I do think, I don't know when, some years ago it was a great system to have, maybe perfect, I don't know.

All I know, is the last election and this primaries, and now all the local bs going on at least here in Tucson. It's like, could we please just have a equal vote, hell a raise of hands at this point may be more fair.

At the same time, 40 of the states don't matter. The candidates don't campaign there and don't need to. Is it really best to have a system where only 10 states (actually more like 3 when all is said and done) decide the election? A vote in Ohio is worth infinitely more than a vote in Illinois.

some people honestly want to, but cant because of work.

i however dont think my vote counts towards influencing the electoral college :winkwink:

Because us Non-Voters are intelligent enough to understand how the Electoral College Vote works, and that 51% of people telling the other 49% what they can and cannot do is nothing even remotely near Freedom.

Really? How many people do you think work 13 hours a day for a company that does not give time off to vote?"

There is also this thing called absentee votes. You mail in your vote

Even if there was no electoral college you would still end up with close elections (ie: 51 vs 49)

What would you have them do? Re-vote until a 2/3's majority?

No, but, I don't think I (or anyone) should have to move to a state that would vote the way I would in order to make my vote count. And the 51/49 was not in reference to voting, a win is a win, it was in reference to "democracy" in general.

The electoral college was more beneficial when states had more rights and the federal government played less of a role. Now that those roles have reversed, it's just not fair. Everyone should have an equal voice considering the power the federal government has.

Sadly, because the ones who don't vote are too niave and think their vote doesn't count or they don't care.

Without the EC, no one would care about your vote anyway. :2 cents:

a fine? lol If dictatorship is a concern in your country, maybe you should worry more about the government managing your life then about those who simply dont care about their privilege to choose between what they consider to be 2 sides of the same coin or the lesser of 2 evils...

They would care about it as much as the next guy. Each vote is worth the same amount. The electoral college makes a vote in Ohio worth a thousand times more than a vote in Illinois.

I am dying to hear why.

Because Illinois is a strong democratic state. It is going to go to Obama no matter what I vote. Ohio is a swing state. The race will come within a few percentage points thus making each vote more valuable.

Neither candidate will look at my state, but they'll be camped out in Ohio and a few other swing states the entire time.

Exactly! This is an ADDITIONAL unintentional nightmare aspect to the EC.


IN a national presidential election, you would hope that each person in the nation had an equal say in who will be president. Under the EC, sometimes your vote is literally worth 50% of someone elses vote, sometimes your vote is worth 1% of some other person's vote, sometimes, 0%. And that is just examining the first layer of EC BS.


The EC is a COMPLETE JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



For anybody still thinking that there is ANYTHING good about the EC, consider that if you do not vote with the majority in your state, your vote doesn't count. You do realize that in some states, the Democrat/Republican divide is significant enough that if you aren't with the majority (within your state), YOUR VOTE WON'T COUNT AT ALL ANYWAY. So, why vote?

And when I say "your vote won't count" I mean in the EC way of counting (which means, even if your vote is considered to count, it still really doesn't count).

Even if you agree with the State's majority, and the State's popular vote goes for McCain, the Electoral College accepts that AS A SUGGESTION to them. They are not at all obligated to vote as the population voted. This means, they do what they want - and you can't do anything (legally) to stop them.

Sometimes the presidential candidate will win by a very slim margin (within a state) and the state will give ALL of their Electoral votes to the winning candidate. Sometimes a candidate will win by a very slim margin, so the State will divide their electoral votes to be more in-line with the percentages of the popular vote within their state. THESE DECISIONS ARE NOT CONSISTENT BETWEEN STATES so think about that messed up aspect.
Finally, the states electoral college can vote any way they want no matter what the popular vote results are in their state. That means, the state can give ALL of their electoral votes to the Presidential candidate that lost (within that state) by a HUGE margin.

The entire EC process is a HOAX!

The people on this board defending the EC need to WAKE THE FUCK UP! It ain't the 1800's anymore, and I'm not even sure the EC was a good idea back then!


Somebody please post ONE SINGLE POSITIVE ASPECT of the EC. PLEASE!



By the way, I would also like to announce my appointment as the VP candidate on the Republican ticket.

McCain/Sleestak

Riiiight.

Because we are stupid

There are many reasons:

- they do not subscribe to the lesser of two evils doctrine.

- they are racists. Your up coming will be the perfect example; the other side offers some McLaim ass, while their usual party of choice is offering a """back"" man. They hear their many little voices (internal conflicts) telling them they can not vote for either Republican or black.

- That stanky douche bag with a droopy ass, Pissflats Hilton, is not on the card!

I believe I covered all the basis.

Oh, yah. Not everybody finds it important to vote since their side is never represented.

Plenty of people in the US vote. We vote if we want to, we do not have to. It would help if there were actually any decent people to vote for. :2 cents:

Speak for yourself.

When he said, "we," he was just referring to me and him.

sorry about any confusion