no it doesn't appear in ccbill.

uhm, yeah it does

To protect your privacy, any charges will discreetly appear as CCBill on your credit card statement.

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

https://bill.ccbill.com/jpost/signup...0000042192:840

bingo ......

because when regional billing is activated that customers price is locked in on his euro price. it wont change.

it's just a choice you have to make

a good analogy is like so:

do you want a safe fixed rate mortgage (RB non activated)

or do you want a variable rate mortgage (RB activated)

The million dollar questions are:

1. What will the Euro do in the next couple years.

and

2. How many sales and rebills are you losing to pissed off Europeans when you try to charge them almost 50 dollars for a 30 dollar site.

If you think price doesent matter jack that mother fucker up to 50 Euros and make 80 bucks.

50.00 EUR = 79.4875 USD

With CCBills current settings, for Euros, where every $1 is raised to ?1, the Euro would need to drop to half of its current value to become worth less than a USD subscription. Unless Hitler rises from the dead commanding an army of Daleks, that is not likely to happen anytime in the next decade.

I'm totally with you. I think it's a racket - if you want to be greedy and make more $, why not just charge everyone $40 for membership. You won't cos you know that people will see the price and say, fuck that, it's too expensive per month and go somewhere else. Well, the exact same mentality occurs for non-US customers too ya know...

to be exact on that disclaimer, the default euro page doesn't show it (as that price is locked into the euro amount), but click to pay in USD and it appears as that is a fluctuating rate.

What I want to know is, for those sites that actually advertise the price in USD on their tours, is this illegal, since it's impossible for the person to actually get that USD price if they are outside the US? Seems like false advertising to me...

There's not a single argument I've heard that warrants this practice, except pure greed. Suppliers of tangible goods always hike up the cost a bit to cover export expenses, but online viewing of digital goods? Doesn't cost you any more or any less to provide the goods to non-US customers...

It would be misleading to advertise one price on your tour and another on your join page. It could be fraud, since the customer might not notice the difference. But why advertise the price before the join page at all? Price is more likely to be a demotivator than a motivator. Unless you're competing against sites with identical content, you're not competing on price, and have no reason to lead with that.

Paysite subscription prices will always be set at "as much as people are willing to pay". Some webmasters may not test thoroughly and just set prices arbitrarily, but IMO this is cheating yourself and your affiliates. All CCBill has done is give us a way to get closer to the "best price".

Give it up BV, most of these webmasters think "More Money NOW" and don't make an effort to think at the long term picture.

The way I look at it is, it does not cost me anymore to deliver content to members in Europe than it does to deliver content to members in the US. We do not need to be greedy as we do quite well just the way things are right now and our affiliates seem to be quite happy with sales and more-so something called "Retention". :winkwink:

Everyone will have their own theories and business practices, that's what makes the world go around. Meanwhile we are going to continue to charge $29.95 US per monthly subscription and continue to watch our sales and members base go up.

Why did they not show up on my join form then until I accepted the Regional Billing? Before I clicked to accept, they were not there.

That's the way it seemed to me also. If the flags were there before then I need to start paying better attention to things. I don't ever remember seeing them until I accepted like you. Not saying I'm right; just saying I didn't notice them there before.

Well, in my case I know I'm right about them being there. I had just gone through my join pages before enabling the new feature. The flags were not there before clicking "Enable" and were there after clicking it.

Thank you for making my point that there is no deception. :thumbsup

And our Euro sales have gone up quite a bit since turning it on for whatever reason.

So you are telling that dollar might be worth more than euro in 15 years, so lets make less now to prepare for it?

You are selling more euro memberships because the US economics sucks right now, people have no money to spend, europeans have and can afford to pay even 29.95 euro for a membership, without thinking twice.

You actually did make a point or two in this thread and it would have been better
received if you didn't rant and call people idiots.

The points I got from you after firguring out what you really wanted to say(:1orglaugh) :

- Low dollar now means cheap porn for Europeans but regional billing cancels that.

- Posting prices on you site in dollars will not be accurate when non-dollar customers click the sign up form. They can do a conversion and see it's more dollars than you posted.


So those are your points in "laymans" terms.

This was not a point :

- The Euro could go down.

If the surfer can always select their currency wether we have regional billing or not then
they can always pay and rebill in a currency that is going down.


And as far as having differrent prices being unfair, it is also unfair that foreign powers that are unhappy with America are fucking with our currency to punish us.
Example: Venezuela refusing to accept dollars for oil and encouraging the world to follow.

Charging more based on region might only amount to us getting the proper value for our
products. Since we need more dollars today than we needed yesterday. This may be
the way to get those dollars without punishing Americans more by making them pay more.

So like you say, if the dollar rebounds then the effective price paid in Euros will be less.
Which ultimately means that when people stop playing games with our currency then
those who sign up in Euros can get cheap prices again BECAUSE WE HAVE REGIONAL
BILLING TURNED ON. At least it seems that way.

29.99 Euro = $42 on the form now, if the dollar goes way, way up then 29.9 Euro could be equal to $25. But they won't get the $25 price if regional billing is turned off.

I think ccbill thought this out.

I think CCBill simply copied LocalBilling :2 cents:

LB have had this for ages (it's their business model) and it's far better done - for example, say I was a US resident but I was away in Europe. I hit LB, get the euro price zone and language of the country I am in, but I can select Country=US and pay the actual proper US$ amount. Now not everybody can do this, cos the address fields change and the cc has to be tied to a US address. But it allows genuine US residents to pay the genuine US$ amount. Not the hiked up euro charge.

Far far smarter. However, it does give the potential member the chance to see what the 'real' US$ membership fee is...

Well, ccbill still thought it out on how to copy them. :1orglaugh

OK then, Look at my join pages, currency flags are there.

Look at any CCBill site. http://www.ccbillsponsors.com/

The currency flags are all there.

EVERY CCBILL SITE IN EXISTANCE SHOWS THE CURRENCY FLAGS AND CAN BILL IN THOSE CURRENCIES WHETHER REGIONAL BILLING IS ACTIVATED OR NOT!

Regional billing activated will lock in that customer at their local currency that you have set in regional billing. You can choose to use CCbills recommended settings or use your own.

Without regional billing activated the customer is locked in at the USD amount, and his card may be billed more or less in his currency depending on the exchange rate.

ie: This disclaimer off my ccbill join page.

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

This locks you in so you will always get equal to what your membership is in USD.

Regional Billing works the exact opposite.


Way over half my income is Rebills.
Almost 50% of those are non USA.
5% of those have been with me for years and years.
Also I have members cancel and join back every few months over and over again for years and years.

Why do I want to risk fucking that up?

Also it's not only my decision, I have affiliates, it's mostly all their traffic. I am not only making decisions for me but for them also.

I have seen no solid proof that it works.

I see a bunch of bullshit "yah we activated it yesterday and are happy so far comments"

Please, gimme a break.

I will sit here on the sidelines and watch you guys test.

Answer me this: If regional billing is so good and perfect, why do you have to check the yes box to enable it.

If it was so good and perfect and 100% foolproof, why wouldn't ccbill and epoch and the rest of them that offer it just make it A DEFAULT setting?

Answer me that.

Yes exactly, you would make less with it turned on if what you said there happens. This is my point. 25 instead of 29


In the past 18 months look at how fast the dollar dropped and how fast the euro rose.

You don't think it can flip flop back just as fast?

It can and it might.

I'm sorry if I called names (boo hoo this is GFY)
but it frustrates me to no end when I see misinformation in a post that someone might take for truth.

Most of it was aimed at showing currency flags = regional billing.
This is just not the case. But if your posts are read by hundreds of webmasters that's how misinformation gets spread and believed and possibly could lead people to think that that could be an indicator as to if a site has regional billing activated or not.

There is not one thing here I posted that is incorrect or that could not happen.

I have been with CCBill since almost their beginning in 99 or 2000 and I will be with them to the end.

I know their system inside and out.

They are the best company and Epoch is a very close second, IMO
I love them, they know I love them.

But right now my gut instinct says no to regional billing.

This is why you have a choice to use it or not use it.

It might be a good fit for some, for some not.

CCBill gives you a choice for a reason :upsidedow

You get 2 euro sales a week now?

BRAVO! :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

Because business owners should be in charge of their own websites pricing.

Because it may conflict with an advertised price on a tour.

I think i'm making about 15% more or so because of this and i love it. It didnt affect sales whatsoever. Europeans accept it. Its not like its suddenly more expensive for them or anything. A German guy who signs up isnt gonna bitch that he has to pay in Euro's, he will accept that. I havent had ONE complaint about this system. Not one. Sales didn't go down, i make more money and nobody is bitching.

Well, I only posted to say that I think it makes more money and I should have
posted the proper name of what I was talking about because the argument you were making about "multi-currency" being available was not really what I was intending to talk about.

A lot of people knew what I meant as they showed by saying they clicked it.

I was wrong when I thought the surfer could change the price by changing the currency.
Somebody had to go to the form from another country to show me the difference.

You surprise me with this post Battus.

You and I were just talking on ICQ, we were talking about how pissed off you when the Nederlands quit using the guilder and went to using the Euro and kept the prices marked the same.

It used to cost 40 guilders for a whore in the RLD, overnight it went to 40 Euros.
The exchange rate between those two currencies at that time were about as different as what the USD and Euro are now.

I know it affected the local economy as well as my business. In fact it put me out of business.

You remember I used to export sometimes 5 containers a week of Salal into Rotterdam to my customer in Aalsmeer, Millions of dollars worth of Salal every year that I made a % of. When the Euro finally took over the Guilder things just went down hill from there. Changed the whole market. Poof.....

Your post would make sense if it suddenly got more expensive for Americans. Like if Americans suddenly had to pay the same price in Euro's which isnt the case. Online memberships are getting cheaper every month for Europeans with the low dollar. By making it Euro's again they pay what they always had to pay. It doesnt get more expensive, just less cheap (way too cheap in many cases).

Youre looking at it from the wrong side man.

Im losing more and more money everyday because of the low dollar. Why would i give Europeans access to my sites cheaper than American's and make less my myself. 20 euro's is just as much for a European as 20 dollars for an American. He isnt suddenly paying more man. Why would give them cheap access and lose more and more money because of that? Im not in this business to do people favours.

I know what youre trying to say BV but youre really looking at it from a wrong angle. I cant make it more clear than this though.

it doesent matter anymore, we are all on the same page now
lets move on

cheers,
bv

that's because i am on the other side of the Atlantic from you, on the USD side.

but anyways i dont care, i am not going to do it on any existing sites yet, i will wait and watch a bit more, i might try it with my next new site.



Corvette/CCBill, if your lurking, one thing that you could do to help affiliates that wish to have some pricing information on there pages (like review sites) is to have some sort of geo ip link codes for affiliates to use. I see lot's of possibilities there.

Exactly but everything you say is from this point of view and thats not what its about. You cant turn this around to the US side. This is about Europeans and how it affects them. Your logic is correct if this was about Americans but it isnt.

i will absolutely make sure this is brought up

Man if you are just going to be snide maybe exit the thread. Btw the disclaimer you mentioned above is also on my pages. So..... :uhoh

And btw at least 20% of our sales are Euro, and no that isn't 2 sales per week. :uhoh Bah ok Im running to the store.

boo hoo hoo

sniff sniff

they put the disclaimer on all non usd options

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

so if you have regional billing activated you members are not subject to adjustment, get it yet sticky?

:thumbsup

Right On Bro!

so post some stats big man? we can make this get interesting...


i get more declines in 1 day than u get in sales for a whole week

Well bully for you. I should hope so after being on gfy since 2001 that you would be making some sales. We only launched around 6 months ago, and are doing just fine. Ive talked to many big program owners and they say we are doing great. I have no need to play the E-penis game tonight. If you feel it somehow helps the discussion to brag about your sales good for you. :thumbsup We are far from the biggest program out there, but we are doing well, and growing every month consistently. When I do start doing as well as you are doing I hope that I am not the one belittling new programs that are doing their best to build their new businesses. I am working on 124 domains with a total of 16 paysites at the same time. I am working towards a long term goal, not short term sales.

http://www.bajiggity.com/epenis.jpg

2 weeks ago or so I was checking out my declines, after a very long time...and when I saw the numbers, I got really depressed. I better shouldn't have checked them at all.

:( save all that bro ( i quit half way thru)

the point i was trying to make is you are over portraying yourself to be a bigshot expert on something when in fact you are just small small time and still wet behind the ears.

One good thing is my idea of the GEO IP link codes. Corvette is already on it.
I bet you will see geo ip link codes in the near future PLUS much more advanced features in the future.

Why?
because of this thread and more threads to come

this is the game
play it

well yes but also look very close as most of them are the same person trying over and over until they get it right, the number of declines ccbill lists are not "unique" so to speak, they are "raw"

and it's not uncommon to find 4 declines and then finally the 5th time the dude used both hands to type in his expiration date and finally made the join.

this is why i like getting the ccbill confirmation emails on every new sale rebill decline etc etc

it keeps a mental picture in my mind of whats going on all the time

so if i see a bunch of decline emails in my inbox i will look and see if the next New Sale email is him. It usually is over 60% of the time.

Even though he finally made it thru his previous declines are still counted in ccbills stats.

Again, maybe CCBill will pick up on this and make the stats a little better so they don't freak you out so much.

I understand what your saying completely. Declines suck, in reality, divide the declines number reported by ccbill by 4 or 5 and that is the real number of actual people that didnt make it.