Vista to be a more secure and equivalently stable competitor to Apple's proprietary masterpiece, MAC OS X.

What happened next was a marketing nightmare though, because the companies like Dell, who pushed $399 boxes that couldn't handle Vista's requirements suddenly started trying to force MS' hand in terms of licensing fees (so that they could upgrade their hardware but keep their overall prices low). MS held strong, but Dell did a power play and told consumers that they could "downgrade" to XP, which was basically an open snub of Vista. From there everyone jumped onto the bandwagon blindly. Some techs that I know who had never touched Vista were declaring it useless.

When I did a TV interview on the various flavors of Vista about a month after they came out and gave the OS a B- overall, some techs thought I was mad. I had to defend myself and thus put out the challenge to any tech who followed the HCL and the SCL to let me know if they had any problems. I had quite a few converts, other than my hardcore Linux buddies.

Anyway...I digress. I'm not a Microsoft evangelist or anything but really...don't hate the player...hate the game.

Now excuse me...I have some compiling to do.

mikesouth 07-12-2008 08:04 PM
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14453772)
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit
Wow sorry but that is just a terrible statement. Vista is only as stable as the hardware it is running on, and the drivers supplied by the MANUFACTURE of said hardware.

I must have a super uber copy of vista running on my machines. lol :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

AbtComm 07-12-2008 08:10 PM
Vista running great over here... people bitching about older hardware and drivers! time to hit that turbo button on the 386

stickyfingerz 07-12-2008 08:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14453100)
Your article? Are you IT expert? No? So why someone should listen to it? I was working as system programmer during 5 years (was writing low-level code for MS-DOS and Win32 OS's), but I don't post my own toughs here. Not because I had no experience with Vista (I had), but because I know that the ppl here won't be interested to read it. That's why I posted a link to Peter Gutmann's article. He is a know computer scientist and it will be stupid to ignore his comments. Even if you don't agree with his point :2 cents:

As about the 5 year old equipment. Personally I don't have a super-computer for work. I have a rather average PC: Core2Duo E6550/2Gb/GeForce 9600GT. However don't want to give away a half of my system resources to some OS just to let it launch itself. I want these resources for the applications I run. Vista has ZERO features that I can't found in XP.
Well lets see I started with my first computer in 1979 on a Trs 80 model III, moved up to a few IBM clones not long after that, used win 3.1, win 95, win 98, win ME, Win XP home, Win XP Pro, and now Vista Ultimate. Vista is the most powerful, most stable, easiest to use of any of the MS Os's. Ive dabbled on many different unix / linux flavors over the years, and a Mac Pro quad core with 4gb of ram. I had issues with every linux distro, and the Mac crashed on me 4 times in less than 4 hours. This was using simple programs. Ftp's, photoshop etc. BRAND new Mac and it crashed 4 times. The mac had no excuse of hardware compatibility. After all mac builds them. Now here are all my copies of vista 3 running on boxes I built and picked out the hardware, and a laptop that came with it preinstalled. NONE of them have crashed on me EVER except my desktop once or twice, but that was due to bad memory timing settings I picked.

As for it being faster than Xp? I beg to differ. Maybe you are talking about a new brand new install? Great, well the problem with xp was always you had to reinstall every 3 or 4 months at most. It would slow down more and more and more as you went. I still have 1 xp pro install sitting in the next room and I have to work on it once a week to get it moving like it should again. So I dont give a hoot what any article might say. I know how MY computers run using vista and its awesome. :2 cents:

bronco67 07-12-2008 08:43 PM
I was hesitant for a while, because I have 3 networked computers doing heavy 3D graphics. I needed to re-format my master machine so I decided to do Vista64.

I like it so far. I don't notice any Ram problems that people talk about -- mainly because I have 8GB. It's cheap, so why not? Too much is never enough.

Aside from some extra security headaches, its good overall, and very slick looking. The only problem I have now is that I can't write files to the Vista machine from my XP machines. Not a deal breaker at the moment, but I need to figure it out eventually.

Turn of the annoying UAC(User Account Control), and things are much smoother.

DeanCapture 07-12-2008 09:36 PM
So far - so good with Vista. I used my new laptop on location today to download pics, surf the web and print out model releases and everything seems fine. It seems to be as fast or faster than my other computer which had XP. That's basically all I wanted the laptop for anyway. I don't plan to do any heavy duty processing with it.:thumbsup

Porko 07-12-2008 10:27 PM
its not so bad if you have enough ram..
i think that xp its better..

vidsta 07-12-2008 10:46 PM
vista&#180;s the last fuggn&#180; pieca shiat man that&#180;s y i added an additional d to my nick. i&#180;m running XP which is not much better, but vista is one pure RAM-killer and it doesn&#180;t work properly.
i&#180;ll recommend to use XP as long as you can and then switch to the next windows after vista which will hopefully be not so shitty.
only a complete idiot could say vista has a good performance and keep a straight face.

just a punk 07-13-2008 02:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
Well lets see I started with my first computer in 1979 on a Trs 80 model III, moved up to a few IBM clones not long after that, used win 3.1, win 95, win 98, win ME, Win XP home, Win XP Pro, and now Vista Ultimate.
So what? Does it make you an IT expert? :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
Vista is the most powerful, most stable, easiest to use of any of the MS Os's.
No comments here :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14453796)
As for it being faster than Xp? I beg to differ. Maybe you are talking about a new brand new install? Great, well the problem with xp was always you had to reinstall every 3 or 4 months at most.
What for? Personally I never do that.

yahoo-xxx-girls.com 07-13-2008 04:42 AM
Bump ...

eroticsexxx 07-13-2008 06:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14453772)
If vista were as great as you people claim it would be impossible to crash or freeze the OS as is happening to me.

you could crash an app but never the whole OS

thats what a protected kernel does for you.

vista is shit

microsoft is shit

deal widdit
Vista has been adopted wholeheartedly by some of my top financial clients. These are multinational companies with strict standards in terms of reliability and security.

Vista is not shit and I told ya already, your problem is a driver or a hardware issue. My suggestion is to run the Vista Upgrade Advisor and it will give you an idea of what is causing the problem. Another thing. Did you load the chipset drivers? And check for updated drivers for the other devices in that machine? And what Graphic card are you running in that anyway?

Your problem is probably a simple one.

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Originally Posted by vidsta (Post 14454010)
only a complete idiot could say vista has a good performance and keep a straight face.
See post number 81. I'm far from an idiot in such matters and trust me the only thing laughable is how so many persons have jumped on the "Vista sucks" bandwagon without knowing exactly what they are talking about. And like I said in that post, even some of the top techs in the industry have fallen victim to this error in judgment, because they simply forgot to use the HCL and the SCL.

Any tech who disses Vista has to go back to basics and get the chip of "I just know my shit without RTFM" off of their shoulder.

Look carefully at the changes Microsoft made in Vista and appreciate that they finally made that tough step of locking down their software and raising the standards for drivers and software. Microsoft didn't make Vista as proprietary as Apple, but they clearly took a big risk of moving in that more concentrated direction.

Again, crappy/outdated/incompatible hardware, software and drivers will mess up Vista. At least Microsoft haven't gone as far as Apple and completely lock down the ability to install outdated software/hardware. Apple users just suck it up and thus their stuff works consistently.

Hopefully you guys who are dissing Vista can understand what Microsoft did with that OS a bit better.


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