To close to mother Russia?
France, Germany, Denmark, Britain all of Europe are close to each other to...
And ya know the fact is Russia would easily be a part of it all...

Only if...
The people in charge of Russia were not so paranoid about losing power.
Whats the problem with Missile Defense shield again? Oh yeah...

There isnt one, it's just a catch issue. What are the Russian people afraid of again? can that really be explained? Are they afraid to vote? Have a Fair government system? Are Russians afraid of capitalism and individual rights while attempting to prosper in business?

If the Russian people were smart they would not be so concerned about some stupid missile system that can not do shit except shoot NUkes down from the sky! C-mon man wake the fuck up and get off the cool aid.

What are nukes for? Oh yeah killing people.
Whats a MIssile Defense shield for? Defending people and saving lives.

Who is not interersted in saving lives in this situation?

Putin and his Bastard Mafia guys thats who.

Leave him alone Alien. If he says something negative about Russia he could get thrown in jail.

AlienQ, you are such a stupid motherfucker, I am shocked you still manage to breathe.
US attacked Irak for nothing, just so that they get their hands on the oil.

US just does what it wants so they can still have a good wealthy life back in the States.

Why the fuck build a shield? Because of Iran threats and others ? Give me a break.

Why isn't every country in Europe building a shield then? Let's all build shields, so afterwards we bomb our asses and kill this Planet.

The shield is clearly intended to protect from Russia. But Russia has never been an attacker, it has always been on defensive position and never wanted to do harm. Even in WWII they didn't want to get involved in it, but they were forced because of Germany attack.

What Russia did was to PROTECT its citizens, and Medvedev clearly stated that! Georgians attacked first!!!
Recently here, American soldiers were involved in car accidents that led to death of innocent people. Those soldiers were immediately sent back to US and nothing happened to them, not even 1 month of prison.

Bush in his every day lies told the situations will be solved, but nothing happened and nothing will. They just shit on every country so that they can continue to have wealthy life back in States. We have contracts of billions of $$$ with American companies, a contract for a big highway here has a price of 1 billion $$$.

So give me a fucking break, US has been doing shit every time in the world following their own interest. Guess what, we are tired of that, World is not unipolar anymore in terms of military and economic power!

It's very easy to be an expert at Russia or at Georgian army while you are living in your own secluded world under FOX and CNN propaganda. But you know, I won't try to explain you anything as well as I don't try it will AlienQ. These words about "freedom", "democracy", "Putin's regime" etc don't work for the people who know the truth. Stay a stupid and ignorant kid for the rest of your life - I don't care about you. Good luck!

Here is almost the same point of view:

Are You Ready for Nuclear War?

By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Source: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08192008.html

http://www.rpmonitor.ru/imgrpm1/craig-300.jpg

Pervez Musharraf, the puppet installed by the US to rule Pakistan in the interest of US hegemony, resigned August 18 to avoid impeachment. Karl Rove and the Diebold electronic voting machines were unable to control the result of the last election in Pakistan, the result of which gave Pakistanis a bigger voice in their government than America’s.

It was obvious to anyone with any sense -- which excludes the entire Bush Regime and almost all of the “foreign policy community -- that the illegal and gratuitous US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and Israel’s 2006 bombing of Lebanon civilians with US blessing, would result in the overthrow of America’s Pakistani puppet.

The imbecilic Bush Regime ensured Musharraf’s overthrow by pressuring their puppet to conduct military operations against tribesmen in Pakistani border areas, whose loyalties were to fellow Muslims and not to American hegemony. When Musharraf’s military operations didn’t produce the desired result, the idiotic Americans began conducting their own military operations within Pakistan with bombs and missiles. This finished off Musharraf.

When the Bush Regime began its wars in the Middle East, I predicted, correctly, that Musharraf would be one victim. The American puppets in Egypt and Jordan may be the next to go.

Back during the Nixon years, my Ph.D. dissertation chairman, Warren Nutter, was Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. One day in his Pentagon office I asked him how the US government got foreign governments to do what the US wanted. “Money,” he replied.

“You mean foreign aid?” I asked.

“No,” he replied, “we just buy the leaders with money.”

It wasn’t a policy he had implemented. He inherited it and, although the policy rankled with him, he could do nothing about it. Nutter believed in persuasion and that if you could not persuade people, you did not have a policy.

Nutter did not mean merely third world potentates were bought. He meant the leaders of England, France, Germany, Italy, all the allies everywhere were bought and paid for.

They were allies because they were paid. Consider Tony Blair. Blair’s own head of British intelligence told him that the Americans were fabricating the evidence to justify their already planned attack on Iraq. This was fine with Blair, and you can see why, with his multi-million dollar payoff once he was out of office.

The American-educated thug, Saakashkvili the War Criminal, who is president of Georgia, was installed by the US taxpayer funded National Endowment for Democracy, a neocon operation whose purpose is to ring Russia with US military bases, so that America can exert hegemony over Russia.

Every agreement that President Reagan made with Mikhail Gorbachev has been broken by Reagan’s successors. Reagan’s was the last American government whose foreign policy was not made by the Israeli-allied neoconservatives. During the Reagan years, the neocons made several runs at it, but each ended in disaster for Reagan, and he eventually drove them from his government.

Even the anti-Soviet Committee on the Present Danger regarded the neocons as dangerous lunatics. I remember the meeting when a member tried to bring
the neocons into the committee, and old line American establishment representatives, such as former Treasury Secretary Douglas Dillon, hit the roof.

The Committee on the Present Danger regarded the neocons as crazy people who would get America into a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. The neocons hated President Reagan, because he ended the cold war with diplomacy, when they desired
a military victory over the Soviet Union.

Deprived of this, the neocons now want victory over Russia.

Today, Reagan is gone. The Republican Establishment is gone. There are no conservative power centers, only neoconservative power centers closely allied with Israel, which uses the billions of dollars funneled into Israeli coffers by US taxpayers to influence US elections and foreign policy.

The Republican candidate for president is a warmonger. There are no checks remaining in the Republican Party on the neocons’ proclivity for war. What Republican constituencies oppose war? Can anyone name one?

The Democrats are not much better, but they have some constituencies that are not enamored of war in order to establish US world hegemony. The Rapture Evangelicals, who fervently desire Armageddon, are not Democrats; nor are the brainwashed Brownshirts desperate to vent their frustrations by striking at someone, somewhere, anywhere.

I get emails from these Brownshirts and attest that their hate-filled ignorance is extraordinary. They are all Republicans, and yet they think they are conservatives. They have no idea who I am, but since I criticize the Bush Regime and America’s belligerent foreign policy, they think I am a “liberal commie pinko.”

The only literate sentence this legion of fools has ever managed is: “If you hate America so much, why don’t you move to Cuba!”

Such is the current state of a Reagan political appointee in today’s Republican Party. He is a “liberal commie pinko” who should move to Cuba.

The Republicans will get us into more wars. Indeed, they live for war. McCain is preaching war for 100 years. For these warmongers, it is like cheering for your home team. Win at all costs. They get a vicarious pleasure out of war. If the US has to tell lies in order to attack countries, what’s wrong with that? “If we don’t kill them over there, they will kill us over here.”

The mindlessness is total.

Nothing real issues from the American press, which is about demonizing Russia and Iran, about the vice presidential choices as if it matters, about whether Obama being on vacation let McCain score too many points.

The mindlessness of the news reflects the mindlessness of the government, for which it is a spokesperson.

The American media do not serve American democracy or American interests. They serve the few people who exercise power.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the US and Israel made a run at controlling Russia and the former constituent parts of its empire. For awhile the US and Israel succeeded, but Putin put a stop to it.

Recognizing that the US had no intention of keeping any of the agreements it had made with Gorbachev, Putin directed the Russian military budget to upgrading the Russian nuclear deterrent. Consequently, the Russian army and air force lack the smart weapons and electronics of the US military.

When the Russian army went into Georgia to rescue the Russians in South Ossetia from the destruction being inflicted upon them by the American puppet Saakashvili, the Russians made it clear that if they were opposed by American troops with smart weapons, they would deal with the threat with tactical nuclear weapons.

The Americans were the first to announce preemptive nuclear attack as their permissible war doctrine. Now the Russians have announced the tactical use of nuclear weapons as their response to American smart weapons.

It is obvious that American foreign policy, with its goal of ringing Russia with US military bases, is leading directly to nuclear war. Every American needs to realize this fact. The US government’s insane hegemonic foreign policy is a direct threat to life on the planet.

Russia has made no threats against America. The post-Soviet Russian government has sought to cooperate with the US and Europe. Russia has made it clear over and over that it is prepared to obey international law and treaties. It is the Americans who have thrown international law and treaties into the trash can, not the Russians.

In order to keep the billions of dollars in profits flowing to its contributors in the US military-security complex, the Bush Regime has rekindled the cold war. As American living standards decline and the prospects for university graduates deteriorate, “our” leaders in Washington commit us to a hundred years of war.

If you desire to be poor, oppressed, and eventually vaporized in a nuclear war, vote Republican.

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Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.

if I were you I would STFU about sucking cocks... we all know what you've been doing ...

Gezz still going on

well, thats AlienQ for you. The most pathetic, clueless idiot on this board.

Or shot and killed while in police custody

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Bpjr8ZuF8vLoOQ

Be sure to read this thread: http://www.gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/851861-russian-police-kill-website-owner.html

I say, let the Russians have their communist dictatorship back again... If that's what they want, then good luck to 'em!!

До свидания товарищ!!


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Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophobia :winkwink:

Wikipedia is a quotable resource??? :1orglaugh

....and you know nothing about me or my personal feelings about Russia and Russians, please re-read my post.


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Should it be? :)

Actually I don't get your comments. I've posted youtube video (the firts one) filmed by a Georgian soldier. And I really can't understand all those comments about Putin, communists, dictatorship etc. How these things are related to war crimes in Tskhinvali?

If you want to discuss Putin, Ku Klux Klan, Hiroshima and Nagasaky or anything else - just create an appropriate thread :2 cents:

"But Russia has never been an attacker, it has always been on defensive position and never wanted to do harm. Even in WWII they didn't want to get involved in it, but they were forced because of Germany attack."
Thats false! Type Google: Winter War

Wrong. It was Soviet Union. Learn history man because knowledge is power :thumbsup Furthermore that war was started by another insane Georgian motherfucker - Stalin.

Next time you will state that Federal Republic of Germany started WWII :) Sometimes level of people's ignorance is inconceivable.

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go back in your tomb ....

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...2/1261994.aspx


So McCunt should run for the presidency of Georgia ( not the state ... )....

stop eating that propagandist shit from your goverment.
I dont actually belive in innocent Georgia, but you apparently smoke too much shit from your goverment.

Another Putin´s opponent just got killed, directly by police:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001028,00.html
THE founder of a website that has criticised the Kremlin's policies in the Caucasus was found dead today in the Russian republic of Ingushetia, according to prosecutors quoted by Interfax.

Prosecutors have opened a preliminary investigation into the death of Magomed Yevloyev, who ran the website ingushetia.ru, said the news agency.

The website reported that Yevloyev was killed while in police custody.

"Magomed Yevloyev was arrested today in Ingushetia and was killed,'' said a report posted on his website www.ingushetia.ru.

Interfax quoted spokesman Vladimir Markin of the prosecutor's office as saying that "an incident'' took place after he was taken into a police car "resulting in a shooting injury to the head and he later died in hospital''.

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Whats this has to do with anything?
Yes, radical Islamism guy got killer.. In the US he would have followed thru “humane” path of being declared “enemy combatant” and shipped to Guantanamo without a trial for next 20 years or so.

Yes, stop eating that propagandist shit from your government, STFU and watch video I've posted here: http://www.gfy.com/14693957-post1.html

Thank you :)

Are you necroposter or you're watching slow Estonian news? :upsidedow We ALREADY discussed that murder here: http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=851861 - look at the thread's date :helpme

If you open your eyes and start thinking, you'll see that Evloev's death was very unprofitable for Putin. What's your IQ btw? :)

Nope. Just watch the video and "enjoy".

I don't spit propoganda about my country. In fact, I'm often very critical of it.

You just post the latest propaganda that is put out. Although I can't blame you, I've read what happens to those who dissent.

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You are in now way similar to US guys here before Iraq invasion. Actually there were at least 20% of them against war, while in Russia you hardly any find some critics of your policy. thats what is called eating a shit from goverment propagandists.
There is not a lof of critism of your country policies in Russia and we all know how hard critics ended up.


so what about posting some video from Chechnya ? this looks like childgame when compared with Chechnya .

so they got arrested, so what? in Russia they would get beaten by police and arrested...I would take US police treatment all the way :1orglaugh

yes, very unprofitable :1orglaugh what are you smoking? how many newspaper journalist got killed for criticism of your goverment in the past years? you are one of the top countries in the world with most killed newspaper journalist per year.
yeah, russia is free and democratic country :1orglaugh

Critical of the country or its propaganda?

Oh, not! I haven't changed my mind or something like that. When the conflict began and the info about killed Russian peacemakers became available, I was 100% sure that I'll hate my country if it will leave it without a serious response.

Why not? You have an access to youtube, so you can post it here. Personally I haven't seen anything like that from Chechnya. Yes, I saw a lot videos from there - some VERY brutal, and I heard a lot of real stories from the guys who was fighting there. There was a real hell - for sure. But one again I have saw a video of a guy shooting civilians just for fun. As far as you know, many Russian soldiers died there. You may believe me or not, but it's impossible to have such a big loses fighting with civilians as the Georgian "army" did. :2 cents:

Totally agree.

Man, you are soooooooooooooooooo fuckin' away from here and you know nothing about real situation in Russia. Noone will kill you because you just don't agree with Putin (for example I don't agree with his internal politics, I never voted nor for him and not for Medvedev but I still alive :)), but it's very easy to be killed because of money. Open your eyes and read Russian anti-government press - no one gives a shit about them, until it's not about money and criminal business... Don't mess with shady people and you will be safe - that's a a rule.

When I say "unprofitable" I mean that such a murder is a real problem for Russian government and Putin personally. Should I explain you why?

Just imagine if this guy has died because of heart attack or something like that... Do you think it's a real problem for a secret service? Don't make me laugh please :) So why the hell he has been killed by Russian police after his arrest and this story has appeared in all major Russian news? Don't you find it a bit strange? What are you smoking man?

P.S. Try to find some info on Badri Patarkatsishvili - the only serious Saakashvili's competitor.

This message on the wall of Georgian military base in Poti was left by Russian army after the raid:

http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/1...21c58_full.jpg

There is written: "Comrades Georgians learn the military science well!!! We'll be back to check it!!! 71st guard of motorized infantry regiment" :1orglaugh

http://img13.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/6...664fb_full.jpg

http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/3...47fdc_full.jpg

http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/a...ca962_full.jpg

http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/b...c1be7_full.jpg

http://img11.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/5...415f9_full.jpg

Are these videos taken before or after August 6th?

Quoted for truth.

Yeah & why would they carry a fuckin camcorder with them? Its pretty obvious they staged it & they used it to carry their attack on Georgia. Fuckin pussy Russians:321GFY

These videos were taken by Georgian soldiers during Georgian aggression against South Ossetian civilians on 8th August BEFORE Russian army came there to kick some georgian asses.