Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14774801)

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

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Originally Posted by msp (Post 14778377)

And Obama is?

Originally Posted by germ (Post 14926551)

Yes. If you think someone could go through the vetting process that running for president and campaigning on the national level for 2 years entails and it not come to light that they arent even a US citizen, you need to take off the tin foil hat.

Originally Posted by gornyhuy (Post 14774660)

Jeb Bush

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14926661)

obama would create an executive order to remain in power forever.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14926716)

wow u are brainwashed, obama is a just a tool to ease socialism onto the american people.. get the ignorant, desperate and uneducated to believe hope will come from a change and everything will go smoothly.

anyone who disagrees with the agenda is labeled a racist or out of touch and you have the country divided.



ever been to an MLM meeting? same thing

sad how americans are digging their own graves.

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14774801)

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14926749)

Really when W a republican pushed to socialize the financial sector. So when big business gets a huge tax break or subciteries, thats ok but to help the hard working family is socialism thats too funny.
Also during W his tax cuts made the rich richer and employment went down and wages dropped. This trickle down bullshit doesnt work.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14926975)

LOL, so you think that by taking money from hard working business owners who invest risk and hard work into making a successful business we should penalize them and take their money and redistribute to the guy who settles for paycheck to paycheck because he didnt want to work hard in the beginning.

business owners will just hire less people or outsource, very simple, u think its bad now, just wait and see whats coming.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14926716)

anyone who disagrees with the agenda is labeled a racist or out of touch and you have the country divided.

Originally Posted by germ (Post 14926994)

the tax increase for people making 250k-600k a year is THREE PERCENT.

Tell me how many small businesses are making over 600k a year.

Stop getting all your information from Fox news.

Also...Obamas plan calls for tax breaks for people that DONT outsource the jobs. As it stands now, you get tax breaks whether you keep jobs in the US or send them overseas. He wants to put a stop to that.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14926749)

Really when W a republican pushed to socialize the financial sector. So when big business gets a huge tax break or subciteries, thats ok but to help the hard working family is socialism thats too funny.
Also during W his tax cuts made the rich richer and employment went down and wages dropped. This trickle down bullshit doesnt work.

Originally Posted by germ (Post 14927020)

If you think the Obama campaign is the divisive one, you havent been paying attention.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14927150)

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

and i get my information from all sources, thank you

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 14774801)

"John McCain, who ran for the Republican party nomination in 2000 and is the Republican nominee in 2008, was born at the Coco Solo U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents. Although the Panama Canal Zone was not considered to be part of the United States,[6] federal law states: "Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States."[7] The law that conferred this status took effect on August 4, 1937, one year after John McCain was born ? albeit with retroactive effect, resulting in McCain being declared a U.S. citizen.[8] However, the question as to whether or not he is a citizen from birth cannot be answered by this law because (1) it took effect after his birth and (2) it does not state that the person's citizenship was acquired at birth, only that they are a citizen by means of the law's establishment (and, hence, at the time the law takes effect). Indeed, the law in 1936 stated that all persons born to two US citizen parents outside the "limits and jurisdictions of the United States" are citizens at birth, but the problem is that the Panama Canal Zone was explicitly excluded. (8 U.S.C. 173 (1925): "The term 'United States' shall be construed to mean the United States, and any waters, territory, or other place subject to the jurisdiction thereof, except the Isthmian Canal Zone.") The status of Mr. McCain's citizenship at birth nonetheless remains unsettled.[9]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

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Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14774704)

no question about t .. it will be Sarah Palin

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14927150)

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

and i get my information from all sources, thank you

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14926480)

No they would not and no it is not.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14927150)

uhm, most businesses make over 600k a year.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14927171)

it comes down to the ignorant and naive vs. the educated and successful

Originally Posted by cdsmith (Post 14774616)

i know that all the staunch conservatives here are 100% certain he's going to win,

but indulge for a moment... If he were to lose... Whom do you think would be the republican nominee in 2012?


I have an idea who it might be but i'm interested in what everyone else thinks first.

Originally Posted by BradM (Post 14927460)

Arnold can not run and the law will not be amended. So no shot at that.

Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 14774710)

Sarah Palin with Gov Christ as her VP.

Originally Posted by germ (Post 14927444)

So in one post you condemn the Obama campaign because you feel that anyone who disagrees with his policies and proposals will be labeled as racist or out of touch, yet you feel that anyone who disagrees with your viewpoints is ignorant and naive?

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14926480)

No they would not and no it is not.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 14927178)

profit or revenue?

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue (Post 14778481)

Rudy Giuliani's hatchet job of the Dems at the RNC definitely gave him some brownie points for a future run.

Originally Posted by LisaWP (Post 14927479)

dennis miller!!!!

Originally Posted by gornyhuy (Post 14774660)

Jeb Bush

Originally Posted by CamTraffic (Post 14928738)

everybody in the US making over 100k will get a fat one is their asses!

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14774783)

That youngun from weezy-ana. Whatshis name.. mumbly joe... Almost generated a massive recall election cuz he tries so hard to stand on the razors edge between conflicting interests............ Lil Bobby Jindal.

Originally Posted by robfantasy (Post 14926975)

LOL, so you think that by taking money from hard working business owners who invest risk and hard work into making a successful business we should penalize them and take their money and redistribute to the guy who settles for paycheck to paycheck because he didnt want to work hard in the beginning.

business owners will just hire less people or outsource, very simple, u think its bad now, just wait and see whats coming.

Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 14932614)

It always makes me smile in amusement and wonder, whenever I see or hear people criticizing a candidate for wanting to raise taxes. Where do these critics think the money is going to come from to pay for Bush's war?

Then I remember the guy who said "They can just print more, and pay for it that way."

:D

Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 14774742)

I could see that. She'll have 6 years experience at that point. Crist is a good pick for a key battleground state

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14933289)

I don't know why I'm bothering to address you, because your political beliefs are as deranged as the guy in your avatar's religious beliefs.....

But this tax conversation is dominating this thread so here goes....

We've always had progressive income tax in this country. Every industrialized nation has progressive income tax.
ALL TAXES are a redistribution of wealth. Government takes money from people, and uses it (hopefully) for the betterment of the entire society.

Obama wants to put tax rates for top earners, and for capital gains, back to where they were during the Clinton administration.
All of you fucking chicken littles were predicting a massive recession and major unemployment when Clinton raised taxes on the top bracket to 39.6%.......and then we went on to create 22 million new jobs, move more people from the lower class to the middle class and more people from the middle class to the upper class than any 8 year period in our history.

So just STFU with your "socialist, redistribution, going to kill the economy" bullshit, because the facts are not on your side.
You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.