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I think i'm making about 15% more or so because of this and i love it. It didnt affect sales whatsoever. Europeans accept it. Its not like its suddenly more expensive for them or anything. A German guy who signs up isnt gonna bitch that he has to pay in Euro's, he will accept that. I havent had ONE complaint about this system. Not one. Sales didn't go down, i make more money and nobody is bitching.
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posted the proper name of what I was talking about because the argument you were making about "multi-currency" being available was not really what I was intending to talk about. A lot of people knew what I meant as they showed by saying they clicked it. I was wrong when I thought the surfer could change the price by changing the currency. Somebody had to go to the form from another country to show me the difference. |
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You and I were just talking on ICQ, we were talking about how pissed off you when the Nederlands quit using the guilder and went to using the Euro and kept the prices marked the same. It used to cost 40 guilders for a whore in the RLD, overnight it went to 40 Euros. The exchange rate between those two currencies at that time were about as different as what the USD and Euro are now. I know it affected the local economy as well as my business. In fact it put me out of business. You remember I used to export sometimes 5 containers a week of Salal into Rotterdam to my customer in Aalsmeer, Millions of dollars worth of Salal every year that I made a % of. When the Euro finally took over the Guilder things just went down hill from there. Changed the whole market. Poof..... |
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Youre looking at it from the wrong side man. |
Im losing more and more money everyday because of the low dollar. Why would i give Europeans access to my sites cheaper than American's and make less my myself. 20 euro's is just as much for a European as 20 dollars for an American. He isnt suddenly paying more man. Why would give them cheap access and lose more and more money because of that? Im not in this business to do people favours.
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I know what youre trying to say BV but youre really looking at it from a wrong angle. I cant make it more clear than this though.
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lets move on cheers, bv |
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but anyways i dont care, i am not going to do it on any existing sites yet, i will wait and watch a bit more, i might try it with my next new site. Corvette/CCBill, if your lurking, one thing that you could do to help affiliates that wish to have some pricing information on there pages (like review sites) is to have some sort of geo ip link codes for affiliates to use. I see lot's of possibilities there. |
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And btw at least 20% of our sales are Euro, and no that isn't 2 sales per week. :uhoh Bah ok Im running to the store.
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sniff sniff they put the disclaimer on all non usd options Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge. |
so if you have regional billing activated you members are not subject to adjustment, get it yet sticky?
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i get more declines in 1 day than u get in sales for a whole week |
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2 weeks ago or so I was checking out my declines, after a very long time...and when I saw the numbers, I got really depressed. I better shouldn't have checked them at all. |
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the point i was trying to make is you are over portraying yourself to be a bigshot expert on something when in fact you are just small small time and still wet behind the ears. One good thing is my idea of the GEO IP link codes. Corvette is already on it. I bet you will see geo ip link codes in the near future PLUS much more advanced features in the future. Why? because of this thread and more threads to come this is the game play it |
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well yes but also look very close as most of them are the same person trying over and over until they get it right, the number of declines ccbill lists are not "unique" so to speak, they are "raw" and it's not uncommon to find 4 declines and then finally the 5th time the dude used both hands to type in his expiration date and finally made the join. this is why i like getting the ccbill confirmation emails on every new sale rebill decline etc etc it keeps a mental picture in my mind of whats going on all the time so if i see a bunch of decline emails in my inbox i will look and see if the next New Sale email is him. It usually is over 60% of the time. Even though he finally made it thru his previous declines are still counted in ccbills stats. Again, maybe CCBill will pick up on this and make the stats a little better so they don't freak you out so much. I understand what your saying completely. Declines suck, in reality, divide the declines number reported by ccbill by 4 or 5 and that is the real number of actual people that didnt make it. |
Yeah, I know, but it still sucks. But I still think ccbill is the one and only choice as the main billing. And not only because of the billing and admin itself. :)
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ccbill is the bomb i show favoritism to them over all others based on their track record with me which has been pretty much flawless for the past 9 years for me and my dif programs and to be fair i would say epoch is right there behind them now since they have mpa3 available for the longest time though ccbill had them beat because of ccbill's superior affiliate system |
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Yes man I know, and it took alot for me to even say how i felt about you, because I know where you are coming from. I'm just telling you what you sound like to me. I have seen other threads where other people felt the same way and ripping you a new asshole. and I thought to myself, why are they giving sticky a hard time, he seemed cool, smart, go getter type, on his game. He even helped me out. Got me a good spot. Even though however I never used the content because of the new 2257 rules and I didn't get any model releases or ids. The sound was bad on it too because i was in front of the speaker and i was too drunk to have been shooting! but thats not why i was being snide just tone it down some anyways fuckit let's move on and make money :thumbsup cheers, bv |
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And my foreign sales have been higher than ever, too - because they know they're getting a good deal - and I'm making the same amount per membership from them that I always have. |
Any Europeans here?
In America the typical porn subscription costs $29.95. $10 cheaper and it feels like a bargain. $10 more expensive and it feels like a ripoff. Without regional pricing you are charged = ?19.80 (Does this seem fair or like a bargain?) With regional pricing you are charged = ?29.95 (Does this seem fair or like a rip off?) The only thing stopping me from changing to regional pricing, is that i don't want to overcharge the international market... Just becuase our currency sucks, does not mean i believe i should charge the international market a higher price than they are accustomed to. For example, when several adult advertising companies started changing over to the Euro, many people here in America quit buying advertising for it was just too expensive compared to what they were accustomed to and a return on investment was near impossible. |
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Just changed it. Had to use IE for some reason. Site is incompatible with Firefox 3 on Mac. Curious to see what will happen.
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If an European dude pays the signup amount in Euro's he isn't paying more!! 20 euros is 20 dollars to Americans. But because of the totally shit dollar 20 dollar suddenly is 13 euro's so theyre getting a massive discount and youre losing shitloads of money. Why dont you people get this. They arent paying more!!! They are just paying less and less if you dont do something about it. By next year you might as well give them free access. Im not sure whats so hard to understand about this. |
Btw that losing money part is aimed at Europeans, not US people. You still get your dollar no matter what. We exchange it and lose 40% of it. I like to compensate that and i can do that by charging Europeans in Euro's. Totally nothing wrong with it.
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= 18.2407 EUR Thats a joke. You made your member area 30 dollars for a reason right? Well youre giving Europeans access for almost half of it. Youre giving your product away for almost half the price. Why would you do that? Let them pay the 29 Euro's. Its just as much as 29 dollars for an American. Theyre not paying more man. Just right now theyre paying WAY less and laugh when they see their cc statement and the fact that they can enter your member area for almost half the price. |
And Americans should be even more happy with it. For you its easy extra money. For me its only a compensation of what i shouldve gotten anyway.
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Have already done that.
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Who do you host with Frank?
What if they decided to do regional billing on your ass? What if they almost doubled what you pay now? How would you react? Look for another host right? It's no big deal right? |
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Why is that a fucking joke? 29.00 USD=18.2407 EUR but equally 18.2407 EUR=29.00 USD If someone from Europe pays 18.24 Euros for your site, you get US$29 in the bank. That's what you set the price at because that's what you believe your site is worth. WTH is the problem? You cannot possible get more european signups with this regional billing. Even when regional billing is off, european customers can pay in Euros. So how can you possibly make more euro signups offering a site for 30 euros as opposed to 18 euros :error You are saying you want to hike up the prices for non-US people simply cos you can't stand the fact that the USD is weak and so non-US people would be getting a bargain... The fact that non-regional billing is a bargain for non-US people and the fact you would still get your $30 in the bank per signup says that you should actually captilise on this and push your traffic to the european market to show the euro folk how much of a bargain your site is. Same cash per signup for you, but more members, and more rebills |
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Every day im losing more and more money because of the weak dollar and here you are telling me its wrong to charge Europeans the same price in Euro's instead of letting them pay almost half less. Get a fucking clue before you respond again.
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So, you're saying your sites are worth $30/mo, yet that means you only get 18euro, so to compensate for that your european customers have to pick up the tab of the US customers. Why not just let the US customers pick up their own tab and hike your sites to $45 for them and 30 euro for the euro crowd ie switch your base currency to euro? That is if you believe your sites are worth 30 euros.... being a european, you know how much your sites are worth in euro much more than an American who lives under the $.... |
Hey, that's not a bad idea comparing subscription fees to oil.
I think a gallon of gas in most of Europe right now is around $9USD A gallon of gas in the USA is a little over $4. So a ?30.00 subscription = about 6 gallons and a $30.00 subscription = about 7 gallons Maybe we should start posting prices in gallons instead! :winkwink: |
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When you are operating in a small environment, with only a couple of viable competitors (the ones with high-quality, exclusive content in a niche fetish), and most of your customers are long-time on-and-off members who are familiar with all of the sites in the niche...here are the prices that Europeans see: SITE 1: $X SITE 2: $X SITE 3: $X + 50% For the US customers, it's an even playing field. Which site is the European customer going to sign up for? |
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bank now than you had a few years ago with the exact same number of sales. I get it though, I think. 5 years ago you got a $29 sign up and then went to the bank and had 29 Euros. Now you get the same sign up at the same price and go to your bank and you have 18 Euros. To me that seems like a big loss and hard to swallow and stay in business. You have to double your sales now just to pay the same bills. Is that what is happening on your end? |
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Sounds like a good way to abuse your customer's trust. They do talk, really they do, and love to bitch & moan on their own community boards, so don't think they won't catch on.
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McCain = fear of the same. Obama = fear of the unknown. Fear fear fear no matter how it goes. But I think the Obama factor has the most potiential to raise the dollar because there is also the "hope of the unknown", nobody's hoping for the same. |
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