While I am sympathetic to those who lived there and lost everything or their loved ones, I have to ask, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU EXPECT LIVING BELOW SEA LEVEL with nothing protecting you but an old man made wall???

RULE #1: Nature always wins.

I say... if anyone was dumb enough to go back to live in that same area, this time I don't feel sorry for them.

RULE #2: Measure twice, cut once.

If the government and state is going to spend the money, they had better build that place up so it's above sea level. This is the second time (maybe), so if they need to rebuild they need to flatten the entire city, build it up and start new. Otherwise, history WILL repeat itself. It's not like that was a fluke hurricane that hit them. We have hurricane season every year. It's gonna happen again.

And sure, let tax dollars pay for them to raise the city. NOT to rebuild the city again below sea level. Though tax dollars don't really pay for that anyway, as they only pay the interest on the debt that the country owes, so in theory that means that the USA just has to borrow more money from China. I see no problem with that. We're already paying on the interest anyway, why stop now?

God speed to any of you in New Orleans.

There's only one problem with all that.

Land to live on is in short supply. There will always be people in that area wether it's
rebuilt or not. It can be full of squaters, escaped criminals, illegal immigrants all living
in shanty huts as the place becomes completely lawless or it can be rebuilt and managed.


It's like this for some people :

A. live in that crappy house over there and there MIGHT be a disaster

or

B. Keep living in the street without a house and take your chances being murdered in your sleep.

There are way more murders than floods so I would take my chances with the flood.

wow..arent You the self righteous cunt. You talk of lives and people as if they were just figurines on your TV set.

Agreed. 100%.


New Orleans 'reconstruction' was the biggest land grab next to the Louisiana Purchase.

:2 cents:

Looks like NOLA is going to get the NE quadrant of Gustav and that is the worst part to get. Totally fucked. Buoys the NE quadrant has passed over have recorded 34' waves.

that city should be ruined

I think you are better off hiring Dutch engineers....we all live below sealevel here ;)

I don't think anyone believes we should just abandon it. But there are people who choose to live in safer areas that would prefer not to rebuild a city every few years. No one has to abandon it, just let them start footing the bill for it.

As long as we are foolish enough to rebuild and insure the people that continue to build the homes and business along the misissippi river valley that gets flooded out year after year, then yeah I think we can rebuild N.O. every 3 or 4

I'll agree with you on this one.

But for damn sure, I know I wouldn't live under sea level and right on the water. That is sooooo asking for it.

Pretty much all Cubans in Miami are not illegal. Once they reached US soil they were given political asylum. :2 cents:

This thread pisses me off on so many levels.


A guy who works for a program that I send traffic to....posting under the name of the program, starts a thread asking if they should use tax dollars to rebuild a U.S. city, while I watch the tracking map of a storm that's about to bash into my fucking house.
The same type of storm that consistently bashes into Miami, the home city of the person who started this stupid fucking thread.

I would like to remind the thread starter that either he, or his parents, or at most his grandparents, floated here on a fucking piece of driftwood and MY TAX DOLLARS and my parent's and grandparent's tax dollars taught his family how to speak English in the public schools that you were automatically entitled to go to once you were "feet dry". You and your family were also entitled to use of our public hospitals and numerous other benefits just because you decided to take a boat trip here.

At least the people of New Orleans have been paying federal taxes all of their lives, not to mention the massive federal oil revenues generated by offshore drilling in the Gulf (drilling that couldn't happen without our permission) before making any claim to federal relief dollars.

You and your family, and tens of thousands more in your community were given federal aid long before you ever paid one red cent into our treasury. You should look at the glass walls around you before you throw stones Erasmo. You should also not use The Score Group's name when starting threads that will insult your affiliates. :2 cents:


Now if you'll excuse me I have some last minute preparations to make before this storm comes. Please feel free to continue the discussion about whether or not the people in my area are worthy of the full range of government services because of our altitude.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Miami is above sea level. New Orleans is not.

Case closed.

Unless you are Native American, your relatives are not originally from here either. So they came here from another country as well. I doubt that many people in New Orleans have paid taxes at all let alone their whole lives. Huge population there on welfare.

You know what, fuck you cunt.:321GFY

If you're too stupid to get the point I was making then you should just stay the fuck out of the conversation.

Must be nice for all of you to be so fucking perfect and so fucking far above sea level.

Dickheads.

Lenny Be safe.

Hell NO - mankind can not defeat Mother Nature

Your point was stupid. That is not my fault. New Orleans is full of of people on welfare. Plus they had three years to get their shit together. Miami is full of many Cubans who work. Cubans are actually known for having great work ethics. Plus your immigrant rant did not make any sense. Like I said unless you are Native American your relatives came from another country as well. Don't cuss at me because you do not know simple logic.

Again, go fuck yourself you stupid cunt.

My immigrant rant may have been a little mean, and I've apologized to Erasmo for that already (in private), but it wasn't off topic.
My point was that immigrants today, especially ones who are given legal status as soon as they get here, should be the last people complaining about where federal tax dollars get spent, considering that so many dollars are spent on them and their families before they ever contribute to the national treasury.

New Orleans is not full of people on welfare. Please provide some data other than what you heard on fox news during hurricane Katrina if you're going to continue to insult the people here. New Orleans today is alot different than the New Orleans of 5 years ago.

As for your comment about having 3 years to get our shit together...apparently you have a reading comprehension problem, so I'll type this really slow so you can u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d.

The federal government is in charge of building and maintaining the levees. State and Local Governments have absolutely no say in this matter. It is federal law and we have no choice but to be at the mercy of the feds. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT decided to have a timeline for rebuilding our levees that would have them completed in 2011. The levees breaking is why New Orleans flooded last time, and the levees being topped and/or broken this time will be why New Orleans floods, if it floods.

It might make you feel better to think that it's the fault of all the stupid blacks on welfare who were lazy during the last 3 years and didn't prepare properly....but the person at fault is a Yale educated white guy from a wealthy family who lives on Pennsylvania Ave, along with the people who work for him.

Yeah, but the Dutch had no other land to use... Have you looked at a map of the US? Space is not a concern.

The French settled for LA as the Spanish and the English had already claimed the better parts of the US. They were left with Montreal, Detroit, Biloxi, St Louis, Baton Rouge, etc. Seeing the pattern? Where ever the French were they left behind shit holes that no one wants to live in now. Sorry to my French Canadians about the inclusion of Montreal... but the rest of Canada will understand my comment ;)

Sorry honey but you are the stupid cunt. You choose to use Miami as your city of rant. The immigrants there are legal citizens and they do work so they can bitch all they want about where the money goes. They pay taxes too. It does not matter that you have paid then longer then some of them. As for the people on welfare in New Orleans would you like the stats before or after Hurricane Katrina because I have both. Plenty were on it before the hurricane. It is not that bad there now because many people moved to Texas so they will drain that state. I do not have a reading issue. Perhaps you should read this link http://www.endlongtermhomelessness.o...less_rate.aspx

"One problem contributing to the high number of people who are homeless is that existing low-cost housing units that were damaged in the hurricane are being torn down instead of being replaced. " So there were a lot of low cost housing before the hurricane hit.

You want to bitch about paying taxes to teach people English who come here on a boat. Well I can ask you why the hell should US tax payers be paying for low income housing for people born and raised in the USA? Some of us are sick of paying for generations of families that mooch off of the system. So rant and rave all you want. I do not think we should abandon New Orleans like some people have suggested but something has to be done. No one wants to pay to fix that city every few years. It is to damn expensive.

Thought that was St. Louis

Wait, isn't he a Republican?

Obviously you have never visited the US, or very limited if you have. If there is one thing we have lots of it is empty land.

ACK!

http://www.dhs.gov/threat_level/current_new.gif

Do not forget the risk of getting attacked is ELEVATED

Don't get it :) They also pay tax

I chose Miami because that's the city where the thread starter lives. How much more relevant could it possibly be when the thread starter lives in a city that gets damaged by hurricanes as well, and also receives federal aid after said hurricanes.

Stones and glass houses, log in your eye, speck in mine. Ya get it?
You deciding to jump into the argument just to defend cuban immigrants was pretty stupid. You've obviously paid no attention to the rest of what was being discussed, and you obviously couldn't see the connection in how Miami and their large immigrant population was relevant to the discussion, so you should just shut the fuck up now.

How does it not matter if me and my family have paid taxes longer (and in most cases in higher amounts) than other people, but it does matter if someone in my city is living on the dole? May you should just shut the fuck up and stop contradicting yourself.

You bitch about the people on welfare in New Orleans, you say you have statistics both pre and post Katrina, and then you post a link to an article that's about something totally different.

The VAST MAJORITY of New Orleans residents are gainfully employed and pay taxes, not to mention all of the people who live in the suburbs and commute to New Orleans to work, further expanding the tax base. The idea that the U.S. should just let the city rot because of it's elevation is so stupid that I'm amazed the people who agree with that have managed to learn how to use a computer.

Your assertion that we have to fix the city every few years is equally stupid. Katrina was the first hurricane to damage New Orleans in over 40 years, and had the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT done their job properly in building the levees, even Katrina wouldn't have been a problem.

You can blame the black underclass, or welfare, or Louisiana politicians all you want, but the fact is, the flooding of New Orleans was a failure of the Federal Government, NOT the State or the City or the people on welfare.
If you're really concerned about the waste of money in rebuilding, then write your congressman and Senators and ask them to support levees for New Orleans that can withstand a category 5 hurricane.

Yes he is, and I voted for him for Governor twice.

He was also my congressman, where I voted against him twice.

Just because I support Barack Obama doesn't mean I'm a glassy-eyed-vote-the-party-line-liberal-dreamer. I actually spend alot of time studying the candidates and the issues before making a decision every time I vote. :2 cents:

That's a pretty ridiculous assertion, that we should just move all of the people here somewhere else because we have space available.
Someone else owns that space that you think is available, and all the people here own the space they're on.

Abandoning a major U.S. city is just overall one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, even for GFY.

Yes we should use only the tax money collected from NO to pay for the rebuilding. Take the money from the federal funding of roads, schools, welfare and so on. No tax money that was collected outside of NO should be used.

This thread would be easy if there were no income taxes. People could just donate money and the case would be closed.