This post should be titled college/university degrees are 10% useless... because 90% of people don't have a clue on how to run a business, don't want to do it, and even if they did, can't organize themselves and need a boss breathing down their neck to get anything done.

I got an honours in computer science and a minor in math. Looking back, I'd still do it even though I didn't really enjoy it and still have not picked up my diploma from the university. Since I work with software, I can whip up pretty much any tool that I need without having to wait for a programmer to do it and can do things more efficiently and know when someone bullshits me on things related to programming.

... of course if I had a 12 inch cock and strippers knocking on my door 24/7 and wads of cash appearing from the sky I probably wouldn't have needed a degree but *shrug*, I ain't there yet.

If you want a "job" you don't need college or a university degree, but anyone that wants a career that pays anything meaningful they pretty much need some form of higher education, or the other guy gets the position, period.

That's assuming you want to work for someone else.

For those of us who prefer to be self-employed, you're completely right... no degree required.

No way to tell how much of this is just that smarter people from families with more resources and motivation tend to go to college but ..

2004 average salary by education in the US

Advanced degrees $74,602
BS $51,206
HS $27,915
Dropout $18,734

Pretty significant differences

Doctor, lawyer, nurse, teacher, accountant, economist, medical researcher, biologist, engineer, psychologist, pharmacist, etc.

Basically, unless you want to start your own company, you're better off getting a degree than not getting one.

Just look at this:
http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/04/job..._0604jobs.html
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/...lary/by_Degree

And even if you start your own company, the knowledge and network you get from university and the experience you'll have from working in a job you wouldn't have gotten without a degree will usually help tremendously.

The guys from Google? They met at Stanford. The guys from Yahoo? Met at Stanford. Amazon? Princeton degree. Ebay? CS degree with work experience. PayPal? Yeah, degrees. Starbucks? Degrees. Arcelor Mittal? Degree.

Of the 5 richest people in the world, 3 have finished university, and 1 dropped out.

Basically, what it comes down to is this: degrees matter.

There is world outside the US, too. People don't pay for school in the most countries. Well, not that much, at least.

for me..porn first, med school later

speak the truth Metaman !!!

Bill Gates dropped out! :thumbsup:1orglaugh

I will say this...

on average I have not made under what my degree cost me. So I guess take that for what it's worth.

Oh, and you are not biased. You're a hippocrate. There's a difference toots. :)

I have to admit, most of the responses to this thread are pure comedy on so many levels.

:)

Fair enough, you'll make more money being self employed and live a better life. But saying school was pointless means that people are only going to school for the money. And you're not going to get any money from a degree, that's fair to say too.

BUT being a university student I'll tell you this:

I KNOW that I can do shit that other people can't even begin to understand
I KNOW that I can demand a certain amount of respect because of my credentials
I've been able to work with, and talk to and interact with such a huge variety of talented people that wouldn't have come together for anything other than University
I've met a billion and one girls who are smokingly hot, smart as fuck, can hold a meaningful conversation, and are funny as hell too
I learned some organizational skills (still need polishing) but skills that I wouldn't have learned anywhere else

So all in all, it's not the money you go for but everything else is priceless. The people, the environment where everyone is learning and all that can't be put into words, its so amazingly great that it changes a person. The mistake people make is thinking that their education entitles them to anything. But if you're going to do everything for the money for your entire life then what's the point of living, you need to experience things, meet people and have fun and University is a damn good place for all of those things!

My ba in psychology is the most useless degree ever. I couldnt get a job in my field despite having it. What it all comes down to is work experience, not the degree.

Thanks for the entertainment today

I will scan some of my degrees for you and then you can use your design skills to photoshop your name on them. That should make you feel better and raise your self esteem a little. :frenchman

Your posts are pointless.

But they still amuse me.

:2 cents:

And who exactly are these "puppet masters in (sic) society" that you speak of?

"This graph shows the median household income in accordance with the householder's educational attainment. The data only applies to household with a householder over the age of twenty-five.[18]"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ion_Income.jpg

most of it :)

i date accountants, oil managers and women who make just as much as i do and they are all smoking and i never set foot in a college.

i am smarter then 100% of my friends who went to college and it is because i have real world experience and knowledge, not some bullshit i read out of a textbook.

again i love how people talk about the university experience. you must have had rich parents who babied you through life anyway so you dont count because you have no sense of the real world anyway.

my buddies who went to university were broke, at fuckin kraft dinner and rahman noodles, drank cheap beer and smoked weed all day while studying while living in a shitty house with 5-8 other guys or girls.

what an amazing experience!!! while they were in school i was out traveling the world building my business, ill take my experience over theirs anyday.

stop making it sound like university is the only place to learn, you are so blinded it is not even funny, i dont need my puppet masters to teach me what i should be thinking i go out in the real world and discover it for myself. :2 cents:

The best years of your life are spent in college/university. I bet what you would have experienced in school would have trumped 'travelling the world building my business'

100 useless degrees

MetaMan your facts are utterly bullshit. I could quote every of your posts and prove you wrong but I am not willing to waste any time on trying to educate you. You have a very naive view on basically everything.
Following your logic 90% of people with a college degree end up on welfare but those without education all become successful entrepreneurs making millions running their own business, right?
And following your logic people with a college degree get replaced by outsourced Chinese labor. Well it's not the educated people but those without college degrees who lose their jobs to outsourced labor.

I think deep in your heart you are just jealous because you will never be part of the "elite" and therefore you call all of us educated people sheep and want to prove us that you are much more successful and you have achieved much more without a college education than we do.
There is so much more I would like to say but I will stop as I know it would be completely wasted time and you would not understand it anyway or not want to understand it.

Honestly you are pathetic.

:1orglaugh

this is the funniest thing i have heard all week.

not even close.

Recently I have been wondering how things would have turned out if I had gone to college instead of working right out of High School ...

At the time I had no money for university and had to live on my own 100% when high school ended. Alot of my friends had the opportunity to go to college when in reality - I had to earn a living to live somewhere.

The idea of living on ramen and being broke beyond broke did not look attractive to me at the time.

I went into IT sales in 1997 and each year since 2000 have successfully earned well over $100k annually. This year is the exception where I have already clocked $150k and on target to at least $225k.

I'm also paying my house off in the next year, own my 2 trucks, have no debt currently ( no loans, credit cards, etc ) and decent amount of cash in the bank. In my view, life is really what you make it when it comes to wanting to make more money.

I grew up on welfare. To this day - my parents have no cash, no money anywhere in the family but, there was a lot of love.

One of my good friends that has a law degree said to me when we talked about my missing college: You buy trucks for cash, you have no student loans, you travel all over and you make far more than most by using your experience and skills rather than what you were told what to think in school.

I have people that work for me that DID go to school and 99% of the time - Their degree has nothing to do what we do as a trade day to day in the IT consulting space I am in.

To each their own. :thumbsup

He's a troll. That is to say, don't take anything he ever posts as his actual opinion. Only reply if you're in the mood for some pointless arguing, but never take it seriously.

but it is not each to their own the majority of these types will try to shove it down their throat as if they have achieved something more when that is not the case at all. or talk about an "expierience" it is all to funny to me.

and somehow there is millions who made it without school but we are all "the exceptions" :1orglaugh

dude it is a fact you date 16 year old girls because you are to much of a loser to find anyone near your age, i think to the girls' parents you are the one who is the troll. :2 cents:

OWNED :1orglaugh

I will say it again

you arent saying anything you are linking to a graph from wikipedia, where is the article to go along with it? what was the years this was taken?

you will have to do better then that.

i dont care anymore. College season just ended, my planning that i would be done with it didnt come through, also because i just dont care about it anymore. When im on the pc im working for myself, even when i had planned on working for college assignments and shit. I think ill take a year break from college and just do my work only, maybe ill pick it up later again.

My girlfriend is 23, actually. But nice try, troll :thumbsup

dont play dumb, do you want me to dig up the thread where you dated a 16 year old? you are "punkworld" or watever the fuck your name used to be.

same punk different nickname. :2 cents:

Wait... you seriously believe that people without college degrees earn more on average than those with degrees? There are exceptions but that's far from being the norm.

please quote where i said that?

he didnt say anything all he did was post an image of a graph.

i like to actually READ articles to go along with graphs.

my math degree helps me do simple stats..lol

it helps me think of large systems etc

but whatever...i didnt need it really...but wouldnt trade the time i spent there for anything

How nice to see that you remember me :)

And yes, I dated 16 year olds. Keyword being "dated". As in, in the past. When I was younger. I'm in my mid-twenties, and I joined this board 6 years ago. Do the math :)

But anyway, enjoy your stay. Considering the amount of time you spend here, doing nothing but trolling, you must have a wonderful life :thumbsup

I knew from before I went to highschool really that I wasn't going to go to college or university, I was always busy doing my own things.. It was just obvious to not go.

However.. In retrospect I definitely missed some of the skills that would have been gained in university, like working hard at something you don't enjoy, spending long hours reading and writing about various things, being on time to class, struggling with having to budget, these kinds of things..

Also when I see what some other more educated people do with their businesses, it puts me to shame.. Like this one dude on saw on TV, opened a smoothie store, and grew to FORTY STORES in his first year. Within 5 years he had 200 franchised stores.

I don't think I could do that. You need more that just hustle, you need lots of knowledge, preparation, studying, research, then actually to execute on it that way, pretty mind blowing.

Same with running a huge company, if you don't go to university, there's really a small chance. You just won't be prepared to handle it. That's why so many companies have founders that don't do much anymore, because they were smart enough to hand over their successful business to someone with a real MBA at some point and say you drive for a while.

haha see i have a good memory. :thumbsup

i do have a great life it is amazing being your own boss and working from anywhere in the world, nothing like it!

i dont have to change a thing i bring the computer wire it in and it is like i am at home. i wouldnt trade it for almost anything in the world. :thumbsup