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crockett 09-13-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kandah (Post 14751307)
What difference does all of that make?

Americans dropped bombs, children died. It is as simple as that.

It makes a lot of difference, Pakistan agreed to deal with the insurgents on their side of the boarder. They took money for military aid from the US to just do that. Pakistan instead does little to nothing about the insurgents who are crossing the border to kill NATO troops in Afghanistan, which include US troops as well as troops from many other NATO members.

If Pakistan won't live up to their side of the deal, then the US will do it for them. It's quite simple, if Pakistan won't stop the insurgents from crossing the boarder the US will.

It's sad innocent people get killed in war, but hey maybe they shouldn't let the insurgents stay in their homes.

crockett 09-13-2008 02:45 PM

btw do you guys feel shame about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7614280.stm

"Five bombs have ripped through busy shopping areas of India's capital, Delhi, within minutes of each other, killing at least 20 people, police say.

The explosions, which also injured about 90 people, are not thought to have been very powerful but happened in crowded areas.

Four unexploded bombs were also found and defused, police said.

More than 400 people have died since October 2005 in bomb attacks on Indian cities such as Ahmedabad and Bangalore.

India has blamed Islamist militant groups for these previous bombings.
"

Gee where do the Islamist militant groups come from? Humm could it be Pakistan?

Thumbler 09-13-2008 02:45 PM

Did it by any chance cross your mind that this story may not be true (which it isn't)?

skinnay 09-13-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14751544)
i am not by a long shot, however in america we have the right to choose..

including, giving up the right to be a citizen..

How about the choice not to, and actually try do the right thing by not supporting an administration of scumbags?

skinnay 09-13-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14751508)
Maybe you should consider to stop being such a pussy. I live in Europe and have no problem telling them I am an American. It is true that most Europeans don't like America, but then again most of them cannot find the US on a map either.

I'm sure you also have no problem waving your flag screaming USA! USA!?

cykoe6 09-13-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnay (Post 14751578)
I'm sure you also have no problem waving your flag screaming USA! USA!?

I can't say I have ever had the desire to do that even when I lived in the US. I have no problem telling people I am from the US, however. Sometimes when someone here finds out I am American they start to prattle on spouting some whiny Euro leftist agitprop but I usually just laugh in their face. :1orglaugh

sltr 09-13-2008 03:02 PM

so you rush to an adult message board to whine about it so you can get a thumbs up from the other america bashers here yet do nothing pro-active for change.

typical

cykoe6 09-13-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 14751569)
btw do you guys feel shame about this?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7614280.stm

"Five bombs have ripped through busy shopping areas of India's capital, Delhi, within minutes of each other, killing at least 20 people, police say.

The explosions, which also injured about 90 people, are not thought to have been very powerful but happened in crowded areas.

Four unexploded bombs were also found and defused, police said.

More than 400 people have died since October 2005 in bomb attacks on Indian cities such as Ahmedabad and Bangalore.

India has blamed Islamist militant groups for these previous bombings.
"

I am sure that Buzzy feels like that is a legitimate expression of Muslim grievances against the Western imperialists. :upsidedow

marketsmart 09-13-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnay (Post 14751573)
How about the choice not to, and actually try do the right thing by not supporting an administration of scumbags?

i dont support this administration one bit.. i dont support the war, i dont support our foreign policy, and i def dont support another 4 years of this shit with mccain..

but, all i can do i go vote and volunteer some money and time to the person i think can make a change.. and thats the best i can offer towards change..

in terms of feeling sorry for afghani kids, i dont....

the afghanis have been playing both sides for a long time and this is the price of that policy...

crockett 09-13-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14751625)
i dont support this administration one bit.. i dont support the war, i dont support our foreign policy, and i def dont support another 4 years of this shit with mccain..

but, all i can do i go vote and volunteer some money and time to the person i think can make a change.. and thats the best i can offer towards change..

in terms of feeling sorry for afghani kids, i dont....

the afghanis have been playing both sides for a long time and this is the price of that policy...

I don't support this admin either and I sure don't support the war in Iraq, however the war in Afghan isn't the war in Iraq and I damn sure support the war in Afghanistan.

It was al Qaeda that attacked us on 9/11, it was al Qaeda who attacked the USS Cole, it was al Qaeda who attacked the two US embassy and it is them who support vast terrorist groups around the world.

It was al Qaeda whom was based in Afghanistan with the support of the Taliban who attacked us. Don't confuse the war in Iraq with the war in Afghanistan because they are two very different wars and it pisses me off that Bush let that war become pretty much forgotten about.

Afghanistan is part of the real war on terrorism and Pakistan is a major part of the problem. Pakistan just like Afghanistan has played both sides of the fence, pandering to the west for money and support while allowing the extremist to work inside their boarders doing little to stop them as to not upset them.

Al Qaeda and other extremist groups now work freely inside Pakistan just like they once did in Afghanistan. The difference is Pakistan has nuclear weapons which make it even a bigger threat to the rest of the world especially India.

- Jesus Christ - 09-13-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14751299)
so i guess they are killing people in darfur with what? kindness?

I thought you were referring the problems I would consider much larger and long term...

AIDS and starvation...

buzzy 09-13-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett
The difference is Western soldiers wouldn't be hiding behind women and children and put them in harms way.

There is no evidence anyone was hiding behind civillians, this is usually only an Israeli tactic used by the IDF. But even by the littlest chance there was militants hiding there, they still should not have bombed it, killing 60 children is no excuse and i can not believe there are people trying to make excuses for this.

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Originally Posted by cykoe6
Maybe you should consider to stop being such a pussy. I live in Europe and have no problem telling them I am an American. It is true that most Europeans don't like America, but then again most of them cannot find the US on a map either.

So why the fuck do you live here? Go back to the US if you like it there so much. And considering you are constantly bashing "the left" why the fuck are you in Europe? Almost all countries in Europe are left. Hypocrite.

cykoe6 09-13-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy (Post 14751976)
So why the fuck do you live here? Go back to the US if you like it there so much. And considering you are constantly bashing "the left" why the fuck are you in Europe? Almost all countries in Europe are left. Hypocrite.

I am a hypocrite because I live in Europe and I am not a leftist? Is there some idealogical purity test that one must pass to live in Europe? I have been living under the old fashioned assumption that people are allowed to hold differing viewpoints. :)


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