Thanks for the tip.

Most illegal tubes are owned by sponsors or have been purchased by them, the major ones at least. Can't speak for all the small ones.

You aren't giving away your product for free, it's being stolen. You aren't trying to make a free business model, just happens piracy is creating part of one. Sucks?

Conversion wise, if you look the traffic a "gallery" gets vs the sales it produces, the ratio is just as bad/good as Tube/Piracy traffic. Other than password traffic which sucks ass but is great for trading out for fresh traffic.

All how you use the traffic, it all converts. Piracy isn't what killing our sales just like password sites didn't them.

Be back in a few hours.

Haha, I love the haters.

I'm actually very proud of myself.. I have been here since 2001, I think... and I think 3 people have put me on ignore. I fucking love it - more bitches, more! Let me know I'm striking a nerve!

Sales off 10 - 15%? Who gives a shit...

Motorhome sales are off 80%... SUV sales 35%... Gas sales are off....

Just like liquor and cigarettes we will get hit the least...

Hmm... How did you get off of ignore.... hmm...

All this hurting and year over year comparisons on my ledger show me still 25%+ more revenue vs. last year.... go figure...

:throwup @ that pic

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CD sales are falling.

Live shows, endorsements, etc. are growing. Music sales, however, are most definitely not.

Downloading a porn scene in decent enough quality to jerk off to takes far less time than downloading a dvd iso. Which is why you can't compare the movie industry with the adult industry.

If people follow the news at all, they know people are getting sued for downloading music. For many older people, that's scary enough not to do it.

Look at the amount of people who get their computers infected with easy to avoid trojans, viruses and adware. A fair amount of these people don't even know that it is in fact possible to connect their computers to their tv.

Are you really this bloody clueless?

There's a decent amount of people who will pirate if it's possible and relatively easy, but will buy if that's the only simple option. Just look at college students, who download music instead of buying cds these days.

It lowers sales because a specific group of consumers will be disinclined to buy when pirating is a real option. Other groups of people might not know that they can easily download the same stuff, are afraid of getting sued, like the convenience of buying, etc.

It really isn't that fucking hard to figure out :disgust

you are not allowed to tell the truth on this board, sales are GREAT, ask any program owner

GET OUTTA MAH HEAD!!! :thumbsup

Couldnt agree with you more, Doc.

CD sales can fall all day, doesn't mean the music industry is hurting. Just like Tapes died off, just another cycle that they don't want to deal with.



[QUOTE=Libertine;14500234]Downloading a porn scene in decent enough quality to jerk off to takes far less time than downloading a dvd iso. Which is why you can't compare the You can watch all movies online (porn and mainstream) on Tube sites now. Streaming flash movies, broken into sections, that even 56k dialup users can watch. And old people, don't buy porn - and young people, don't give a shit either way. Guess we are screwed all around.



Just like people don't know how to download porn, or use torrents, or pirate, or even where to get pirated content. So they have no need or care to watch it on the TV. However, the growth of TV watching (legal) online has grown by huge leaps and bounds, enough that advertisers are moving over.

Clueless? You just explained what I said. Some people will always pirate, will you be able to stop that? Hell no, but they may talk, they may recommend, they can rave about how good something was, even porn - even more so if we are talking about college students.

So if piracy is going to happen either way, what do you do? You do as you always did and you go get more fresh traffic. Stop thinking so small and closed minded. As if every person online is going to find your pirated content, even know it's pirated, or be willing to anything but spend money on it. And pirated traffic is worth $$ too, it can make sales, be exchanged out and make sales or for fresh traffic which draws in sales.

You guys act like every scene, every site, and every person is taking part in Piracy, when the true amount of people is so low to the global scale of surfers, you guys hurt my head by thinking so small.

find new revenue streams. find new avenues to fill them.

people do not like change. tough shit.

it's happening. ride the wave or face plant into the coral below the water.

simple as that.

CD sales are falling, paid digital downloads aren't rising quickly enough to compensate for the drop, neither is income from touring.

Watching porn on a streamed flash site is perfectly doable. Watching blockbuster movies with lots of special effects in that quality, however, is a waste of time.

And actually, old people do buy porn.

Many don't know how to download porn from tubes sites and torrents, true. Those are the ones who keep buying. It's why the adult industry will continue to have a fairly large base of paying customers.

People who pirate porn and then recommend it will typically send a link to the torrent or tube site. Or they'll upload it to rapidshare for others to watch.

If piracy is going to happen either way, what you do is this: make less money than you would make without piracy.

It's not about *every* person. It's about a percentage of people. A percentage of people that would have bought otherwise will download for free if possible.

And sure, you can make money and grow your business even if the industry as a whole loses business.

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Like I said, you're clueless.

Try and see this in terms of percentages rather than booleans. It's not an all or nothing situation. It's just a significant negative influence on sales.

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Music is bigger than ever and growing faster than ever. Just because our lame music industry is hurting does not mean globally it is. Half our bands suck total ass and don't deserve to be on the radio, in stores, or being paid shit.

Music is going nuts... finally we are able to find and listen to music we want to listen too and not be forced trash that repeats 10000 times. More bands are being recognized around the world that ever and slowly the trash is being taken out.

Waste of time? Mainstream movie piracy is far larger than porn piracy, in every way.

Exactly, just like they download music.


Ok, we have plenty of people that will buy, I know this.

That's again assuming people who look at pirated content don't purchase. People are looking for free porn, and find piracy, use it, and don't know it was pirated.



Yeah, everyone knows that.... but you seem to just be ignoring the fact that it isn't going away, either way.

Correct, and the percentage of people that only download/steal pirate "porn", and never buy, is very very small to the global scale of online surfers at any given time.

The "online porn industry" is leveling off, not taking a dive. The U.S. porn market, is taking a dive, in some areas. Even posting Alexa, tells me you don't have a single clue as what is really going on.

I can tell you one simple and major reason why U.S. "hosted" (not companies) took several major dives over the last 3 years. Google, straight up. Twice the de-listed most of the U.S. hosted adult sites, along with others. At this point, regional search kicked in even larger. Along with these, came major penalties for 1000's of top/clean adult sites - some still have not recovered.

So instead of actually killing our industry, they evened it out, 3 different times, across the globe. You can see statistical drops "in alexa" and see just about every major free adult site (tgp/mpg) and paysites, took massive deadly hits during those times. Even Yahoo has done some serious cleaning, removing millions of affiliate links, that all did drive in traffic/sales. However, the International market, well they grew, about the same % we lost.

I know what the hell is going on and what has happened. I know the U.S. porn market was on a statistical down slide 1.5 years before Tubes/Torrents became an issue, and DVD sales have been on a slide for 10+ years. I know why it happened, I know every down turn that has taken place.

Piracy... it's a tiny dot in the grand scale of things. You are thinking to small.