I really don't know. The only thing I know for sure, Putin and Medvedev have a serious will to get Saakashvili and punish him for war crimes (perhaps in Hague). They also want to show everyone that murdering of Russian citizens will not more be tolerated. Russia is not the same as it was 15 years ago. The country have enough power to do that. I strong believe that no one is going to join Georgia to Russia. Georgia is not the target, but Saakashvili is.

So.... There could be many possible scenarios. I also think that USA have set up Saakashvili and will use this situation to start a war against Iran. They already re-grouping their forces in zone of the Persian Gulf. Do you know about that?

When I'm reading the news, I'm trying to see the real goals of all the participants for a near future. The USA is a participant, and course they were planning this and will use it for their own purposes. Georgia is not so important for them right now. Their real target is Iran.

Everything above is 100% IMHO of course. I'm not a Nostradamus :)

cyberxxx, раскажи им про то как наши в Поти прогулялись, что грузинские блоггеры пишут. У меня английского хватает только что бы подъебнуть.

Так ты выкладывай ссылки прямо сюда через google translator - пусть люди читают прямо из первоисточника. Пересказыывать что пишут грузины своими словами не есть хорошая идею. Пусть читают в оригинале.

georgia needs to cease fire and ask 4 a withdrawl of commies

P.S. For those who don't understand Russian. I've just suggested to post there the links to Georgian blogs processed google translator so everyone can read them in English right for the original source.

Who are commies? Haven't you know that Stalin and Beria are Saakashvile's personal idols. I'm not joking - that's a 100% truth.

So you spread references directly here through google translator - let people read directly from the primary source. Пересказыывать that Georgians the words write not is good idea. Let read in the original.

претты ханды тоол тханкс

Watching BBC right now. Everything is about Georgia and almost nothing about South Ossetia. It even looks that Russian have bombed Ossetia but not Georgians. No interviews with Ossetian and Abkhazian people. But there is BUG interview with Saakashvili right now. If you have an access to BBC you can see it by yourself.

Is that objective news? isn't that a propaganda? Huh.

That's a very good possibility for Russia to see which country governments are the real enemies. I believe that Russian people will take that into consideration and remember that for a long time...

who lives the closet? and want to get us some video?:thumbsup to the conflict i mean be careful:winkwink:

commie = a socialist who advocates communism

Every war or conflict is full of propaganda whether it comes from the aggressor or the defender, its part of war

As I said already. The BBC has shown only one point of view and this is very typical for such a politicized news channel. Some one told that Russian news are just propaganda BS. Perhaps there is a lot of propaganda. But(!!!) at least Russian news show both sides. The western media doesn't do that. That's a simple fact.

P.S. In contrast to "free" and "democratic" Georgia, Russia has not restricted an access to all the available news sources (any news channels around the world and no Internet censorship). So it's just one more reason to get a clue which country is more free and democratic :2 cents:

Hey man, I watch them and CNN all the time. Voice of america also and having laugh how they news are presented intentionally, without giving all informations. Voice of america is most stupid of all, and I think that even people who don't know what is going on can't believe this silly news.And I am not talking just about current "problem" in Ossetia .It is not current because Georgians were buying American arms long ago and were prepared for this,with American support.(like there is always some American influence in most place where is war in the world).

Georgian blog in russian.
Russian tanks in Poti.
Woman has observed russians in her window.
She does not understand why Russians do not shoot? :1orglaugh

translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fpepsikolka.livejournal.co m

see comments to her posts too.

Huh? You gotta be kidding me! He actually summarized USA up pretty good. You do know USA is not the only North American country right? If you did, I doubt you'd be dragging Canada into that equation.. Bush wasn't able to sell his ass destruction preach to Canadians :2 cents:

funny how uninformed you are :

August 10th, 2008
Georgian troops returning from Iraq
Posted: 03:29 PM ET

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) ? Georgian troops began flying back to their home country from Iraq on Sunday as the former Soviet republic battled Russian troops in the breakaway territory of South Ossetia, Georgian and U.S. officials said.

The first of those troops returned to Georgia?s capital on Sunday, Georgia?s government said, but an Interior Ministry spokesman would not specify how many had returned.

Georgia has asked the United States for an airlift to carry home its 2,000 troops, which had been stationed near the Iranian border in Iraq. In Baghdad, a U.S. military spokesman confirmed that those flights were were under way Sunday.


http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08...ing-from-iraq/


.. and how you try to make believe that you are .... :2 cents:

"unrealistic fear of unknown
God only would no casualties
unclear if they were Russian tanks, why so quietly, no shootings, and Everything?
People in shock
put
does not understand"

This shows how hardly the Georgian people are brainwashed. This women thought that Russians will came to kill them all because Saakashvili told her that. But what a surprise! Russians came but they don't shoot anyone. :)

Poor Georgian people deprived the information and scared by Saakashvili's schizophrenic tales about bloody Russians. Shit, these "bad Russians" were protecting Georgians for hundreds of years! They the ppl have such a short memory?

P.S. I really feel for civilian Georgians brainwashed and used by a slutty whore and coward Saakashvili :(

Arguing about free and democratic between Russia and Georgia is like arguing what smells better, poop or vomit.

Guys, read the Georgian blog. Read that REAL Georgian people say. They are not being bombed, shot etc.

E.g.: "Just looked out the window, except dust on the main street says nothing about that now there were riding armored vehicles. Our guys play dominoes at the yard and tired to argue already. On TV, someone stands, there is not news."

Isn't it "a bit" different to what you hear from Saakashvili, CNN and BBC? So where is a propaganda? Which exactly media channels spread the lies?

Don't trust anyone. Trust South Ossetians and Georgian civilians only. All other info is NOT OBJECTIVE.

Exactly. Because Georgia has blocked all the foreign TV news and an access to the .ru domains in the Internet (most Georgians speak Russian but not English). So only a complete idiot will be able to say that Georgia is free and democratic country. If you think this way, I sincerely feel for you because such a level of imbecility is a serious sickness and it's incurable unfortunately :(

Once again for all the brainwashed ones. This is a .com blog where civilian Georgians are able to write: http://pepsikolka.livejournal.com/ As you can see, they write in Russian but not in English. They say their government has blocked all he information. They are scared with Saakashvili's statements that Russians came to Georgia to KILL THEM ALL. Fuck, open your eyes and READ!

Russians came to Georgia for coward Saakashvili's ass and I hope they will get him dead or alive (the second is better because this bloody butcher have to be SUED). He is scared for his own power and life. He still remember that he become a president of Georgia in result of a coup d'etat. So he knows how it happens... The only bad thing that he may use his scared and brainwashed people like a live shield in a last hope to protect himself. Haven't you seen him on video? It was shown even on CNN! He's fucking scared and looks totally insane. Such persons are very dangerous. They are dangerous for his own people. Do you remember Hitler?

P.S. How anyone can consider a country democratic if its leader prays to Stalin and Beria? Are you fuckin' crazy???

russia is full of shit their invading the whole country not just that town what a load of crap:thumbsup

So you are supporting regime change in Georgia then? I would have thought based on your many comments about US actions in Iraq that you would be opposed to unilateral regime change without UN approval....... or is that only when the US is doing the it? Wouldn't regime change in Georgia be a war crime?

Certainly Saddam was more dangerous than Saakashvili. He certainly had been responsible for the deaths of more innocents and had instigated war against his neighbors two times (Kuwait and Iran).

How can the removal of Saddam be a "war crime" but the removal of Saakashvili without UN approval be a good thing. Does this mean you no longer support the UN and international law? Does this mean you will stop calling the Americans "war criminals"?

"Regime change" sounds soooooooooo American to me. I support an attempt of catching war criminal Saakashvili and bringing him to a justice. As about the regime - I don't care about it because I don't live in Georgia. Let's Georgians decide what they want.

I hope I've expressed my personal point very clear.

You have expressed your point quite clearly that you have different standards for Russian military actions than for American military actions. Bringing the war criminal Saddam to justice was a "war crime" but bringing the war criminal Saakashvili to justice without UN approval is Russia's divine right.

It is a shame that you don't try to apply your principles evenly to all situations.

Switch out Saakashvili with Saddam and Georgia with Iraq and it's the same thing.

That's not correct because:
1) Saddam HAS NOT KILLED American citizens, so the USA had no right to punish him for anything. Saakashvili has.
2) Iraq was invaded not because of Saddam (the facts states that: Saddam is dead, but the US army is still in Iraq). The US army came into Iraq for oil. It's not hard to find out which exactly companies gained a license on mining the Iraqi oil.

So Iraq is a different story. If you'd mention about Osama and Afghanistan instead of Saddam and Iraq it would be a better example. I admit the US attempt to catch him wherever he is, including Afghanistan, Pakistan or any other country.

You are wrong. Note my explanation above for "why?"

Get a clue or read my posts carefully. Saddam is not comparable to Saakashvili, but Osama is. Any more illogical comments?

As about the US relation to the war in Georgia. You can't see the target, but I can and time will show who was right. I believe that the real target is Iran and Iranian resources, so let's wait a bit and see what will happen next. Ok?

Saddam funded terrorists who killed American soldiers and Israeli citizens.

Resident of Georgia blog.
Read this:

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

cyberxxx, why are you so passionate about all this ??

Hello Mr. Dick Cheney, how are you? :1orglaugh

russian propaganda guy or just one bored individual.

Right now we have:

~2000 killed peace people
~30 killed peacekeepers

It is all bulshit...Let Peace rule the world

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev orders an end to Russian operations against Georgia.

"I've decided to finish the operation to force the Georgian authorities to peace. The safety of our peacekeeping forces and civilian population has been restored."

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7555858.stm

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/eu...war/index.html

Do you think Russia�s actions in Georgia are justified?
Yes -- it's peacekeeping 92% 329578
No -- it's an invasion 8% 27655

xttp://edition.cnn.com/