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pocketkangaroo 10-21-2008 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14934091)
As I said, net neutrality is bad. Just because a few people want to select a few good things about it and focus on that, doesn't make it good overall and will not get my support. I don't care what the "idea" behind it is, the fact is it's being used as a non-neutral tool by both sides.

That's fine. There are a lot of anti-regulation people out there. I respect that opinion completely. In some cases, I'm against regulation too. For my business though, I feel safer not having to pray that the telcos will allow me to reach their customers. We just differ on what we feel net neutrality will accomplish. Your opinion is in the minority of website operators though on this issue.

What I was confused on is your earlier response:
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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14934091)
So, if a Christian ISP said they didn't like porn, they could block it and you would be fucked.

It also means the chance that different qualities of service, could regulate who you could talk/chat or contact online. So if I have a higher end personal package and someone has a regulated package, we may not be able to communicate without the lower end person paying a fee.

That is the exact argument net neutrality advocates have been making. Nonetheless, we'll see how this plays out over the years.

TheDoc 10-21-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14934116)
That's fine. There are a lot of anti-regulation people out there. I respect that opinion completely. In some cases, I'm against regulation too. For my business though, I feel safer not having to pray that the telcos will allow me to reach their customers. We just differ on what we feel net neutrality will accomplish. Your opinion is in the minority of website operators though on this issue.

What I was confused on is your earlier response:


That is the exact argument net neutrality advocates have been making. Nonetheless, we'll see how this plays out over the years.

It's not confusing... Right now an ISP couldn't just come out and block porn, they can't do it now, and they couldn't do it afterwards.

The difference is, if you open an ISP and say it's for Christians now, you will get into trouble if you regulate. Under the possible laws, as long as you spell out your services and what you limit, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Understand that - it's no different than what we have no, zero difference.. other than regulations get put in place. Free market is controlling it now and it's working just fine. Your business is in ZERO danger, other than the story you made up in your head.

What the telcos can't do is regulate the pipes to the people. So some regulation at some point, might be needed. But they can and already do regulate them to Companies, and you have way more than 2 selections. We are talking backbones, your entire city has more than 2 coming in. Otherwise, it's personal - and again, nothing needs to be regulated at this time.


So going for net neutrality, means you are okay with the Gov telling Companies what they can and can't do, when those Companies haven't done anything wrong. It means giving the power to the FCC to regulate the people, which is totally stupid. Just because one or two "try" new things - isn't doing anything wrong.

pocketkangaroo 10-21-2008 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14934137)
It's not confusing... Right now an ISP couldn't just come out and block porn, they can't do it now, and they couldn't do it afterwards.

The difference is, if you open an ISP and say it's for Christians now, you will get into trouble if you regulate. Under the possible laws, as long as you spell out your services and what you limit, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Understand that - it's no different than what we have no, zero difference.. other than regulations get put in place. Free market is controlling it now and it's working just fine. Your business is in ZERO danger, other than the story you made up in your head.

What the telcos can't do is regulate the pipes to the people. So some regulation at some point, might be needed. But they can and already do regulate them to Companies, and you have way more than 2 selections. We are talking backbones, your entire city has more than 2 coming in. Otherwise, it's personal - and again, nothing needs to be regulated at this time.


So going for net neutrality, means you are okay with the Gov telling Companies what they can and can't do, when those Companies haven't done anything wrong. It means giving the power to the FCC to regulate the people, which is totally stupid. Just because one or two "try" new things - isn't doing anything wrong.

Like I said, it's not just me who is worried. Besides the slew of top web properties named, we have adult companies like Hustler and Playboy who are adamant about net neutrality. I respect your opinion, but I feel safer siding with those web companies over Comcast.

And I don't have more than 2 selections. I have AT&T for DSL and Comcast for cable. For our office, Comcast is the only option available.

Our country is woefully behind in broadband rankings. We can sit back and continue to let Europe and Asia kick the shit out of us in the broadband world. I personally believe that it would benefit our business greatly if we could catch up to other countries.

Twoface31 10-22-2008 06:47 AM

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TheDoc 10-22-2008 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14934197)
Like I said, it's not just me who is worried. Besides the slew of top web properties named, we have adult companies like Hustler and Playboy who are adamant about net neutrality. I respect your opinion, but I feel safer siding with those web companies over Comcast.

And I don't have more than 2 selections. I have AT&T for DSL and Comcast for cable. For our office, Comcast is the only option available.

Our country is woefully behind in broadband rankings. We can sit back and continue to let Europe and Asia kick the shit out of us in the broadband world. I personally believe that it would benefit our business greatly if we could catch up to other countries.



These guys back an idea, not what has actually happened with it. If you told these same "so highly informed" people that laws were being shot down that killed neutrality, I bet most would swing. I'm not a sheep, I just don't latch onto some idea because a few people think it's cool.

They are caught up the words, the shinny lights, swinging around them making them go la la la, all day long.

These guys want to add in regulations to protect the net, make me and you safe. The net already grows, but these monster companies don't feel it's fair.. wtf..? Yeah, they would never have an agenda.. ever... pfft. They have same agenda as the phone companies, just a different bs reason.

I'm sorry, any regs, any "filtering" - by someone saying this is good/bad, safe, doesn't discriminate, ect.. even more so when they don't say by who (I guess the FCC?) I don't want that, that isn't being neutral.

Passing the law, would legally allow an ISP to filter anything, charge high or low for it, as long as they make it clear. Right now, they can't...

I don't care if our net "might" get 10x or 100x faster, the Companies are going to charge for it either way. They were already given BILLIONS to upgrade the U.S. 'net and they spent it on hookers and blow.... well they didn't upgrade the 'net either way :)


Welp, I'm off to start work for the day...

MrAwesome 10-22-2008 07:39 AM

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