BTW, who asked for Russian "demonstrations" regarding Georgian genocide in South Ossetia? Watch this: http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28945/video - that's what Russians think about it.

Many guys told here that Russian news are propaganda bullshit, especially when I was posting articles from Russian sources. But it was interesting to see their reaction when the same info was published in western media two days later after it was published by Russia. More and more facts will be coming these days. CNN even shown a footage from destroyed Tshinvali city and commented it like the video came from Georgian Gori. What' a fuckin' lie! Fortunately there are freeminded people who can see the lie: http://www.prisonplanet.com/russian-...g-footage.html

CNN fell down even for stealing the video which is not belong to their company.

BTW proof about this footage is not even required. There are RUSSIAN soldiers and South Ossetian militia shown on video (not the Georgians) - I can identify the Russian uniform. BTW, on some frames you can even see a singe hospital of Tshinvali destroyed by Georgian "grads" during their "clean field" operation in a first night of the conflict.

What's a shame for CNN and all your western media :(

I can't be the only American being driven crazy by this western manta of disproportionate Russian response...

What exactly is toppling two separate nation states (and killing hundred of thousands of civilians in the process), because non-national entities toppled a few buildings and killed a few thousand citizens - proportionate?

I'm not saying whether or not I agree with either response.

I'd just like people with no moral authority to get off their high horses.



That includes you, cyberxxx - I saw you post earlier about the legality of the peacekeeping mission. Do you on honestly believe that mission gives the Russian troops legal authority to occupy Gori and advance half-way to Tbilisi?

Yes, a peace keeping military operation is always includes suppression of all the aggressor's base (depots, airports etc) that can be used for attack. Doesn't matter where they are. Think about 9/11 and Afghanistan for example. Russians have no problem with a proper understanding why the USA came there. If you remember the former Russian president Putin has offered our old bases in Central Asia to be used by the US army for their action against Afghan terrorists. If some territory can be used to prepare an attack on you, you have to suppress all the military targets there. That's a primary rule of any military operation.

We're so far apart on this issue it's probably not worth continuing the conversation. When was the last time long term peace was achieved via incursions and bombers? Isn't long term peace the goal of peacekeeping?

I understand the desire to obliterate any target that could POSSIBLY be used to launch a response - it makes perfect military sense. My point is it does nothing to archive the long term goal of peace.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. There is a freedom of speech on GFY, right? You have yours, the military science has its own. The army isn't trained to act different in these situations. I was learning it (the military science) as an officer of Russian army transferred to the reserve, so I know what I'm talking about. :2 cents:

Is it really your contention that the Russian army isn't trained in anything other than offensive warfare? That makes a pretty good case against any future Russian peacekeeping missions, doesn't it?

Another joke you missed. It was a Seinfeld quote. From the "Soup nazi" episode.

Where did I say anything like that? Do you even read me replies before responding?

those where Greeks

it's all greek to me

You are confused about what a peace-keeping military operation is: Americans in Afghanistan is not a peace-keeping military operation, it is a military operation.

At this point in time I have to ask the following; AVN, Klixxx, CNN, Associated Press, Al Jezera (spelling), Xbiz, NY Times? What is it?

Keep your running commentary and let people make their own decisions. Because as far as anyone that has a brain is concerned your jaded opinion is wasting minutes of my time while trying to find a realistic discussion of the matter.

On a side note, who are you?

damn guys , please choose Obama
i really hope that he can stop all this shit

Yes, I'm called the USA military operation in Afghanistan as a peace keeping because personally to me it was very similar to what Russia does in Georgia. Of course it's not the same and there are difference (the US peace keepers were not killed, only civilians have died on 9/11). However it's a most closest example.

I was referring to this:

And actually I haven't noticed your straight answer to my question was it bad to arrest Kasparov that time. If you answered to it somewhere - just point to it and I'll read.

See sig :winkwink:

Depends what do you mean by "is it bad"? Are you asking me whether i think Kasparov violated Russian laws? Are you asking me whether I think the Russian laws in particular are good for a society to have? Are you asking me whether I think his arrest was consistent with the laws he was said to have broken when arrested? Ask a specific question. I'll be happy to answer.

Not just Russian laws. I believe he has violated laws of any sane country which does not tolerate Nazi demonstration. Do you think different?

ADL Colin, I believe it was a specific enough question. Simple tell me do you think that Kasparov has violated not the Russian laws only, but laws of any country which considers Nazi parties and symbolic illegal?

Also do you think it was right to stop that demonstration and arrest him for a few hours? Not only in Russia but in any other country like Germany for example.

Thank you.

I think you meant to say "not only in Russia, but in any other poorly developed, backwards country with major restrictions on freedom of speech AND Germany".

Complicated. In the United States the Bill of Rights states that people have the right to peacefully assemble. International Human Rights Laws also guarantee this right. It is complicated though. The KKK has legally demonstrated many times in the US. As long as it has been "peaceful". But then look back at the Red Scare/Red baiting that went on in the 40s and 50s in the US.

I don't know whether Russia is a signatory on these Human Rights Laws or what their interpretation of them is. Every country and culture is different.

No, you told this, but not me. I've already showed that you are totally clueless person. So please don't try to correct me with your silly comments. Go back to a nearest village school and into my personal ignore list kid. Thank you! :)

Limonov's guys never been peaceful. Peace just isn't their religion :)

Are you asking me whether Kasparov's "d4" was a threat to the state?

Nope, please re-read my question. I have underscored that he was on Nazi demonstration among the guys with forbidden symbolic which is illegal. Russia has suffered a lot during WWII so these Nazi demonstrations are forbidden here.

So do you think it was right to stop that demonstration and arrest him for a few hours? Do you consider that particular incident as a violation of freedom of speech in Russia?

wow I have been busy - I havent heard about this..... have to turn on the news..... LOL

Next time, when trying to submit some western-ukrainian poll results with the words "here's what Ukrainian people think" suck my fat dick first...who knows, maybe this will switch your lil brains on...

December 2007, as I recall :)

I think Putin shoulda just shook Kasparov's hand.

http://linkification.com/linked/handshake.jpg

Have no straight answer? Ok.

There are no straight answers. It is not black and white. Not in Russia. Not in Germany. Not anywhere. There are countless such debates in every country every year. There are debates and court cases addressing civil and human rights in the US all the time. No clear cut answers. Different judges in different districts at differing levels of government all have different interpretations of the same laws and set of events.

Like I said at the beginning I think it was a rather insignificant event.

youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

12 Year Old Girl Tells the Truth on Fox News about Georgia. Fox News even had to cut them off right in the middle of the account of Georgian aggression even though they had just come from a commercial break 2 minutes prior to that. Fucking Fox News and corporate media do not want the truth out.

It's all about oil and pipe lines. Don't believe the hype.

i love the Russian commentary on media bias.. considering you come from a country where the average journalist is no better than a cheap whore and the media is never to believed, ever, about anything.

one of the weirdest things about Russians is that everyone knows everything in the news is bullshit... yet people so quickly stand behind it if they happen to agree with it.

Georgia is retarded.

They just fucked up all their chances of getting into NATO by attempting to take back the region with military control. no way we'll want them in if they're a liability to begin conflicts of dubious nature. it's obvious they just thought they could swoop in, take control, and then call on us to back them up if russia responded (which we told them they would).

Also, the US won't send in troops no matter what. they'll fight it diplomatically. worst case, russia takes over all of goergia (unlikely). we dive into another cold war. we'll fight any third world country, but russia's military is the only one of very few in the world capable of inflicting serious damage on the US. They know we would ultimately dismantle their military, so they don't want to resort to war with us. They'll pick on little georgia, but they're not stupid enough to repeat pearl harbor.

I'd say just not because we are not stupid enough, but also because we (Russians) have never wanted to invade the USA. In a same way as we don't want to invade Georgia or Ukraine. Believe me, if Russia wanted to invade Georgia, it will be invaded already. We all know what Georgian "army" is - a motley and well-equipped bunch of runners. Personally I don't know why Georgia hasn't sent some of its soldiers to the Olympic Games...

BTW, Georgian "army" has dropped a HUGE arsenal in Gori when they were running away from the barracks. Hmm, ok thanks for about 100 tanks they left for us :)

There are no oil pipelines in South Ossetia and Abkhazia :2 cents:

Russian soldiers? Why not Chinese, or Zimbabwe ones? Look the their uniform dude :1orglaugh

As about the story: "they came, they kill etc..." there are too much of this BS in western media. Too much words and no proof. Your news works like a Gerbils propaganda machine.

Still don't believe? Watch this:



Failed!

Now about the truth. These are not just stupid words, these are photos from Tshinvali:

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9323/img9558xb1.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/4946/img9562ll3.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5272/img9580vb9.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8621/img9584lr9.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8956/img9617bs2.jpg

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9215/img9596lo5.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/629/img9597bn2.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/2337/img9619jj7.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/5854/img9676ow1.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/5497/img9709vr1.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/5686/img9601ps8.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7605/img9602eq5.jpg

BTW, why haven't you start talking about Chechen independence? Wanna see where Chechen battalion "Vostok" was during this small war?

The were kickin' Saakaskhili's ass together with Ossetians and Russians. Watch:

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/643/img9611bf2.jpg

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6274/img9616wa1.jpg

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7758/img9623om9.jpg

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/3519/img9662ns7.jpg

Wanna say something stupid again?

BTW, when Georgian army got an information that Chechen "Vostok" equipped with "shmels" launchers is moving into Tshinvali, their tanks turned back immediately. Because even stupid Saakashvili knows it well: Chechens are not Russians there will be no mercy for Georgian soldiers...

Settle down dude, I doubt they read this board. You're safe.

You are they? Aliens? Chupacabras? Your have to visit your doctor ASAP dude, because your paranoia level is very disturbing - I'm not joking. :2 cents:

I had taylor ham, egg and cheese this morning.

So, Georgia attacks Russia....Russia defends...

Hmmmm...USA backs Georgia....USA in election year...

McCain is friend with Georgian president.

hmm....perceptual war is a great money maker...VOTE REPUBLICAN

And the US fleet is moving to Iran right now...

not very many journalists "end up dead" in Russia.

Journalists and the media in Russia is a funny monster. You can't blame every beat up or killed reporter on "the government". Journalists in Russia are whores. Russia is a violent place. Journalists end up being tools in plenty of disputes where they are paid to publish stories about people, companies etc. by those who want to discredit them, win a contract or whatever. Journalists usually get beat up and shot for being exactly what they are... not because they are idealists seeking only to report the truth.

and i am saying this as someone who has made the national news in Russia more than once with absolutely nothing said about me or my business being true on any level.

so.... a person got grazed by a bullet in a war zone?

must be a pretty shitty sniper