That's a very good possibility for Russia to see which country governments are the real enemies. I believe that Russian people will take that into consideration and remember that for a long time...

who lives the closet? and want to get us some video?:thumbsup to the conflict i mean be careful:winkwink:

commie = a socialist who advocates communism

Every war or conflict is full of propaganda whether it comes from the aggressor or the defender, its part of war

As I said already. The BBC has shown only one point of view and this is very typical for such a politicized news channel. Some one told that Russian news are just propaganda BS. Perhaps there is a lot of propaganda. But(!!!) at least Russian news show both sides. The western media doesn't do that. That's a simple fact.

P.S. In contrast to "free" and "democratic" Georgia, Russia has not restricted an access to all the available news sources (any news channels around the world and no Internet censorship). So it's just one more reason to get a clue which country is more free and democratic :2 cents:

Hey man, I watch them and CNN all the time. Voice of america also and having laugh how they news are presented intentionally, without giving all informations. Voice of america is most stupid of all, and I think that even people who don't know what is going on can't believe this silly news.And I am not talking just about current "problem" in Ossetia .It is not current because Georgians were buying American arms long ago and were prepared for this,with American support.(like there is always some American influence in most place where is war in the world).

Georgian blog in russian.
Russian tanks in Poti.
Woman has observed russians in her window.
She does not understand why Russians do not shoot? :1orglaugh

translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpepsikolka.livejournal.co m

see comments to her posts too.

Huh? You gotta be kidding me! He actually summarized USA up pretty good. You do know USA is not the only North American country right? If you did, I doubt you'd be dragging Canada into that equation.. Bush wasn't able to sell his ass destruction preach to Canadians :2 cents:

funny how uninformed you are :

August 10th, 2008
Georgian troops returning from Iraq
Posted: 03:29 PM ET

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) ? Georgian troops began flying back to their home country from Iraq on Sunday as the former Soviet republic battled Russian troops in the breakaway territory of South Ossetia, Georgian and U.S. officials said.

The first of those troops returned to Georgia?s capital on Sunday, Georgia?s government said, but an Interior Ministry spokesman would not specify how many had returned.

Georgia has asked the United States for an airlift to carry home its 2,000 troops, which had been stationed near the Iranian border in Iraq. In Baghdad, a U.S. military spokesman confirmed that those flights were were under way Sunday.


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08...ing-from-iraq/


.. and how you try to make believe that you are .... :2 cents:

"unrealistic fear of unknown
God only would no casualties
unclear if they were Russian tanks, why so quietly, no shootings, and Everything?
People in shock
put
does not understand"

This shows how hardly the Georgian people are brainwashed. This women thought that Russians will came to kill them all because Saakashvili told her that. But what a surprise! Russians came but they don't shoot anyone. :)

Poor Georgian people deprived the information and scared by Saakashvili's schizophrenic tales about bloody Russians. Shit, these "bad Russians" were protecting Georgians for hundreds of years! They the ppl have such a short memory?

P.S. I really feel for civilian Georgians brainwashed and used by a slutty whore and coward Saakashvili :(

Arguing about free and democratic between Russia and Georgia is like arguing what smells better, poop or vomit.

Guys, read the Georgian blog. Read that REAL Georgian people say. They are not being bombed, shot etc.

E.g.: "Just looked out the window, except dust on the main street says nothing about that now there were riding armored vehicles. Our guys play dominoes at the yard and tired to argue already. On TV, someone stands, there is not news."

Isn't it "a bit" different to what you hear from Saakashvili, CNN and BBC? So where is a propaganda? Which exactly media channels spread the lies?

Don't trust anyone. Trust South Ossetians and Georgian civilians only. All other info is NOT OBJECTIVE.

Exactly. Because Georgia has blocked all the foreign TV news and an access to the .ru domains in the Internet (most Georgians speak Russian but not English). So only a complete idiot will be able to say that Georgia is free and democratic country. If you think this way, I sincerely feel for you because such a level of imbecility is a serious sickness and it's incurable unfortunately :(

Once again for all the brainwashed ones. This is a .com blog where civilian Georgians are able to write: http://pepsikolka.livejournal.com/ As you can see, they write in Russian but not in English. They say their government has blocked all he information. They are scared with Saakashvili's statements that Russians came to Georgia to KILL THEM ALL. Fuck, open your eyes and READ!

Russians came to Georgia for coward Saakashvili's ass and I hope they will get him dead or alive (the second is better because this bloody butcher have to be SUED). He is scared for his own power and life. He still remember that he become a president of Georgia in result of a coup d'etat. So he knows how it happens... The only bad thing that he may use his scared and brainwashed people like a live shield in a last hope to protect himself. Haven't you seen him on video? It was shown even on CNN! He's fucking scared and looks totally insane. Such persons are very dangerous. They are dangerous for his own people. Do you remember Hitler?

P.S. How anyone can consider a country democratic if its leader prays to Stalin and Beria? Are you fuckin' crazy???

russia is full of shit their invading the whole country not just that town what a load of crap:thumbsup

So you are supporting regime change in Georgia then? I would have thought based on your many comments about US actions in Iraq that you would be opposed to unilateral regime change without UN approval....... or is that only when the US is doing the it? Wouldn't regime change in Georgia be a war crime?

Certainly Saddam was more dangerous than Saakashvili. He certainly had been responsible for the deaths of more innocents and had instigated war against his neighbors two times (Kuwait and Iran).

How can the removal of Saddam be a "war crime" but the removal of Saakashvili without UN approval be a good thing. Does this mean you no longer support the UN and international law? Does this mean you will stop calling the Americans "war criminals"?

"Regime change" sounds soooooooooo American to me. I support an attempt of catching war criminal Saakashvili and bringing him to a justice. As about the regime - I don't care about it because I don't live in Georgia. Let's Georgians decide what they want.

I hope I've expressed my personal point very clear.

You have expressed your point quite clearly that you have different standards for Russian military actions than for American military actions. Bringing the war criminal Saddam to justice was a "war crime" but bringing the war criminal Saakashvili to justice without UN approval is Russia's divine right.

It is a shame that you don't try to apply your principles evenly to all situations.

Switch out Saakashvili with Saddam and Georgia with Iraq and it's the same thing.

That's not correct because:
1) Saddam HAS NOT KILLED American citizens, so the USA had no right to punish him for anything. Saakashvili has.
2) Iraq was invaded not because of Saddam (the facts states that: Saddam is dead, but the US army is still in Iraq). The US army came into Iraq for oil. It's not hard to find out which exactly companies gained a license on mining the Iraqi oil.

So Iraq is a different story. If you'd mention about Osama and Afghanistan instead of Saddam and Iraq it would be a better example. I admit the US attempt to catch him wherever he is, including Afghanistan, Pakistan or any other country.

You are wrong. Note my explanation above for "why?"

Get a clue or read my posts carefully. Saddam is not comparable to Saakashvili, but Osama is. Any more illogical comments?

As about the US relation to the war in Georgia. You can't see the target, but I can and time will show who was right. I believe that the real target is Iran and Iranian resources, so let's wait a bit and see what will happen next. Ok?

Saddam funded terrorists who killed American soldiers and Israeli citizens.

Resident of Georgia blog.
Read this:

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

cyberxxx, why are you so passionate about all this ??

Hello Mr. Dick Cheney, how are you? :1orglaugh

russian propaganda guy or just one bored individual.

Right now we have:

~2000 killed peace people
~30 killed peacekeepers

It is all bulshit...Let Peace rule the world

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev orders an end to Russian operations against Georgia.

"I've decided to finish the operation to force the Georgian authorities to peace. The safety of our peacekeeping forces and civilian population has been restored."

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7555858.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...war/index.html

Do you think Russia�s actions in Georgia are justified?
Yes -- it's peacekeeping 92% 329578
No -- it's an invasion 8% 27655

xttp://edition.cnn.com/

Because I'm Russian and I don't like when another hitler killing our citizens. Is that so strange?

There are lots of freeminded people in this World and that's just great.

FYI: Russian propaganda guy would not post links to Georgian blogs here.

BTW, you haven't answered to my previous question. How many Jews were executed by you Ukrainian SS grandpa during WWII? Has he got any medals for that?

For what the hell the American soldiers were in Israel. In the INDEPENDENT COUNTRY? If the USA is going to send their soldier to other countries, they should be ready have them killed. Also, Saddam hasn't sent anyone there OFFICIALLY. All the Iraqi "terrorists" were just mercenaries.

Saakashvilli used his REGULAR ARMY against Russian citizens in South Ossetia. He did it officially. His genocide military operation was planned and it was named "Clean Field" which says it all. Interesting info, right?

On the other hand, the US soldiers/military instructors also frighted against Soviet and Russian armies who were fighting the terrorists in Afghanistan, Chechnya and now in South Ossetia. Did you know that? Now try to use your brain and understand WHY exactly your statement above is totally stupid.

P.S. Right now the Georgian army is totally disorganized. You may already know they were running away from the way of Russian tank group (you can read about it in civilian Georgian blogs - some links can be found above). Seems the USA spent a lot of money for nothing and their military instructors were unable to do a good job they were paid for :2 cents:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4509692.ece

Georgian army flees in disarray as Russians advance

The Georgian Army was in complete disarray last night after troops and tanks fled the town of Gori in panic and abandoned it to the Russians without firing a shot.

As Russian armoured columns rolled deep into central and western Georgia, seizing several towns and a military base, President Saakashvili said that his country had been cut in half.

For the first time since the crisis erupted last Thursday, Russia admitted that its troops had moved out of Abkhazia, the other breakaway region under Moscow?s protection, and seized the town of Senaki in Georgia proper. Russian officials again insisted that they had no intention of occupying territory beyond South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Georgia said that the Russian Army was also in command of the towns of Zugdidi and Kurga in the west, and its tanks appeared to be moving from the north and the west towards Tbilisi, the capital.

he retreat from Gori, the birthplace of Joseph Stalin, was as humiliating as it was sudden and dramatic. The Times witnessed scores of tanks and armoured personnel carriers, laden with soldiers, speeding through the town away from what Georgian officials claimed was an imminent Russian invasion.

Residents watched in horror as their army abandoned its positions after a day of increasingly aggressive exchanges of fire along the border with South Ossetia, the breakaway region now fully under Russian control.

Jeeps and pick-up trucks filled with Georgian soldiers raced through the streets, their occupants frantically signalling to civilians that they too should flee. The road out of Gori towards Tbilisi was a scene of chaos and fear as cars jockeyed with tanks for a speedy escape.

Soldiers left by any means available. Dozens of troops clung to cars on the back of a transporter lorry, while five other soldiers fled on one quad bike.

A tank had exploded on the mountain road leaving Gori, although it was unclear what had caused the blast. The Times passed an armoured car in flames, soldiers leaping from the roof of the vehicle. It had apparently caught fire while trying to bulldoze the tank?s burning shell out of the way. Columns of Georgian tanks and heavy weaponry filled the road during the 50-mile journey back to Tbilisi as thousands of soldiers, many looking totally demoralised, headed for the capital. Police sealed off the highway from Tbilisi, turning back the few cars that ventured towards Gori.

The Russian attacks were met with Georgian artillery fire towards South Ossetia, despite President Saakashvili?s statement that he had called a ceasefire. Reporters later witnessed at least six Georgian helicopters attacking targets in South Ossetia.

Elsewhere, Russian armoured personnel carriers swept into Senaki, 20 miles inland from the Georgian Black Sea port of Poti, which Russian troops were also said to be attacking.

Georgia said that Russian forces seized police stations in Zugdidi, where reporters saw Russian soldiers posted outside an Interior Ministry building and armoured vehicles moving through the town.

It was unclear last night where the tanks fleeing from Gori were heading, but many of the troops regrouped on the outskirts of Tbilisi as if preparing to make a stand to defend the capital. Some artillery pieces had also been sited on the approach road from Gori.

The panic had been triggered at about 5pm, when troops suddenly started pouring out of Gori. Officials from the Georgian Interior Ministry claimed that up to 7,000 Russian troops with tanks were heading for the town and that it was under imminent threat of bombardment. A similar panic had ensued on Sunday night as thousands of people poured from the town, in what turned out to be a false alarm. The fear this time was more tangible, the sense of threat more real, as Gori?s streets emptied rapidly.

Not everyone was prepared to leave, however. One man said: ?This is my city. I will never leave it even if the Russians come here and kill me. Why should I go to Tbilisi and wait for them there??

The Georgian Government, which appealed for international support, claimed later that Russian troops had entered Gori, although there was no independent confirmation of this.

As the noose appeared to tighten around Tbilisi, the US State Department evacuated more than 170 American citizens. Poland and several other former Soviet satellites voiced fears that the fighting indicated Russia?s willingness to use force to regain its dominance of the region.

Even at the height of the chaos, Georgia?s legendary hospitality never faltered. A 70-year-old woman named Eteri retreated into her home and appeared moments later to offer apples from her garden to her guests. ?I am not afraid,? she said. ?We have lived with the Russians for 100 years so why do we need this war now? I don?t want to be with America; I think we should live peacefully with the Russians.?

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4509692.ece

FACT: If you consider the article above just another KGB propaganda, you are an idiot.

LOOOOOOOOOL I'm from Georgia, but live in Moscow :)
And I know who right and how says bullshit......

:thumbsup :1orglaugh

P.S. 2adult-help: now you know who we are (I mean the people from your list). Actually I never tried to hide that I'm Russian. So what? Who cares about my nationality except a bunch of useless noobs? I don't have any business with kids, I'm working with big guys - the serious and wise people here, so I don't give a shit about you and about your silly conclusions. :2 cents:

cyberxxx: Your aggression in this thread makes no doubt about who started this war.

you are getting a boner seeing russian soldiers occupating Georgia, right? Thats your fetish? You spent more then 10 years in the US and still speak thick russian accent. What is that with you? A form of nostalgy joining russian spree for Georgia? No one here except russian morons used F words and been going on people who disagree with you, thats how Russian love to be? On top? You are just a miserable excremental stain on this spot, and you know that.

I second that. You should remember Russian tanks too.

Sounds like the 40s...next thing you know they'll be back in the baltics!?!?!!

I'm sorry, but only after Ukraine. Wait us, we come soon.
Canada, in next year I guess. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Who is there? :)

THIS IS THE REAL AGGRESSION:
Moron.

No, but I feel pride for my country protecting its civilians.

Not decided yet. Perhaps coding :)

I NEVER was to the USA. Refresh your info please.

So what's about your Nazi grandpa? no answer so far and that's a bit strange for me :disgust

:error

Soviet tanks. Idiot, those were SOVIET tanks and you are responsible for them, because Ukraine was a same part of Soviet Union like Russia. Furthermore, Mr. Hrustsev was an Ukrainian. So STFU please :winkwink:

And Hrustsev gives Sevastopol to Ukrain too...... becouse it was much easy to print maps..... He not asked ppl about it......

man put the weapons down and shake hands :) peace

I concur.

BTW just watch this video:



It looks like "someone" was really dreaming to start a WWIII in this August :helpme :winkwink:

news everywhere! So damn noisy to me!