50 different currencies...

:1orglaugh

We use it. We love it. And so do our affiliates :)

I was on the beta for Regional Billing Im pretty sure I know what it is. I also know it makes me 41.00 for a euro sale instead of 27.95. I know we have seen a VERY good increase on profits since we adapted it. I know I have 16 paysites running regional billing also.

Now please tell me why I am wrong?

Here I am on one of our join pages. By default it is set to USD because my ip is in the U.S.

http://www.stickyboxbucks.com/usd.jpg

Here it is where I have decided to pay using the Euro EVEN though I am in the U.S.

http://www.stickyboxbucks.com/euro.jpg

Look I can pay in Yen if I want.

http://www.stickyboxbucks.com/yen.jpg

Now the way world currency works at any given time one currency is likely to be down, while another is up. Things will always balance. So if the Euro drops the dollar might come back up.

I trust Ccbill to make that they have done their homework better than I can. Ill stick with it. It has made me and my affiliates more money over the months since changing over to it.

All he had to do was click thru on your site and see that himself, yet he claims he has "researched" this.

I'm like you. I'm betting that ccbill knows what they are doing.

This confirms that you are clueless and an idiot.
You don't have to log in and click "yes" to be able to bill in different currencies. That is DEFAULT. Has been for almost a couple years.

Read my posts above, I even say I bill in Euros.

However, I have not accepted yes to "Regional Billing" you have to log in and check "yes" to enable this. This is what you are "trying" to be all authoritative on, but really you just admitted that you don't even know what the fuck it is.

How does it feel to own yourself?

Right before it was by default whatever you billed the site in. So it would normally bill in USD by default for us even in Europe. NOW its done by Geo Ip to show whatever default, and the amount they are charged is based different. Instead of them paying the exact amount that 27.95 USD would be the equivelent in Euros they are paying a amount that is what would be equal to account for the drop of the dollar. It doesnt change the fact that they CAN click the USD button and see the exact amount in USD. If Im in Europe and click USD it is going to show 41.00. There is no deception here unless you put your pricing on your tour somewhere. We do not. We leave it only on the join form.

Sticky, those little flags show up whether regional billing is activated or not. Those flags don't mean you have regional billing activated.

Seriously, You guys are a riot. This is insane.

The Geo IP on the forms works without activating "Regional Billing"

http://tubecgi.com/regional.jpg

And then STFU. :1orglaugh

I'll simplify this a bit.

The only thing that "Regional Billing" is charge more or less for your product based on country.

However most of the hype you hear is about being able to charge more

You can also use Regional Billing to charge less. (like for poorer countries)

You just owned yourself again.

That's to activate regional billing.

You don't need to activate that to bill in different currencies fool!

You did not read my full post. JUST like I clicked and was able to see what amount I would pay in other denominations, the non USD customer can do the same. Hence there is no deception. It will show them the exact amount in USD if they are being regional billed in Euros. This isnt rocket science here. If you use regional billing don't have the price on the tour, and have it only on the ccbill form.

You are missing the point it seems.

So who is in a region that uses euros? Please click through and tell me what the Euro amount you see is for this.

www.dixiedash.com/join.html click joing by cc. Now note the Euro price, and then click the USD price the USD price should be around 41.00.

yeh I've done this for a while now and it's been great!

and what point am i missing?

The point that the price is listed in USD for those paying in Euro too. There is no deception. Im off to bed lol. Ill let Mark or Paul answer from here on in. lol Im not going to try and force anyone to make more money. :upsidedow

Lots of theorycraft in this thread, but the correct answer is easily measured by results; does regional billing make you more or less money?

I turned it on, gave it a fair trial, and was pleased with the noticeable increase in revenue. It turns out most people in Europe are just as willing to pay ?24.95 as $24.95. With the current exchange rate, why wouldn't you take that?

But I need to activate it so I can pay my affilates $151 for a $99 dollar sale during my
100% payout this month.

You must have some aggresive protozoa eating at your brain stem if you don't understand that angle.

And this thead was about making more money by clicking that option.

This thread is not about idiots like you who don't want to give bigger payouts to your affiliates and would rather take care of 3 to 4 whining trolls from Transylvania who want
to save 2 Euros. :1orglaugh

It makes me more.

Till i turned it on every customer paid (fictional example) 20 US. Now all Americans still pay 20 US but Europeans pay 20 Euro's. So yes, you make more money.

28 euros or 42 dollars.

Currently it makes more money, unless you have all Japanese traffic.

And that's all this post was to be about.

Click yes, make more. I had no idea there would be a big debate about it.

I never said it wasn't listed. lol I know it's listed.


Your confusing with what I said about affiliates that promote using price points and like how review sites list the price and include it on their ranking?

Anyways, I know what the fuck I am talking about. Corvette or anyone from CCBill once they read this thread will confirm that.

I'm not saying it's bad and don't do it. But for the reasons I listed above are why I am not doing it.

i agree you make more money (per sale)
just less sales (imo)

This is a theory, easily tested. I strongly suggest testing it. :winkwink:

This thread is crazy

No, this is all wrong. The user CANNOT click on USD and pay the same price as everyone else...

This is what I see at your site... same USD figure, but billing in Euro. Do you call this fair?

http://corecoder.com/gfy/sticky/dd-euro.gif

And if I try to get billed in dollars, bam. I see that the price advertised on your site isn't the same as what I am being billed...

http://corecoder.com/gfy/sticky/dd-dollar.gif

It must be on some type of average.

because without "Regional Billing" activated the CAD or EURO transaction will always = what you have the US base price set to.
Even rebills.
If the value of the CAD drops the next month the members card is hit up for more the next rebill or less depending.

Without Regional Billing activated this disclaimer shows up on my forms:

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

I'm guessing with Regional Billing activated that disclaimer goes away and the customer gets billed the same amount each time.

Someone from Europe look at Stickys join form and see if the above disclaimer shows up please.

ok, sorry for my above post aimed at you. I see that you are ware of this. However, it's my view that cos most sites (not yours) advertise the price on their tours, that when they get to the biller, the advertised price isn't the price they are billed. Not by a long shot...

no it doesn't appear in ccbill.

uhm, yeah it does

To protect your privacy, any charges will discreetly appear as CCBill on your credit card statement.

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup...0000042192:840

bingo ......

because when regional billing is activated that customers price is locked in on his euro price. it wont change.

it's just a choice you have to make

a good analogy is like so:

do you want a safe fixed rate mortgage (RB non activated)

or do you want a variable rate mortgage (RB activated)

The million dollar questions are:

1. What will the Euro do in the next couple years.

and

2. How many sales and rebills are you losing to pissed off Europeans when you try to charge them almost 50 dollars for a 30 dollar site.

If you think price doesent matter jack that mother fucker up to 50 Euros and make 80 bucks.

50.00 EUR = 79.4875 USD

With CCBills current settings, for Euros, where every $1 is raised to ?1, the Euro would need to drop to half of its current value to become worth less than a USD subscription. Unless Hitler rises from the dead commanding an army of Daleks, that is not likely to happen anytime in the next decade.

I'm totally with you. I think it's a racket - if you want to be greedy and make more $, why not just charge everyone $40 for membership. You won't cos you know that people will see the price and say, fuck that, it's too expensive per month and go somewhere else. Well, the exact same mentality occurs for non-US customers too ya know...

to be exact on that disclaimer, the default euro page doesn't show it (as that price is locked into the euro amount), but click to pay in USD and it appears as that is a fluctuating rate.

What I want to know is, for those sites that actually advertise the price in USD on their tours, is this illegal, since it's impossible for the person to actually get that USD price if they are outside the US? Seems like false advertising to me...

There's not a single argument I've heard that warrants this practice, except pure greed. Suppliers of tangible goods always hike up the cost a bit to cover export expenses, but online viewing of digital goods? Doesn't cost you any more or any less to provide the goods to non-US customers...

It would be misleading to advertise one price on your tour and another on your join page. It could be fraud, since the customer might not notice the difference. But why advertise the price before the join page at all? Price is more likely to be a demotivator than a motivator. Unless you're competing against sites with identical content, you're not competing on price, and have no reason to lead with that.

Paysite subscription prices will always be set at "as much as people are willing to pay". Some webmasters may not test thoroughly and just set prices arbitrarily, but IMO this is cheating yourself and your affiliates. All CCBill has done is give us a way to get closer to the "best price".

Give it up BV, most of these webmasters think "More Money NOW" and don't make an effort to think at the long term picture.

The way I look at it is, it does not cost me anymore to deliver content to members in Europe than it does to deliver content to members in the US. We do not need to be greedy as we do quite well just the way things are right now and our affiliates seem to be quite happy with sales and more-so something called "Retention". :winkwink:

Everyone will have their own theories and business practices, that's what makes the world go around. Meanwhile we are going to continue to charge $29.95 US per monthly subscription and continue to watch our sales and members base go up.

Why did they not show up on my join form then until I accepted the Regional Billing? Before I clicked to accept, they were not there.

That's the way it seemed to me also. If the flags were there before then I need to start paying better attention to things. I don't ever remember seeing them until I accepted like you. Not saying I'm right; just saying I didn't notice them there before.

Well, in my case I know I'm right about them being there. I had just gone through my join pages before enabling the new feature. The flags were not there before clicking "Enable" and were there after clicking it.

Thank you for making my point that there is no deception. :thumbsup

And our Euro sales have gone up quite a bit since turning it on for whatever reason.

So you are telling that dollar might be worth more than euro in 15 years, so lets make less now to prepare for it?

You are selling more euro memberships because the US economics sucks right now, people have no money to spend, europeans have and can afford to pay even 29.95 euro for a membership, without thinking twice.

You actually did make a point or two in this thread and it would have been better
received if you didn't rant and call people idiots.

The points I got from you after firguring out what you really wanted to say(:1orglaugh) :

- Low dollar now means cheap porn for Europeans but regional billing cancels that.

- Posting prices on you site in dollars will not be accurate when non-dollar customers click the sign up form. They can do a conversion and see it's more dollars than you posted.


So those are your points in "laymans" terms.

This was not a point :

- The Euro could go down.

If the surfer can always select their currency wether we have regional billing or not then
they can always pay and rebill in a currency that is going down.


And as far as having differrent prices being unfair, it is also unfair that foreign powers that are unhappy with America are fucking with our currency to punish us.
Example: Venezuela refusing to accept dollars for oil and encouraging the world to follow.

Charging more based on region might only amount to us getting the proper value for our
products. Since we need more dollars today than we needed yesterday. This may be
the way to get those dollars without punishing Americans more by making them pay more.

So like you say, if the dollar rebounds then the effective price paid in Euros will be less.
Which ultimately means that when people stop playing games with our currency then
those who sign up in Euros can get cheap prices again BECAUSE WE HAVE REGIONAL
BILLING TURNED ON. At least it seems that way.

29.99 Euro = $42 on the form now, if the dollar goes way, way up then 29.9 Euro could be equal to $25. But they won't get the $25 price if regional billing is turned off.

I think ccbill thought this out.

I think CCBill simply copied LocalBilling :2 cents:

LB have had this for ages (it's their business model) and it's far better done - for example, say I was a US resident but I was away in Europe. I hit LB, get the euro price zone and language of the country I am in, but I can select Country=US and pay the actual proper US$ amount. Now not everybody can do this, cos the address fields change and the cc has to be tied to a US address. But it allows genuine US residents to pay the genuine US$ amount. Not the hiked up euro charge.

Far far smarter. However, it does give the potential member the chance to see what the 'real' US$ membership fee is...

Well, ccbill still thought it out on how to copy them. :1orglaugh

OK then, Look at my join pages, currency flags are there.

Look at any CCBill site. http://www.ccbillsponsors.com/

The currency flags are all there.

EVERY CCBILL SITE IN EXISTANCE SHOWS THE CURRENCY FLAGS AND CAN BILL IN THOSE CURRENCIES WHETHER REGIONAL BILLING IS ACTIVATED OR NOT!

Regional billing activated will lock in that customer at their local currency that you have set in regional billing. You can choose to use CCbills recommended settings or use your own.

Without regional billing activated the customer is locked in at the USD amount, and his card may be billed more or less in his currency depending on the exchange rate.

ie: This disclaimer off my ccbill join page.

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

This locks you in so you will always get equal to what your membership is in USD.

Regional Billing works the exact opposite.


Way over half my income is Rebills.
Almost 50% of those are non USA.
5% of those have been with me for years and years.
Also I have members cancel and join back every few months over and over again for years and years.

Why do I want to risk fucking that up?

Also it's not only my decision, I have affiliates, it's mostly all their traffic. I am not only making decisions for me but for them also.

I have seen no solid proof that it works.

I see a bunch of bullshit "yah we activated it yesterday and are happy so far comments"

Please, gimme a break.

I will sit here on the sidelines and watch you guys test.

Answer me this: If regional billing is so good and perfect, why do you have to check the yes box to enable it.

If it was so good and perfect and 100% foolproof, why wouldn't ccbill and epoch and the rest of them that offer it just make it A DEFAULT setting?

Answer me that.

Yes exactly, you would make less with it turned on if what you said there happens. This is my point. 25 instead of 29


In the past 18 months look at how fast the dollar dropped and how fast the euro rose.

You don't think it can flip flop back just as fast?

It can and it might.

I'm sorry if I called names (boo hoo this is GFY)
but it frustrates me to no end when I see misinformation in a post that someone might take for truth.

Most of it was aimed at showing currency flags = regional billing.
This is just not the case. But if your posts are read by hundreds of webmasters that's how misinformation gets spread and believed and possibly could lead people to think that that could be an indicator as to if a site has regional billing activated or not.

There is not one thing here I posted that is incorrect or that could not happen.

I have been with CCBill since almost their beginning in 99 or 2000 and I will be with them to the end.

I know their system inside and out.

They are the best company and Epoch is a very close second, IMO
I love them, they know I love them.

But right now my gut instinct says no to regional billing.

This is why you have a choice to use it or not use it.

It might be a good fit for some, for some not.

CCBill gives you a choice for a reason :upsidedow

You get 2 euro sales a week now?

BRAVO! :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Because business owners should be in charge of their own websites pricing.

Because it may conflict with an advertised price on a tour.