so many of you feel the need to tell me how to take care of my pet.


if i were a pschologist i'd say it's all y'all trying to rationalize your guilt for doing the proc to your own animal.

but i am not so i won't.
nutty rly.

see i don't know abut that....i guess each dog is different. My lab has his balls and he doesn't run out at all, last month i even forgot him outside the garage and i found him after one hour sleeping in front of my House door....

Obviously when you put in front of him a female in heat he can't resist and that's why we spayed the female we had.

We were planing to make some puppies but she won't be able to.


Let's bring this conversation back to the status quo: how much we love our biddies!

Very nice :thumbsup

great idea!

here's a pic of my little guy enjoying the sunset-

http://www.dvdhotties.com/images/beach3.jpg

No but really, I wouldn't insinuate that you're a bad pet owner at all for not neutering. I'm sure you love your dog to death. Not that you give a shit what I think, as you try to make it so clear. Just saying you could be opening yourself up to things that might not need to deal with, by not doing the procedure. I doubt in any way that I could convince you to do something -- and I'm not trying to do that. Just shouldn't ignore and instantly devalue the opinions of folks (with little laughy icons) who might happen to know a lot about the subject, and have done plenty of research on it.

You claim that everyone are sheep, and there's some big marketing conspiracy, but you sound like the uneducated one.

i put *laughy icons* in my post because i AM laughing- dog elitists crack me up.


it's sad you need to continue with your comments, including commenting on my education and assuming i have not done my research.

i've moved on from what you are trying to rehash. you should too.

live and let live. my original post was simply my view on raising my dog, nowhere did i say YOU need to think like I do
yet you feel so strongly the need to get me on board with your way of thinking.

i suggest you ask yourself why that is.

Then you're an idiot.

more peeps needing me to see things the same as themselves, and having the need for names.

too bad.

Awww this made me tear up a bit! Another good one is to keep dog's on a leash! I have seen to many dogs fights due to a dog not being controlled by a leash!

No vet would EVER tell you that it's a money issue. Especially not one who actually is under contract with the local shelter and sees the problem first-hand on a daily basis.

Any pet owner who doesn't spay or neuter his or her pet IS irresponsible, incompetent and unfit to care for an animal. If that dog escapes just once he will add to the already overwhelming overpopulation problem. If you really are a volunteer with the shelter (not a no-kill shelter) ask for stats on how many animals are euthanized every week just because nobody wants them. Want to guess how many of those euthanized animals were born because some shithead didn't want to spay or neuter their animal?

Here are some numbers from a few cities
http://www.spayusa.org/main_director...eys/graphs.asp

and some other assorted facts
http://www.shelterreform.org/SpayFact.html

Then there are the health benefits. Sure, there are risks too but the benefits far outweigh the risks.

Great post I love my dog

That was nice, I have gotten all my pets fixed as I do feel it's the right thing to do.



:):):):):)

Well i guess they were lying to me...what can i say?


As a FYI The ball cutting thing is predominantly a US practice, as far as know the majority of the developed countries in the world don't do it.

Which it makes me think a lot...

anyway i said it before let's post about our buddies and not personal Balls management practices .

Pretty much what I figure. This is a definite fact:
Neutering decreases and quite often eliminates the diseases that intact male dogs are often prone to later on such as prostate, testicle and other tissues and organs that are influenced by the male hormones. ESPECIALLY if they are never bred.

BULLLSHIIIIIT... Apparently you are very uneducated on the subject, because I have never heard this sentiment. I'm in Canada, and it's an even bigger call here to spay and neuter animals because our shelters are SHAMEFULLY overwhelmed too. Why? Because people aren't responsible enough, or are too cheap, to get their damn animals fixed.

A female dog can have puppies a few times a year, a male can mate anytime, with any female, anywhere. And if they can, THEY WILL.

You work at the humane society and you don't think it's a good idea to spay or neuter?:uhoh:uhoh

fyi, for the elitists.

it's clearly not a cut&dry issue.

yet, the name calling and *uneducated* comments are from that side.

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Twenty years and more ago, pet sterilization was hailed as the only way to keep unwanted litters from clogging shelters and ultimately dying there to make room for even more unwanted litters. In the past decade the tide has turned: shelters have instituted their own sterilization policies and animal welfare advocates have conducted highly successful campaigns to decrease the number of unplanned and unwanted litters.

As a result of rescue and shelter sterilization policies, education about the practical aspects of the surgery, and an aggressive campaign by responsible breeders, veterinarians, and welfare groups, about 75 percent of dogs have been spayed or castrated and canine populations in shelters have dropped.

However, this decrease is not enough for radical groups.

research indicates that the health benefits of sterilization may be offset by the drawbacks and that owners should be aware of potential problems that can occur as a direct result of the surgery.

Neutering a dog reduces production of testosterone but does not eliminate this hormone. Thus a neutered dog, especially if he has a dominant character, may also retain his desire to roam and an assertive or even aggressive personality. Owners who depend on neutering to resolve behavior problems run a high risk of being disappointed unless they also train the pet to have good manners at home and in public.

Any surgery has drawbacks. Dogs can react badly to anesthesia in spite of precautions or can experience complications during recovery. Some dogs react negatively to the suture material used, and incisions do not heal properly.

Concurrent with the increase in laws and regulations regarding pet sterilization, research since 1990 has shown that spay and neuter surgeries may have specific drawbacks as well as benefits. Dogs neutered before puberty tend to have longer legs, flatter chests, and narrower skulls that intact dogs of their breeds because the hormones that regulate sexual activity also interact with hormones that guide growth of muscles, bones, and tendons. These physical differences can place more stress on joints and can cause problems for active dogs, especially those in training for agility and those that work in physically stressful jobs.

Additional drawbacks specific to spay surgery include increased incidence of bladder incontinence, triple the frequency of thyroid disease, and higher risk of some cancers, joint problems, and obesity and adverse reactions to vaccinations.

POINTS AGAINST STERILIZATION

1. Dogs may gain weight after being altered.

It is true that some animals may tend to gain weight after they are sterilized (Fettman 1997, Root 1995). The removal of the sex hormones may tend to slow an animal's metabolism somewhat (Flynn 1996), although some studies have found no differences in weight between intact and sterilized animals (Salmeri 1991a).

However, many dogs are altered just as they are reaching maturity. At this time in their lives, even dogs who are NOT altered will be gaining weight and slowing down a bit, so any change you see in your pet may not have anything to do with being sterilized. If you DO notice a weight gain after your dog is altered, simply decrease the amount of food you are feeding and increase the exercise your dog gets every day.

2. Altered dogs may be taller than intact dogs.

It is true that dogs who are sterilized before they have reached full maturity may be slightly taller than they would be if they had been left intact. Sex hormones influence the end of bone growth after puberty. Since the sex hormones never arrive in dogs which are altered before maturity, the bones tend to continue growing for longer than they would in the intact dog. However, this difference is very slight overall -- and the dogs being altered are NOT show dogs, so a little extra height is of little significance. Also, there does not appear to be any difference in size between puppies sterilized very early (6-10 weeks) and those altered later (7 months) (Crenshaw 1995, Lieberman 1987).

3. Sterilized dogs may become incontinent.

Some altered dogs may develop a problem with controlling their urine output. This is especially likely in females, but may also happen in males (Aaron 1996, Arnold 1997a). It is thought that this problem arises because the loss of sex hormones affects the strength of the urinary sphincter muscle (Gregory 1994). One researcher has claimed that incontinence may occur in as many as 20% of all spayed dogs (Arnold 1997a), but other vets believe this rate is much lower (Thrusfield 1993).

Fortunately, the problem may be as minor as a few drops here and there, and it is usually easy to control with inexpensive drugs such as phenylpropanolamine (Arnold 1997b, Heughebaert 1988). Sometimes estrogen replacement may be necessary. Incontinence problems may last for the rest of the dog's life. However, incontinence may also disappear after a few months or a few years (Heughebaert 1988, Arnold 1989). Also, keep in mind that older dogs will sometimes develop incontinence even if they are left intact, so incontinence is not always related to sterilization.

4. Sterilized dogs are more likely to have problems with hypothyroidism.

A few dogs, especially bitches, may be more likely to have problems with decreased thyroid function after they are altered (Panciera 1994). Fortunately, thyroid problems are easy to treat with inexpensive thyroid supplements. Also, some intact dogs will also experience hypothyroidism, so most cases of hypothyroidism are not actually due to being sterilized.

5. Bitches who are aggressive before being spayed may become more aggressive after being spayed.

This appears to be a valid concern for owners of aggressive bitches (O'Farrell 1990). However, it's an easy problem to avoid. If you have an intact bitch who is already aggressive, think seriously about letting her remain intact. If your intact bitch is NOT aggressive, spaying her is not likely to MAKE her aggressive.

6. Sterilization, especially spaying, is an invasive surgical procedure.

There are risks involved with any surgery, both from the surgery itself and from the anesthetic agent. However, the rate of complications is very low, and serious complications are especially rare. Especially with newer anesthetic agents like isofluorane and newer suture materials, there are rarely any serious problems. Significant complications of sterilization surgeries occur in roughly only 1-4% of surgeries (Pollari 1995, 1996). Also, the surgical procedure actually appears to be *safer* when performed in younger puppies, with less serious complications occurring overall in young puppies than in puppies altered at later ages (Fagella 1994).

7. Sterilization is expensive.

Surgical costs may be as low as $25 or as high as $300, depending on the size and age of the dog, whether the dog is male or female, and the area of the country in which you live. There are low cost spay/neuter clinics in many areas these days for people who can't otherwise afford the procedures. And in some areas you will actually SAVE money by sterilizing your dog, if licensing fees are lower for altered pets.

8. The size of the external genitals may be smaller in dogs who are sterilized before puberty.

The penis of the male and the vagina of the female may be somewhat smaller in dogs who have been altered before puberty (Salmeri 1991a, 1991b). However, it is usually of little functional consequence to the dog. In a breed which is predisposed to urinary tract blockage, such as male dalmatians, this may be a problem; but in most breeds this is not likely to cause any medical complications. Very occasionally, bitches who were altered at very young ages may develop some skin irritation in the vulvar region (Jagoe 1988), but this also is not a common occurrence.

sweeeet! I'll have that framed! :winkwink:

Dis it say Bitches?

is it a no-no word?


:rasta

It is most certainly a "cut & dry" issue. It's an unequivocal fact that if you do not spay or neuter your animal, they WILL find a way to breed. The health benefits of sterilization outweigh any risk. The only possible reason for not getting your pet spayed or neutered is lack of funds. If you need help, let me know where you are and I will get you a free or greatly discounted neuter for your dog.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so you know for a fact that there's never been one single dog on this planet that never ever bred in his life if he had his testicles all his life.

:upsidedow


again my position on pet snobs is confirmed.

As is my position on incompetent pet owners who refuse to provide the most basic care for their animals for whatever reason. I'll bet your dog isn't current on his shots either, is he? Parvo and rabies both? Didn't think so.

There is absolutely NO good reason not to spay or neuter. None.
http://www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/my...neutering.html

yah, this little guy's got a tough life eh.

http://www.dvdhotties.com/images/beach4.jpg

http://www.dvdhotties.com/images/beach2.jpg


i guess i do too, not being able to get my free neutering down at the wherever they do that when ya get the rabies shots.

lofl :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Cute little dog. It's a shame his owner is a fucking dolt.

great list.

I had to pay almost $1100 each to get my dogs spayed, and it was because they both had THREE ovaries instead of two. My vet told me that if I had left them unspayed, they would have gone crazy with the hormones (and they did, I could hardly walk them, they were both in CONTINUAL heat), and if I hadn't let them breed they could easily have developed major problems. I was happy to do so... My parents family didn't get the family dog spayed when they should have... she never had a litter. She eventually died due to complications from a severely infected uterus, because she had never bred, she didn't go out of heat properly and died throwing up and in horrible agony. That was enough to convince me that no cost should be spared when it comes to handling animals properly. Hell, horse owners have known this for a long time, and horses are gelded ALL THE TIME. They have the same chances for "complication with sterilization" as any animal, yet it's still a common practice that has prevented many animals from becoming agressive and causing major issues. Why people are so stubborn about dogs I have no idea, but I suppose if they choose not to neuter, they are ready to deal with the consequences. Though I would hope they would then be willing to live in an area with no dogs, perhaps pay to have the females in the area spayed, or just give homes to all the puppies their dogs will father if they escape. Ridiculousness.

There's LOTS of male dogs who people choose not to fix, and they tend to regret it in the animal's later years. One of the ladies at the dog park recently had to put her beloved male lab to sleep because she had not had him fixed, he NEVER bred, and he developed testicular cancer, anal polyps, all kinds of terrible complications. She told me that if she could do it all again, she would make the smart choice, because if she had when it counted, she'd still have her dog. It's LESS natural for a dog to remain intact and NOT to breed than it is to sterilize an animal that WILL NEVER breed.

he had it especially rough as a puppy.


http://www.alsscan.dvdsuperstar.com/images/chaco1.jpg


http://www.alsscan.dvdsuperstar.com/images/chaco2.jpg

it wasn't always good times for my little Chaco!

here he is after getting orthopedic surgery on his leg, the surgeon put a pin in his knee after he broke it.

obviously, since i am so destitute and unable to provide Chaco! with even the most basic of care(your observation) the surgery was performed free of charges by a good samaratan vet.



http://www.alsscan.dvdsuperstar.com/images/chaco3.jpg

Well I hope that if Chico develops more issues because he's not fixed you will do the same thing, and hopefully rethink your position on sterilization for future pets. Remember, there IS NO SUCH THING as abstainance in nature. It's bordering on cruel to have an animal that has perfectly normal instinctual urges that are not allowed to be consummated or satisfied. Not only can it cause possibly physical damage, it can cause behavioral issues as well. In nature, if an animal CAN breed, it WILL breed, they don't choose NOT to breed, and disallowing them to breed while they have full capacity is definitely not fair, or natural.

rehab was tough too for Chaco!

after the doc took him off his pain pills, and i wasn't always there, he found the bottle to ease his pain and loneliness


http://www.alsscan.dvdsuperstar.com/images/chaco4.jpg

so i got him off the bottle and to rehab his leg, he took up the mma.

he's not gracie level but he's got the hong kong fuuieeeeeeee!

more pet snob blah blah.

fact is, i've provided another side to the argument which all the dog snobs FAIL to acknowledge.

and it's Chaco!

not Chico.

thank fuck for a bit of sense in this thread :thumbsup

dog snobs?

You may not your pet out of your sight/house but a great many people do.If domestic pets aren't spayed the result is a huge amount of unwanted domestic animals. Lets not forget hundreds of thousands of dogs and cats are killed needlessly every year.

love it:-)

my eyes are almost in tears