RUSSIANS are NOT ONLY invading Georgia but are also Invading my severs and sucking up my Bandwidth!!! FUCK DAM IT!!!:mad:

Can't find your drugs today or what? :helpme

What the fuck are you talking about? Socialism, communist.. Dude, you’re clueless….

its too pity civilians are getting killes. Me myself been in those mentioned cities several times before. Its hard to believe its now ruined. May be Georgians should have let em go long ago and be wiser to avoid killing people?

Would be cool to see logic in it, to understand why it coudnt be solved no war way.

In two words, Saakashvili and Condoleezza have set up ALL THE GEORGIAN PEOPLE.

Are you fucking nuts or what? Lets see what happens to Indonesia if they decide to attack East Timor. Let Serbs re-claim Kosovo. “Formal right to attack”.. Lets wipe entire city of the map and call it “formal right”.. You’re one disturbed individual..

I believe he is talking about this:

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/apr/01/georgia.oil

Maybe they should have left it the way it was for 17 years. There was NO reason to do what they did. NONE.

What would you call Russia's current status as government right now?

I would say they qualify as a Socialist state at this point.
Gorbechev removed alot of it that with a Semi Revolution witha push to Democracy. Russia collapsed after that not knowing what to do as it's society was used to being told where to work and for how much. They didnt understand Capitalism and still do not. However Putin has moved many many things back under State Authority.

People in Russia have state jobs now and a recovering labor force.

SO what is Russia?

I begin to feel that I heard that today from my ex-russian US based buddy already. And heard this exact question how different they are from Kosovo...

They are not different. Thats why I tried to face a case if say Sahalin wanted to join Japan, why not? And we're not hearing a lawsuits here and let the court taking in view what happened before in other countries, becasue in this case I say Return America To Indians Now.

So cold facts are. There is Georgia, and Ossetia ahs an autonomy in it. Going into full autunomy its a separatism.

Its market economy. Not as extreme as in the US, but it is market economy. Nobody guarantees you permanent job. That would be keritsu system in japan. Sweden is socialist.. Norway as well. Government owns oil companies and natural resources. Whats your point?

Stakan perepolnilsa, hui znaet. THey jsut thought that day its enough. Ossetians living in autonomy was ok, but FULL autonomy its kinda too much.

So far what I have gathered is this.

1: Ossetia is a region that belonged to Georgia.
2: Ossetia people did not like Georgian government, wanted Independence. Majority Ossetians applied for Russian citizenship/passport. Russia granted it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26116598
3: Georgia says holy shit this is not cool and tried to deal with it diplomatically as they had no other real choice for several years.
4: When Georgian Army got some training from the U.S. (reminds me of Afghanistan.. maybe another Osama about to be born?), they got over-confident and decided to reclaim Ossetia.
5: Georgia says fuck you and tries to level the place and begins to exterminate the separatists who happen to be Russian citizens.
6: Russia moves in with Air strikes and Tank incursion within Georgian borders saying Georgian's have started this war by killing Civilians and Russian citizens in its attempt to remove the Separatists which happens to be the people of that whole region.
7: Russians want a Georgian "Regime change" but unwilling to call it "Regime Change" so they don't sound too much like current U.S. admin.

That appears to be the basic on what I have read in the BBC, CNN, and
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26093313/?from=ET

I am gonna have to side with Russia. Russia has every right as U.S. to defend its national security and to go in and liberate Georgia with but one difference it's not quite pre-emptive.. Georgia already attacked.. now seeing backlash.

If the government owns Land Resources and Natural resources and maintains the labor forces to utilise them then technically the Government is a Socialistic one.

The Market system of a state is always separate in most forms of government if not ALL while the Free Market system depends solely on the Government's system of Finance and export policies for trade. As far as I know Russian Government system controls Import/Export Trade organizations.

Who owns the banks in Russia? I know it is not the Jews.

What full autonomy? What the hell are you talking about? For 17 years Ossetia had autonomy status and co-existed with Georgia. Not friendliest relationship, but they didn’t bomb each other. 3 days ago Georgia decides to bomb the shit out of them (after 17 years!!!!) and you say it normal. Wgo had brain fart on that day? I don’t see Sakhalin as autonomy like Chechnya.. I don’t see polls that say 99% of Sakhalin inhabitants want that status. What did I miss. Maybe in Ukraine you guys have some sort of IQ Viagra to find similarities between Ossetia and Sakhalin.

There are plenty of privately owned banks in Russia. Whats your next question .

I'd say that almost all banks in Russia are private. Fellow AlienQ just have no idea what's happening here.

U didnt hear them wanting to join Russia and trying to declare FULL AUTONOMY?
It means separate themselves from Georgia as a whole. That is the reason I believe.
Oni hotiat otdelicca ot Grusii polnostiu, stat nezavisimym gosudarstvom.

I guess you also didnt understand that giving you a virtual example with Sahalin I'm telling you that Ossetia is doing the same in Georgia, they do want to be seaprate country, not jsut an autonomy in Georgia.

What can I not read? The arguing of who is correct or wrong over 50 different points on what's going on and the other half not being in English?

What seems more logical, is I don't care enough to pay attention to what I'm reading, simply because it's about Russia and Georgia and would rather read a summery from someone else that might actually care saving me time and energy.

Not worth commenting on. Appearently you do not know what a National Forest is and what it means.

I found this in some of my information gathering.

"The Russian conundrum consists, first, of a growing economy with a gross domestic product that has increased by 50 percent since 1998, a solid and reliable financial system, companies listed on the London and New York stock exchanges, thirty-three billionaires on the Forbes List in 2006, and a responsible monetary and fiscal policy that has produced a fiscal surplus since 2000. Then there are the dramatic social indicators: the suicide rate has increased by about 50 percent since the nineties; alcohol and drug consumption have soared; the AIDS epidemic is the worst in Europe; there are 120,000 new cases of tuberculosis every year; and access to hospitals under the corrupt and inadequate health system depends on bribing doctors and nurses. The political indicators are no less dismaying. The system is increasingly authoritarian: all the television channels are under direct or indirect government control; the nonaligned daily and weekly newspapers can be counted on the fingers of one hand and, in any case, have an extremely limited circulation; the president has abolished the elections for regional governors; a few politicians close to Putin have recently suggested the abolition of mayoral elections as well; and pro-government parties, which win with majorities of 70 percent, control sixty-three of the eighty-eight regional parliaments. Trade union activity is almost nonexistent because, as the American journalist David Satter has made clear, trade unionists are intimidated, beaten up, and even eliminated. The climate of fear extends to the ethnic minorities that live in the country: the most recent victims have been the Georgians, who are guilty of having been born in a country that does not accept Russian political interference. During his recent anti-Georgian campaign, President Putin added a new expression to his vocabulary: korennoi narod (?the rooted population?), obviously a reference to the Russians. He insists that the interests of this latter group must be protected against ill-defined dangers. In the meantime, the police arrest and beat up the local ?blacks? (non-Russians from the South)."

Published well before these current events of Russian Invasion of Georgia.

http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/?article=768

If ya ask me it sounding more and more Socialistic to me by far it just has not been written in Ink yet:1orglaugh

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The modern-day South Ossetia was annexed by Russia in 1801. Later with many turmoils it became part of Soviet Union where it proclaimed part of Georgia (although ,originally it was not part of it).This was political decision.

Russians here on forum, is this true?

Uhmm hold on a sec. Georgia did not attack first.
Ossetians fired Artillery into Georgia and kicked off Georgia's reaction to eliminate the separatists. Ossetians went Gorilla/insurgent tactics with the separatist movement and inflicted damage on Georgian territory from it's so called Autonomous region FIRST.

It's true that Georgian Military was very near the area well before hand, but the first shot came out of Ossetia with Artillary.

So lets get the facts straight on how this is going as it unfolds OK?
Thanks.

Uh oh looks like Russia is not going to stop. The Russians have sunk a Georgian boat carrying missile launchers in the Black Sea and there is heavy bombing in Gori. The bbc news have just said they are now entering Georgia territory. They are not acknowledging the ceasfire by the Georgians and have basicly told the USA and UN to get stuffed. Now the USA is saying Russia is mounting a campaigne of terror but Russia replied with " The USA did the same with Iraq" ...bad times ahead by the looks of it or back to the cold war between the USA/Western Europe and Russia. Wonder how long or far this conflict will go.

They’ve been saying it for 17 years NOW.. 17 .. 17.. 17... All of a sudden it made the headline news and Georgians launch assault. Which part of “17 years” you cant grasp?

Many things can be seen different if we roll back in time. Back in time America was invaded and people were killed. Current days there is Georgia and it has Ossetia as its autonomy and Ossetia wanted to be separate country....

Facts are:
November 1989 - South Ossetia declares its autonomy from the Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic, triggering three months of fighting.

December 1990 - Georgia and South Ossetia begin a new armed conflict which lasts until 1992.

June 1992 - Russian, Georgian and South Ossetian leaders meet in Sochi, sign an armistice and agree the creation of a tripartite peacekeeping force of 500 soldiers from each entity.

November 1993 - South Ossetia drafts its own constitution.

November 1996 - South Ossetia elects its first president.

December 2000 - Russia and Georgia sign an intergovernment agreement to re-establish the economy in the conflict zone.

December 2001 - South Ossetia elects Eduard Kokoity as president, in 2002 he asks Moscow to recognise the republic's independence and absorb it into Russia.

January 2005 - Russia gives guarded approval to Georgia's plan to grant broad autonomy to South Ossetia in exchange for dropping its bid for independence.

November 2006 - South Ossetia overwhelmingly endorses its split with Tbilisi in a referendum. Georgia's prime minister says this is part of a Russian campaign to stoke a war.

April 2007 - Georgia's parliament approves a law to create a temporary administration in South Ossetia, raising tension with Russia.

June 2007 - South Ossetian separatists say Georgia attacked Tskhinvali with mortar and sniper fire. Tbilisi denies this.

October 2007 - Talks hosted by the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe between Georgia and South Ossetia break down.

March 2008 - South Ossetia asks the world to recognise its independence from Georgia, following the West's support for Kosovo's secession from Serbia.

March 2008 - Georgia's bid to join NATO, though unsuccessful, prompts Russia's parliament to urge the Kremlin to recognise the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

April 2008 - South Ossetia rejects a Georgian power-sharing deal, insists on full independence.

August 2008 - Fighting breaks out between Georgian and separatist South Ossetian forces. Georgia says its forces have "freed" the greater part of the Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.

Watch CNN and don't bother to post here.

Don't need drugs to state facts...... I forgot some facts hurt ....... (talking about the bandwidth leeching!)

December 2001 - South Ossetia elects Eduard Kokoity as president, in 2002 he asks Moscow to recognise the republic's independence and absorb it into Russia.

I guess it made a new fire spiral since that move. And as AlienQ noticed there was a artillery shooting Georgian territories first, so it jsut blew up all of a sudden, as u jsut said.

I don't have CNN and GFY is a better/faster news source.

crazy ruskis

Correct. Until Georgia pull back their army.

Yes and yes.

Formally Ossetia is Georgian territory and Russian already was there since 1994 according to the international mandate.

Till Georgian army is still on South Ossetian territory.

I wonder too.

I have yet to read a single intelligent post from you.
Yes it was total coincidence that Georgians had entire arsenal parked on the boarder and it was complete coincidence they were all loaded and ready to advance in to Ossetia.

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So when Serbian forces were fighting muslim terroritsts in Kosovo, Americans bombed them and if Georginas kill 1400 people in direct bombing of city during FIRST NIGHT, that's ok and they are blaming Russians to help citizens with russian passports?:error

Who is crazy here?
Those are fucking double standards. Russian government told when it was time, don't do shit with Kosovo,it will be domino effect,and will spread all over the world. No one didn't want to listen. Then, they should keep their mouth closed and beg that as less as possible people die there.

Actually it did. Seems have are completely lost in time :2 cents:

Dude, who gives a fuck about your bandwidth here? Seriously.

Yes, all of a sudden. The maps were drawn out, artillery ready to go.. All of a sudden, just like in those play station games you like so much..

Think Georgia is in for one hell of a battering and I dont think western Europe or the USA are. or dont want to get involved with fighting the Russians ( who ever said the Russians did not have the military might or money to fight anymore were kinda wrong)

If you are trying to say there is a reading between lines then I think both sides wanted a formal sign to do it.

Believe me, Russia has a similar nuclear power as the USA. Actually the USA has more warheads, but Russian warheads have a bigger power (we have more strategic nuclear WMD's but less tactical ones). I.e. there is an absolute parity.

If the open USA vs Russia war will start - the Earth will be destroyed. Sad but true.

Best post in this thread so far......... so much crap being said left and right... this makes it a bit more clear ..... thanks m8 :thumbsup

Dude grow some skin ... SERIOUSLY ....