oh god, the footlong meatball marinara is the fucking shit

So she is a big deal in Alaska, If old Mcain gets sick, you goin to want that girl to command an army?

It was a speech. Nothing more. She did well, but did she do better than Obama last week? I think they are different and were aimed at different groups and were both effective. Palin's role is now clear. She, like Biden, will be there to take pot shots at the presidential candidate and clearly her main job is to rally the base in hopes that the combination of her good looks and McCain desperately trying to regain the Maverick cred he lost about 5 years ago will be enough to convince enough independents in enough swing states to vote for them.

She looked good and got in some good hits, but she is playing with the big boys now. This ain't Alaska or some podunk town, she is in the major leagues and they will hit back. Let's see how well she does when people can actually question and challenge her. You can't tell much of anything about anyone during a convention. She had a speech written by great writers and she had plenty of time to practice it and she pulled it off brilliantly, but if McCain falls flat on his face tomorrow night much of her momentum will be lost. But if McCain does well tomorrow night then they will have done what she was brought in to do and they will leave the convention with the evangelical base much happier than they were a week ago.

But will she hold up? At this point she has not spoken to anyone and has just given speeches. What will she say when they ask her how she justifies the fact that when she became mayor of her home town they had a balanced budget and when she left that position she left them with 22 million in debt? How will she defend how she first was for getting money sent to her state for the "bridge to nowhere" and then suddenly when it looked bad she was against it? How will the troopergate thing playout? How will people react when they start asking her about trying to fire the librarian of the town she became mayor of because the librarian wouldn't play along and just let her ban books? These are questions she will have to answer.

The republicans can say it is the liberal media attacking her and there may be some truth to that, but the questions are justified. If McCain wins she will be a heartbeat from the presidency and we should be allowed to know what type of person and leader she is and has been. If the shoe were on the other foot and it was Obama who had a pregnant 17 year old daughter do you not think the republican pundits would be all over him screaming about how he is not teaching his kids "good family values?" So some of it might be sexist, but the republicans weren't crying sexism when it was all the guys going after Hilary in the primaries. Now that it is their girl they are pissed. They can get as pissed as they want, eventually she will have to answer these and other questions or they will just follow her and McCain and dampen his chances.

She did good tonight, but a presidential race is like a marathon. She and Obama came out of the blocks strong, let's see how she holds up.

To me this election comes down to a couple of simple things. If, during the debates, Obama can prove he is not just a guy with a teleprompter and charisma and that he can think for himself and has good ideas and he can actually get the far left and the young voters to the polls on election day he will win. If he fails on either of those things it gets tough. If McCain can keep his base happy with Palin and he can separate himself enough from Bush to convince the independents in the swing states that he will do things differently he will be hard to beat.

Make no mistake. Conventions don't mean shit. Last week they had all but anointed Obama president. Now she is the new flavor of the minute. National polls also don't mean shit and We have the electoral college and the electoral college map is very much in favor of Obama right now. That could change, but McCain has a hill to climb and if Palin can't tow her own weight or give the right answers to the questions she will be asked in the coming weeks he is going to have to climb those hills with an albatross around his neck.

McCain threw the hail mary pass when he picked her. Right now he looks like Doug Flutie and like it might work. But next week it may be a different story all togeher.

That's good news because you didn't manage to construct one.

I read every post in this thread... I didn't see any of you idiots that are supporting the right wing say anything about Romney clearly stating that the Republicans will remove pornography from homes. My take is pure and simple... you can believe a speech written by Bush's speechwriter and well read by a trained actress (her degree is in journalism and she was a beauty queen and sportscaster) or you can use your fucking brain and vote for a Harvard graduated Constitutional Law Professor.

The reason we are in this mess to begin with is because you stupid fucks always buy into the Republican Mantra of "We are for less government"... show me proof of any Republican President in this generation (especially not Bush 1 or 2) that reduced the size of government and reduced taxes like they promised. Tell you what... when you guys can make a real argument... come back and I'll school you again.

Go ahead, vote with your dick. You and everyone else who does so will regret it. I think both parties suck and Palin is such a phoney but hey, you got to have some skills to sell a jet on ebay.

Funny thing is, the methods of torture used on him in Vietnam are now on the US's list of legal "advanced interrogation" techniques. By 2008 standards, he wasn't even tortured.



And I'm not impressed with Palin. I'm impressed with her speech writer, but not Palin.

He just a "joe" republican type.

You can help stupid.

you only think that because you're an obvious communist.

republicans= hypocrits and liars...you've never been so far of democracy than over the past 8 years of lying to go ahead with the real agenda: please american oil companies. You think they care about values? You think it will be like in the 50s if you elect the republicans? Get with the program...

democrat= probably not perfect, but will at least respect the americans and the rest of the planet too.

My guess is people that think an extremist right winger like palin is the way to go are the people that never got out of the States... lack of culture is direct cause of Republicans winning elections...Too many Americans have absolutely no clue of the World.

-Palin thinks the oil in alaska is worth more than endangered species, now that's America for the rest of the world.
-Giving lessons to other countries but doing the exact opposite because of oil interest? Now that's the america we know.
-Taking sex ed out of schools for moral reasons ( and finding your teenage daughter is pregnant). Now that's an great american value.
-Having a baby after a rape because abortion is illegal, now that's America.
- Constant lying to get what you want, that's an american value I hope my kids will learn.
- Refusing to accept the theory of evolution when science has clearly proven it, now that's american.
- Being total hypocrits after seeing for one half second a celeb's tit on TV while being in the country that produces the most porn on the planet, that's a contradiction I hope my kids will learn from.
- Hiding behind the constitution to keep the right to hold a gun, even if 25% of your population are medicated crazy bipolar timebomb, in the Nation where you have BY FAR the worst ratios of gun crimes, whoa you guys rock!

Republicans, we thank you because if it wasn't of you, we'd live in a far worst world!


just my 2 cents

I can't think of anything more demeaning to women than to suggest that a women would vote republican simply because there is a woman on the ticket. Women have brains and in fact, as it has been pointed out several times, women are typically less inclined to vote for another female.

I had the same thing 2 nights ago. And I think you are right..

Same time next week?

man i loved Palin in *Legally Blonde*

she gave a great speach there and saved the court case...she was fantastic last night too!

http://d.yimg.com/img.news.yahoo.com...%2Fblonde8.jpg



whatever....that speech last night was straight out of a Saturday Night Live sketch

Dude you would vote for a fucking retard if he was a republican. Oh wait you already did twice.

I crave a ham sandwich.

LOL...he was a joke of a soldier who crashed and burned every mission he participated in while killing more of his own soldiers than ever saving. Get over the false patriotism. You never served a day in your life pussy.

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The Democrats have controlled the house and senate since the 2004 election.

This is what I found :

How does this work then ?

My bad, you are correct. The Democrats have had control of the house and senate since the 2006 elections.

101 Palin bitch right wing extremist:thumbsup

Palin delivered a good speech, I mean she sounded good. But did she really "own" anything since a lot of its was untrue? Claim vs Fact

This deserves it's own thread. :2 cents:

the only ownage of the whole thread.

Perfect summary.

You really are an idiot. No wonder Ron Paul failed, having tools like you as his fan base.

It's going to be interesting seeing how she does in interviews and debates in the coming weeks.

my diagnosis for you: COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT...:thumbsup

Just let him continue making a complete ass of himself. It's more fun that way.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fucking awesome post dude.


:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thum bsup

Your life must be very black and white. It's more than likely that you cannot even begin to understand the serious social and economic problems your country is in. Yeah Republicans love their country, they probably love it so much that they choose to ignore all that is wrong and act as if it wasn't them themselves who put you in this situation. And they just want to "keep things American how it is"... that's great, isn't it? Everything is just fine.

So I guess that applys to the african american demographic as well? Why would over 70% of african americans vote for some black guy who hasn't done a dam thing to prove anything beyond being able to deliver prepared speeches better than most other politicians?

African americans are smarter than that or one would hope.

Just knowing there is a chance notoldschool will be posting on GFY keeps me coming back, hes the village idiot you cant avoid making fun of and its great entertainment. I dont think he has ever made a valid point...ever!

Correlation does not imply causation.

Over the long haul of politics your statement is correct. As far as spending goes they could have been lil more fiscally responible but alot was compromised with democratic congress to get spending bills in, in support of the war. Second I don't care which party was in office there budget would have been blown to hell and caught shit for it... How many administrations whether it was gore or buish could have dealt with 9/11, Iraq, Afganistan, Katrina and etc...

Granted you can debate a couple points there but no matter what any administrations budget was fucked. As far as katrina's problems lets not lose sight that its a local matter and not a federal matter till the state seeks it. LA, never caught the shit they should have politically for there ill prepared system.

Again no matter which office was in power in LA would have caught shit because shit should have been done years and years ago...

Remember politics is a game of pass the buck.... reagan set up years of good solid economics , bush started something he should have finished, clinton didnt kill obama, bush gets that shit with 9/11, and the shit continues.... and always will...

And for those who are bitching about the war who started the korean or vietnam war? a democrat...

all this shit is mere politics, do you want govt telling you what to do with your money or do you want to do with your money with what you want? Essentially thats what taxes are... They don't have confidence in the private sector and how they spend money...

You are using that phrase incorrectly. I'm not surprised though, having read some of your previous posts. :1orglaugh

Ok, explain how I am using it incorrectly. The argument, in simple terms, was:

black voters disproportionately support Obama

Obama = black

-> black voters disproportionaly support black candidates based solely on race

extended to:

Obama : black = Palin : female

-> Females will disproprotionately support a female candidate

My statement of "correlation does not imply causation" was suggesting that disproportionate black voter support for obama is not a 1:1 relationship to his race. Meaning there are many factors, especially in socio-economic terms, that explain Obama's support amongst black voters. So, it's silly to use black voter support of Obama as part of an argument to say that women will vote for McCain / Palin because Palin is a woman.

But please, enlighten me and show me how I have mis-used my statement.

P.S. I'm flattered that you're such an avid reader of my posts.

Fuck off old man. Instead of barging in with your stupid one liners how about disproving anything i said. You cannot yet you try to make yourself believe. Baaaaaa.