It wasnt hypothetical he stated it like it was fact.

Yes duh its a fuckin diversion to distract from the BIG point of why Joe got popular. Because of Obamas reply. His reply to JOE THE PLUMBER was "We need to SPREAD THE WEALTH" THAT is socialism. Fuck that Robinhood bullshit.

Joe the plumber ( or Samuel the plumber ) is a real model :

seems he can't pay his health care ....

What? People do research nowadays?

Hey dickwad, your man Bush bailing out banks...wtf do you call that? WTF do you call all those tax breaks to oil?

Leave it to an ignorant piece of crap like you to come and once again defend the right wing crap when they are caught. Don't you think the cesspool of shit the republican party has become fucked things up enough? Guess not when you're in it.

I don't care if he is related to Zenu.
Obama can feel free to spread his own wealth around, but he can keep his big govt. hands off of my wealth. I'll decide where that gets spread. I agree with Joe.



ABC's "Good Morning America"
October 16, 2008

ABC's Diane Sawyer: "Well I just want to ask you now about the issue that was raised because it's been a little confusing to me as I tried to sort it out here. To get straight here, you're not taking home $250,000 now, am I right?"

Joe Wurzelbacher: "No. No. Not even close."

Sawyer: "And you were you asking ? about the prospect, the hope that someday you would make $250,000, and you were saying you didn't want that to be taxed?"

Wurzelbacher: "Well, exactly. Exactly. I mean not that I don't want to be taxed. You have to be taxed. But to ? just because you work a little harder to have a little bit more money taken from you, I mean, that's scary. You know as opposed to other people. I worked hard for it. Why should I be taxed more than other people?"

Sawyer: "Well if people making $250,000 should not be taxed additionally ? by the way, it's 3% from 36% to 39% under Senator Obama's plan. If those people should not be taxed additionally, even though they're in the top 5% of America, what about people who make $1 million? Or $5 million?"

Wurzelbacher: "Well, I mean, quite honestly, why should they be penalized for being successful. I mean, that's what you're telling me. That's what it sounds like you're saying. That's wrong. Because you're successful, you have to pay more than everybody else? We all live in this country. It's a basic right. And Obama wants to take that basic right and penalize me for it, is what it comes down to. That's a very socialist view and it's incredibly wrong. I mean, $250,000 now. What if he decides, well you know $150,000, you're pretty rich too. Let's go ahead and lower it again. You know it's a slippery slope. When's it going to stop?"

Well... Joe may very well be a plant... and I wouldn't put it past either party - or better yet any one of the DEM or REP PAC's.

But, the simple fact is... we are officially entering a 'recession'. Though GDP has not yet provided 2 consecutive negative quarterly numbers, many economists now believe that is just around the corner. In addition, the Q3-2007 numbers may not have been up at all as it is clear the US economy was retracting in 2007.

Now, this country raised taxes (Revenue Act of 1932) in the early stages of the 'Great Depression' which added to the economic woes and prolonged the recovery. Raising taxes during economic downturns is very damaging to the economy and job market.

Now, I realize Obama's 'tax increase' is targeted at the top 5%, and the Revenue Act was accross the board, but the difference is, nearly ALL job creation is produced by the top 5%. This tax policy will cause severe job cuts across a large number of small businesses. While not all small business will need to let people go, its certainly reasonable that 5-10% might. What percentage of the job market is that? That could add 2% on top of the unemployment rate?

In the 90's 50% of all NEW jobs created were by companies with less than 20 employees. That number is even higher today. Both Obama and McCain acknowledge that 'Small Businesses" will drive our economic recovery and economy of the future.

If this is so, why would anyone wan't to raise taxes NOW on that segment of the US economy?

fix it yourself next time then if you don't think there is value in what they did for you. I'm a journeyman plumber, and $1k for a reroute on a slab leak is cheap. Not to mention I know how to do it. do you? I personally love going to a call where some asshat like you thought they knew better or could do it themselves and then ended up causing a ton more work because they didn't know what they were doing. there is value in experience and knowledge, like it or not.

regarding ASM's $35k bill and being privy to the guys profit margin... sounds like your plumber is just a good guy in telling you this info. I'd venture to say that he doesn't pull only 12% all the time, and averaging out at the end of the year he does ok. there is nothing wrong with someone making a comfortable living because they know how to do something that most others don't know how to do.

haha funny

Only in this stupid fucking country would this shit even matter. God we are a pathetic country.

As McCain said in rallies today:

You want to know who won ?
Joe the plumber won.
Yes Joe won !!!


What a moronic campaign ...

Ssshhh.. You'll make his head asplode if he figures that out.

More like play Robin Hood.

Its the same % that existed under Clinton. People didn't seem to care then. Oh but then there wasn't the internet filled with experts to tell everyone how wrong it is. Fact is, the top 5% should want the lower 95% to be able to reap the benefits of success. American consumers and American workers are what enabled them to be who they are. Its whats enabled them to close factories to increase profits by 2%. Its whats enabled them to outsource jobs to third world countries and continue to up the price of their products despite the reduced cost. Yet the bottom 95% are expected to take their lumps and enjoy it.

Can't believe all of you that have been brainwashed to the socialism doctrine. Pitiful. :disgust

So if you take away money from those that create jobs how will that help the economy exactly? Punish those that succeed brilliant.

Jobs are not created by the top 5%. Jobs are created by demand.

I cant believe you vote against your own best interests and news flash the bush tax cuts created lots of wealth while jobs and salaries dropped. Trickle down doesnt work. We have heard about companies having record quarters and in the next breath laying people off to stay competitive. Which really means ceos can get their big fat bonuses because the spread looks good.
News Flash The republicans dont give a flying fuck about you, John Mccain didnt say the words middle class once last night because he doesnt give a shit about them.
And it was W a republican president who pushed for the socialization of our financial system.

Really too many points to cover there and I won't be changing anyones mind here so... lol

Who is creating jobs now? All I see is huge corps constantly cutting. Soon there will be no one who can afford to buy their products and even more jobs are lost. The system is broken. I don't think tax increases are the fix but what is?

I have a question about the tax reforms Obama wants to make it, does it only affect people who make over 250k? I know someone who is making 100k but they claim they are voting for McCain because he won't raise their taxes... but the thing is that OBama's tax plans wouldn't even affect them cause they are not making over 250k... is that correct?

Give me the correct info so I can put this person in check.

We do not propose to say there shall be no rich men. We do not ask to divide the wealth.
We only propose that, when one man gets more than he and his children and children?s children can spend or use in their lifetimes, that then we shall say that such person has his share.



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How many men ever went to a barbecue and would let one man take off the table what's intended for 9/10th of the people to eat? The only way to be able to feed the balance of the people is to make that man come back and bring back some of that grub that he ain't got no business with!

Now we got a barbecue. We have been praying to the Almighty to send us to a feast. We have knelt on our knees morning and nighttime. The Lord has answered the prayer. He has called the barbecue. "Come to my feast," He said to 125 million American people. But Morgan and Rockefeller and Mellon and Baruch have walked up and took 85 percent of the victuals off the table!

Now, how are you going to feed the balance of the people? What's Morgan and Baruch and Rockefeller and Mellon going to do with all that grub? They can't eat it, they can't wear the clothes, they can't live in the houses.

Giv'em a yacht! Giv'em a Palace! Send 'em to Reno and give them a new wife when they want it, if that's what they want. But when they've got everything on God's loving earth that they can eat and they can wear and they can live in, and all that their children can live in and wear and eat, and all of their children's children can use, then we've got to call Mr. Morgan and Mr. Mellon an Mr. Rockefeller back and say, come back here, put that stuff back on this table here that you took away from here that you don't need. Leave something else for the American people to consume.



Huey Long

That is correct . And that applies also to NET profits of a small business.

Obama tells you in each debate. If you make under $250k/yr, you are a fool for voting Republican. Hell, anyone voting for this Republican ticket is a fool regardless of who you are, or what you make.

It's funny listening to McFalin say that the top 5% are the ones creating the jobs. Sure they are creating jobs... for India and China.

No. Nothing at all wrong with them making a profit. Also yes the 12% was fairly low, then again it wasn't our fault he hit the city main with his backhoe and had to pay for it. I refused to let them pass the cost of that onto me. I also make damn sure that any contractor, sub, or such working on my property agrees to itemized invoices supplied at the end of any job. No problem paying whatever hourly rate or whatever was agreed on though.

Ok, I didn't know that. To be honest I haven't watched any debates and don't really follow politics so that's why I am asking... So then I wonder why this person I know who makes under 250k keeps saying he is going to vote McCain because he doesn't want his taxes raised? This guy is not stupid btw, he's really into politics... Are you sure there is not something I am missing? Like maybe Obama will raise taxes REALLY SLIGHTLY for people who make under 250k? Or perhaps he will raise taxes for people's overall assets if they are over 250k, like if they own a 500k home, paid for in full? This guy owns his own home, so perhaps that's what he's referring to???

Is this friend a white Christian man?

People like you are fucking stupid... The probability that you will ever be ultra rich is miniscule... so what you're basically saying is that you would rather keep your money level where it is now as opposed to having it increase 5%, 10%, 15% for doing nothing more than you're doing now due to "spreading the wealth around"... You can't spend your "dreams".... morons...

If you want to "set someone straight" about a topic, it should really be something you actually know at least the very basics about.

Going to a message board to get the inside scoop so you can avoid doing any research of your own on your path to telling someone else what's what with what just makes you a stunned cunt. :2 cents:

Funny to see you knock socialism. Your party just gave a couple trillion dollars to banks, financial institutions, and insurance companies. Talk about socialism.

Do you suggest we lower the taxes for the rich like we did 7 years ago? I mean, that has worked out well for our economy, right?

He's not christian, he's an atheist. He's not white either.

I don't feel like doing my own research right now. I use Gfy as my cliffs notes for political issues.

Wow, you certainly must sound ignorant on that topic then.

I'll do my own research later... I just want to know what some gfy folks have to say and then I will use that to start reading up on it...

Just show him youtube videos of Sarah Falin speaking in church about how she wants to help carry out "god's plan". That should change his mind.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QG1vPYbRB7k

it's always hysterical to see people who are at best middle class wave pompoms for the Republicans - pathetic dreamers, the Kiwanis and Rotary clubs are filled with idiots who identify with those 100 times more wealthy than they are, delusional. They are obsessed and worried about financial matters that will never in their entire lives affect them because they are destined/doomed to a life a mediocrity and it has nothing to do with tax rates or financial policies in Washington, it is that they are very average people and very average people don't make $250,000 incomes - the Democrats are the party for you if you are average. I totally understand why somebody with successful businesses hate Democrats financial plans - it's the 95% of Republican voters who would do better for their mediocre/average selves and their mediocre/average families under the Democrats that are pitiful.

Do you know this guy in real life?

i hate u.