Yeah, I know, but it still sucks. But I still think ccbill is the one and only choice as the main billing. And not only because of the billing and admin itself. :)

I wouldn't say I am a bigshot, but I wouldn't say I am wet behind the ears either at all. The geo ip pricing to add to review sites and tours is a good idea too no doubt. I have quite a few people that very much respect my opinions too at ccbill and Ill leave it at that. And you dont need to have been in adult for 15 years to logically look at facts and decide on an opinion on them. We've met btw if you remember Internext 2006 I was the guy that made sure you got a nice place to shoot the wet tshirt contest from. :winkwink:

i agree with ya

ccbill is the bomb

i show favoritism to them over all others based on their track record with me which has been pretty much flawless for the past 9 years for me and my dif programs

and to be fair i would say epoch is right there behind them now since they have mpa3 available

for the longest time though ccbill had them beat because of ccbill's superior affiliate system

Yes man I know, and it took alot for me to even say how i felt about you, because I know where you are coming from.

I'm just telling you what you sound like to me.

I have seen other threads where other people felt the same way and ripping you a new asshole.

and I thought to myself, why are they giving sticky a hard time, he seemed cool, smart, go getter type, on his game. He even helped me out. Got me a good spot. Even though however I never used the content because of the new 2257 rules and I didn't get any model releases or ids. The sound was bad on it too because i was in front of the speaker and i was too drunk to have been shooting! but thats not why i was being snide

just tone it down some

anyways

fuckit let's move on and make money

:thumbsup

cheers,
bv

No worries its just something we disagree on, I just didn't like the direction it was goin ;)

I agree completely - especially since the bulk of my members come and go, but they've been coming and going for years, and they *know* the price of the sites. If all of a sudden it costs them 50% more to join - they *are* going to notice - and they aren't going to be happy that they, as individuals, are being charged 50% more because of something they have no control over (the exchange rate).
And my foreign sales have been higher than ever, too - because they know they're getting a good deal - and I'm making the same amount per membership from them that I always have.

Any Europeans here?

In America the typical porn subscription costs $29.95.
$10 cheaper and it feels like a bargain.
$10 more expensive and it feels like a ripoff.

Without regional pricing you are charged = ?19.80
(Does this seem fair or like a bargain?)

With regional pricing you are charged = ?29.95
(Does this seem fair or like a rip off?)

The only thing stopping me from changing to regional pricing, is that i don't want to overcharge the international market... Just becuase our currency sucks, does not mean i believe i should charge the international market a higher price than they are accustomed to.

For example, when several adult advertising companies started changing over to the Euro, many people here in America quit buying advertising for it was just too expensive compared to what they were accustomed to and a return on investment was near impossible.

Double...

Just changed it. Had to use IE for some reason. Site is incompatible with Firefox 3 on Mac. Curious to see what will happen.

Dude stop smoking. They arent paying more!!! They were paying less and less. Way less. Is that fair for your American customers? Lets take it that way.

If an European dude pays the signup amount in Euro's he isn't paying more!! 20 euros is 20 dollars to Americans. But because of the totally shit dollar 20 dollar suddenly is 13 euro's so theyre getting a massive discount and youre losing shitloads of money.

Why dont you people get this. They arent paying more!!! They are just paying less and less if you dont do something about it. By next year you might as well give them free access.

Im not sure whats so hard to understand about this.

Btw that losing money part is aimed at Europeans, not US people. You still get your dollar no matter what. We exchange it and lose 40% of it. I like to compensate that and i can do that by charging Europeans in Euro's. Totally nothing wrong with it.

29.00 USD

=

18.2407 EUR

Thats a joke. You made your member area 30 dollars for a reason right? Well youre giving Europeans access for almost half of it. Youre giving your product away for almost half the price. Why would you do that? Let them pay the 29 Euro's. Its just as much as 29 dollars for an American. Theyre not paying more man. Just right now theyre paying WAY less and laugh when they see their cc statement and the fact that they can enter your member area for almost half the price.

And Americans should be even more happy with it. For you its easy extra money. For me its only a compensation of what i shouldve gotten anyway.

Have already done that.

Who do you host with Frank?

What if they decided to do regional billing on your ass?

What if they almost doubled what you pay now?

How would you react?

Look for another host right?

It's no big deal right?

WTH are you on about?
Why is that a fucking joke?
29.00 USD=18.2407 EUR

but equally
18.2407 EUR=29.00 USD

If someone from Europe pays 18.24 Euros for your site, you get US$29 in the bank. That's what you set the price at because that's what you believe your site is worth. WTH is the problem?

You cannot possible get more european signups with this regional billing. Even when regional billing is off, european customers can pay in Euros. So how can you possibly make more euro signups offering a site for 30 euros as opposed to 18 euros :error

You are saying you want to hike up the prices for non-US people simply cos you can't stand the fact that the USD is weak and so non-US people would be getting a bargain... The fact that non-regional billing is a bargain for non-US people and the fact you would still get your $30 in the bank per signup says that you should actually captilise on this and push your traffic to the european market to show the euro folk how much of a bargain your site is. Same cash per signup for you, but more members, and more rebills

Cool! :thumbsup

No, i get 18 euros in the bank. And i like to compensate that by instead giving Europeans access for half the price i let them pay the full price just like Americans. Really hard to understand is it? I could also compensate this by raising all my prices with 50% but that wont work. That will kill my signups so the other option is letting Europeans pay what they should pay instead of half the price. Sounds more than fair to me. And since not ONE person has complained about it so far i think it sounds fair to a lot people.

Every day im losing more and more money because of the weak dollar and here you are telling me its wrong to charge Europeans the same price in Euro's instead of letting them pay almost half less. Get a fucking clue before you respond again.

Aah, ok the penny drops. OK, I see your pov now - your income is dropping because the dollar is sliding. However, your argument is flawed... you should actually value your sites for the euro and then have the US crowd pay more, so that your income is tied to the euro. Your problem is, like oil, you have decided to base your income on USD. There are many many sites out there that say "we're a european host, therefore our base currency is euro". These people are unaffected by the sliding dollar.

So, you're saying your sites are worth $30/mo, yet that means you only get 18euro, so to compensate for that your european customers have to pick up the tab of the US customers. Why not just let the US customers pick up their own tab and hike your sites to $45 for them and 30 euro for the euro crowd ie switch your base currency to euro? That is if you believe your sites are worth 30 euros.... being a european, you know how much your sites are worth in euro much more than an American who lives under the $....

Hey, that's not a bad idea comparing subscription fees to oil.

I think a gallon of gas in most of Europe right now is around $9USD

A gallon of gas in the USA is a little over $4.

So a ?30.00 subscription = about 6 gallons
and a $30.00 subscription = about 7 gallons

Maybe we should start posting prices in gallons instead! :winkwink:

As I said before (at least, I think I did) --- that's fine if you're operating in the larger environment, with people just tromping through the door from TGP or affiliate links.

When you are operating in a small environment, with only a couple of viable competitors (the ones with high-quality, exclusive content in a niche fetish), and most of your customers are long-time on-and-off members who are familiar with all of the sites in the niche...here are the prices that Europeans see:
SITE 1: $X
SITE 2: $X
SITE 3: $X + 50%
For the US customers, it's an even playing field.
Which site is the European customer going to sign up for?

For the best site, price is never important for the surfer, just the site. I'm always sending my own traffic to $34.95 and I never made more sales when sending to less, I tried even $9.95 and didn't make much more sales.

The best site obviously. Doh.

And that's the same reason why everyone quit buying gas.

Right?

:1orglaugh

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=841278

They just aren't getting the point that, in your postion, you have half the money in the
bank now than you had a few years ago with the exact same number of sales.

I get it though, I think.

5 years ago you got a $29 sign up and then went to the bank and had 29 Euros.
Now you get the same sign up at the same price and go to your bank and you have
18 Euros.

To me that seems like a big loss and hard to swallow and stay in business.

You have to double your sales now just to pay the same bills.

Is that what is happening on your end?

That is correct, sir.

Sounds like a good way to abuse your customer's trust. They do talk, really they do, and love to bitch & moan on their own community boards, so don't think they won't catch on.

My bet is on the USD surging Nov 4.

That would be great but I can't see it happening.

McCain = fear of the same.

Obama = fear of the unknown.

Fear fear fear no matter how it goes.

But I think the Obama factor has the most potiential to raise the dollar because there
is also the "hope of the unknown", nobody's hoping for the same.

I haven't yet implemented regional pricing for my sites. Have been weighing the pros and cons in for some time. Definitely some good discussion going on in this thread.

Hi corvette - This still doesn't say what is happening to the $0.60 cents? If he explained things wrongly, it might be best to clarify? Otherwise I have the same question as him? It's great people are making more money, and it makes sense, but it doesn't necessarily make full sense if money is missing when paid?

Matt

I think I answered it.

If it's not a regional billing sale the exchange rate is taken into effect at the 1st signup. Then when he rebills a month later the customers card will billed again (more or less) depending upon the exchange rate. The customer will always be billed in his currency the equivalent of what the membership is in USD.

This has to change each month.

"Thus is subject to adjustment"

as it states in the disclaimer on the signup page that I have posted several times.

Since the exchange rate varies all the time they cant switch it daily or hourly so they must have it set as an average for the previous month or something of the sort. Then when the next month rolls around it resets and will average out over time.

Any subsequent (future) charges will be billed in the above selected currency, and are subject to adjustment (adjustments are based on the selected currency value = to US Dollars), at the time of each subsequent charge.

but you are right it seems too high. $2.00 too high.

Like right now I show that my 29.95 membership shows 31.94 canadian

at this time and rate

Live rates at 2008.07.15 00:10:13 UTC
1.00 USD = 1.00653 CAD
United States Dollars Canada Dollars
1 USD = 1.00653 CAD 1 CAD = 0.993508 USD

So you are right it seems higher than it should be.

Because it hasn't varied that much over the past months:

January
1.00984 CAD (23 days average)
February
0.998686 CAD (21 days average)
March
1.00294 CAD (21 days average)
April
1.01372 CAD (22 days average)
May
0.998805 CAD (22 days average)
June
1.01662 CAD (21 days average)
July
1.01498 CAD (10 days average)

http://www.x-rates.com/d/CAD/USD/hist2008.html

It just feels like there may be funds that members are paying that should maybe eventually be paid to the paysite after a hold-back period to take into account fluctuations or something? I'm not getting my brain into the math part of this very much.. maybe someone else cares to. :)

These are interesting graphs

Check out the Euro to Dollar Graphs for 2007 and 2008

Scary.

http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/hist2007.html

http://www.x-rates.com/d/USD/EUR/hist2008.html

soon they will change name of USD to Peso