You don't make any money.

How mache are you making with this shit?

http://bobbyslist.com/

or this one

http://barelylegalnexus.com/

no anger here

just being honest and pointing out the obvious about people in general

Come on, those look like huge money makers.








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pussyserver applies the lotion to it's skin

oh yeah i make a million a day on those thanks for posting them ... maybe i will make 2 mil now

put its in the basket:1orglaugh

I certainly can see the argument.

I can relate to this part
for any business should in order to keep the business growing
in one business model or another

exactly

the promlem with online adult is hat you have clueless people who got luck after throwing up some links etc profess to be the uber end all be all

they even put these people on panels etc lmao

:)

I love GFY

Bump for Slutty Dollars & Aftershock.

So if we have 15,000+ programs, including processor programs, and out of them just over 100 do shady xsales screwing the member over. That's .6%


Then if a program has 10,000 webmasters and 10% are active that is 1000 active Webmasters, having 1% fraud base would mean 10 people. That's a piss low number. If Webmasters produce about half the sales for the global programs. (since we have no idea)

That would mean Webmasters have a much higher chance of frauding than the average program would. And if traffic/sales is split between programs and webmasters, it would mean Webmasters screw the surfer over more.

yeah... hmmm..

Fraud by anyone is bad:2 cents:

So you make money hand over fist with these? http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/849706-pussyservers-top-money-sites.html not being smart I'm just asking

I dont understand your question??

Please explain??

Thanks :)

lol I clicked your link and all I see is


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I Never .. I mean never read messages of people on my ignore list and since the thread is started by someone on my ignore list I honestly just closed it

please feel free to voice whatever concerns were raised

:2 cents:

And let me tell you a secret, affiliates spend time and money to bring in their traffic. Perhaps some of that isn't as tangible as the cost of a server, but it's still expenses.

Nonetheless, the argument on both sides of the coin are retarded. You don't see American Airlines bitching that the local travel agents aren't paying for the cost of jet fuel. Both sides are profitible business models with pros and cons.

I personally think it's a great time to be an affiliate. Everyone who had a digital camera and wanted some bro status on the boards created their own program. Many with no traffic in their back pocket and little money in the bank. The program market is so oversaturated that companies need to give ridiculous offers to affiliates just to keep them happy. Not to mention that as an affiliate, you can simply swap your sponsor at any time if you have issues with them.

It isn't to say that starting a program is dumb, just that there are a lot of people who have no business starting a program and should have spent their time and money building traffic which will always be profitible.

I'm a cowboy, on a steel horse I ride I'm wanted, dead or alive.

You have good points pocketkangaroo. But I know the man hours I put in as an affiliate over the last 10 years, and compared to the work on a paysite it isn't even close. Not saying anything bad one way or another...just saying that's the way it is. And the affiliate makes the lions share of a sale.

And just like there area only a handful of affiliates who can really send sales...there are only a handful of sites that really can be sold to the surfer.

You match up a thoughtful, hardworking affiliate who owns their own site and sends golden traffic to a paysite that has a great selling niche and is well thought out and interactive with exclusive and unique content...and it's gold.

It's a lot harder to sell some of the mega-sites with their purchased content these days. It's all over the tubes and torrents and doesn't really offer much of an experience in the members area.

It can still be done. But the real money is that handful of affiliates and that handful of paysites. And really, that's the way it's always been. Even when all the "affiliates" that really aren't in my opinion were making what they thought was good money. It was never even close to what real good money is.

But a lot of guys hopped in and discovered that they might could make a grand a week signing up for affiliate programs and basically throwing stuff against a wall to see if it sticks. The tubes and torrents have changed that. It just doesn't work anymore.

That's why the guys with freesites that have been around for years and run clean and develop trust with surfers still make the sales and always will.

Damn, let's quit being all serious and shit...back to the thread topic. We are all losers. There can be only one. And that one is pussyserver baby! A pimp of all pimps and my main man. Don't be haters. pussyserver is the true :pimp

I agree, although I don't think it's so cut and dry. I'd assume that a site like TheBestPorn.com puts in a lot of money into development and content. I'd wager it's more than many programs. The good affiliates you speak of with solid traffic night in and night out are the ones that invested a lot of time and money into their traffic sources.

Nonetheless, I think it's a great time to be an affiliate and would recommend it to anyone. I honestly don't see why so many people jump into the program game when they have no traffic lined up at all. It's sad to see people putting all their money and time into building an affiliate program, then be relegated to begging affiliates on a message board for a few clicks.

I also think the jump from everyong being an affiliate to everyone being a program owner is the reason you don't have a lot of good affiliates out there anymore.

Well I guess since you are all knowing about everything ...

I love my haters, stalkers and the like

Robbie it amazes me that you consistently put yourself in the same category as the broke trolls on GFY.

Why do you follow me around posting irrelevant nonsense? I don’t even know you fella… get a grip man.... no time to be a hater just get better at life

ok?

and also the reason why there are so many shitty programs:2 cents:

You see, you make this type in and search engine traffic argument like most sponsors. Have you ever stopped to think how much less SE and type in traffic you would have without 1000 affiliates giving you backlinks and branding your site name to surfers? Sure you have some TGP's for your own work but all those links HELP YOU MAKE MORE MONEY. All the lost sales from people that came from an affiliate but didn't sign up until a month later because they remembered your site name, you ignore that.

No it's not black and white but both sides in this argument conveniently leave out information to make their side look better. 90% of your type in and se signups are probably related to what an affiliate did at some point in your sites life. :2 cents:

Ken does real well with his review sites, as does Rabbits. The tubes and torrents have affected them as well...some surfers use all of our freesites as "guides" to tell them what to search for on the damn tubes. :(

I'm not so sure that the days of amateur surfers suddenly becoming affiliates and making bank are still here. I honestly think that the guys who have been in this game a long time are the ones who have built up the trust factor with the surfer. I've made my living by that philosophy for 10 years now.

And now to my main man pussyserver. Bro! I'm not a hater anymore! I'm your biggest fan! Now that BlackWidow guy? He seems to have you in his crosshairs. But not me. I now enjoy your posts for exactly what they are. Even when you called me disrespectful names earlier in this thread. I took it with a grain of salt. :) pussyserver: THE MAN! Hell yes!

Great points that apply to 9 out of 10 paysites. If you owned "genericwhoresgettingfucked.com" you definitely have to have those affiliates with the backlinks going. No doubt. Good point.

On the other hand...the really good sites out there who go after a specific niche and/or feature a solo girl who fulfills a niche don't neccessarily follow that blueprint. Always an exception to the rule.

I don't doubt the exceptions. Even you said yourself that you have your own sites driving traffic so this would have less of an impact on you. There are a lot of dirty people in this business in general. There is a lot of turning a blind eye to the crap that goes on because that's just the way it is.

Someone earlier said I need a sponsor to send traffic to. I can tell you I'd much rather be stuck with traffic than a paysite and no affiliates. I could try to sell them cookies if it came down to it. Obviously I would look for something to sell if it meant downloading porn from aol and burning it onto a CD. :1orglaugh

That's the truth EmpireAutoPilot :)

But sometimes you don't even need traffic if your niche is hot and very focused.

Look at tony404 Mandy Blakes' site is very successful. He doesn't even have an affiliate program...though he does invite a handful of people to promote her. He doesn't really need affiliates. He has the product. BBW lovers WILL find what they like. Sometimes I wonder if it's a little like searching on Ebay for something. They seem to find Mandy Blake no matter what.

Same thing with big tits. Claudia-Marie had a thousand members in the first couple of months we opened the doors last year. And she wasn't in the adult business in any way at all until we did that. Not even as a dancer.

The afficiandos of these niches search high and low for what they like. We acheived success right out of the door by me sending a little traffic and then literally word of mouth spreading over big tit forums and chat rooms almost overnight.

Now if you open a paysite with a bunch of content you bought feauturing the porn valley girls getting fucked by the porn valley guys, it's gonna be a lot tougher sale. There can be a niche there but not a specific focused thing.

In that case it better be a great idea and theme and you better have a LOT of really good affiliates sending traffic.

Hey by the way empire...you have some problems on your site. The includes aren't coming up.

For the record I was the very first to offer an affiliate a handjob - surely you recall the famous J3W diss thread.

Hummm.... not much at all, actually statically less than 10%. That's the natural internet shave error, that all paysites have. Then, most paysites have 10% of the total daily traffic base they get, so if that 10% returns, where is the 10% from the natural error? Well, it means Webmasters actually produce more like 5%.


Webmasters kill paysites, when was the last time you saw a paysite, that is affiliate promoted, rocked across Google on 100's or even 1000's of keyword phrases? Without the owner doing any inhouse magic, talking about Webmaster traffic here.


Webmasters help paysites by sending them more traffic, which produces more sales, which makes them more money. No reason to confuse what the job/role of the Webmaster is or the results produced.

:2 cents:

You need good content tat make your affiliates happy

First, a sponsor is starting a program to get webmaster traffic
As soon they have it, they are going to find sticks to beat us webmasters down

Most program owners were webmasters before, and they are owner cause they are sick of being a tool, ones they are a owner, they use tools to make us sick.

A lot of owners are starting a program to make a future. They actually care about the webmasters, but also have a group of spammers, fakers, scammers, shitters... Those people who make his day bad also affect the group of true webmasters.

etc etc etc bla bla bla

Face it, when you start a program, you probably have a group of webmasters in your contact list to start with, those are probably the 5 % of the 100 who make good sales. You go public and know you get also this other shitty 95% in your list, you wished you never went public, cause you have suddenly a high expensive on the scamms and fuckers.

You can TURN THIS ANYWAY you want, there is always a downside and upside. No matter what, you work with people, and people are tricking you, part of nature. There is a small group of webmasters who have MUCH TO LOOSE, they would not even think about using tricks, they put their good name in risk.

I am an affiliate, send to 160 sponsors, and i have no fear, i do not use cards to get some PPS in my pocket cause i need to pay my rent.

There are 100`s of guys like me, working their ass of to make a HONEST living, and those guys are also irritated by the behavior of many sponsors.
We helped them with starting their program, and soon those owners are on shows selling our fucking traffic to other programs cause they want extra cash...

Anyway, i gave up long ago trusting owners, i see them as a tool, a tool for me to make money with, i have the traffic, they DO NOT have my traffic, or get it in anyway.

We need each other, if this is not a fact, then your probably having a different idea of making money.

Reading how owners are making costs etc etc etc etc and I should be happy i dont have to pay for it, cause my earnings minus his costs would kill my revshare... Man thats just BULLSHIT... You can oversell your content as soon you have a fucking good marketing plan and KNOW how to find the best webmasters. Your movies are probably sold for 1000 times already when you have the Creme of the Creme traffic senders in your pocket.

Anyway, i like how pussyserver stands up for affiliates in this topic, props for that. A guy like me never gets noticed, free tickets for a show, or a cristmas card.

I only get holiday cards from VS, Secretfriends, and AFF....

Niqga, please.

:2 cents:


I completely agree


so refreshing to see someone with an honest opinion and not here for the sould purpose of kissing another mans ass

Yes he is so rich he ahs to bitch about $65 on here. Haha.

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup
very funny

This thread is worthless

Tell that to Pussyserver. He thinks he is the God of GFY.

Time to call: I ARE BATMAN!

More like Jesus. He keeps getting banned for the things he did wrong only to return and ask for forgiveness.

pussyserver is a criminal - stealing from toy stores - and a broke nigga who couldnt even land a job at a hotel

:1orglaugh

http://i36.tinypic.com/x68n7.jpg

LOL, I'm not even capable of shaving.

ROFL WTF?

Something tells me bars (aka Xanax) were involved? Jesus Christ...