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xxxjay 10-24-2008 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 14948990)
josh/jaysin is fat kid from a town of 4,000 that works at at fast food restaurant literally who has been banned from most boards for being a goof - this guy is old news - he's just jealous that he has to bankroll a baby who isn't even his - and mad that you make $$$ and fuck hot bitches - j if you want to do some link scnizzle leave yer email ....

LOL...that's what I figured. What is your email?

Big_D 10-24-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 14949018)
me big d and jane d are going to do some afterhours ....

860 656 5814


werdddddddddddddddddd

american pervert 10-24-2008 10:58 PM

xxxjay is wn4l


where the fuck are my puke pix, still didn't get them

xxxjay 10-24-2008 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 14948992)
Bounce Rate
Avg. Time on Site


Finally get you ?

Less Time On Wirerguy's site / More Time On Sponsor = More Money For WG! :)

You sig is hilarious BTW.

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949025)
860 656 5814


werdddddddddddddddddd

You gotta love Big_D...great guy / terrible drunk! :)

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949042)
You gotta love Big_D...great guy / terrible drunk! :)

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, im sober....................

datatank 10-24-2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949035)
Less Time On Wirerguy's site / More Time On Sponsor = More Money For WG! :)

You sig is hilarious BTW.

You missed my point
Why do you think tubes are ranking so high?



Seo lander pages are dead. The things I posted just might be factor in G new algo

As weird guy he prolly can tell you

brand0n 10-24-2008 11:06 PM

porn isnt free?

JaneB 10-24-2008 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949013)
im better than that when i see your vajayjay in this thread

How about a picture of Kristina and I? I am looking over the set.

http://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/...2288da716c.jpg

Agent 488 10-24-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949024)
LOL...that's what I figured. What is your email?


hit me up at [email protected] - your site is google authority site gold - we'll do some trades up ....

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 14949055)
You missed my point
Why do you think tubes are ranking so high?



Seo lander pages are dead. The things I posted just might be factor in G new algo

As weird guy he prolly can tell you

Yeah, I think you kinda missed mine, but yeah...I'm sure google is trying to factor content, user base, and time on site all into the algo.

Buying a ton of backlinks to your illegal tube site doesn't hurt either. At least until they catch you.

WiredGuy 10-24-2008 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949014)
Yeah, you know how the SEO game goes...up one month, down the next! The thing that sucks with these tubes is the bought all their backlinks. There is no SEO value of haveing embedded videos in <object> tags that I am aware of.

I always wondered about those embed and object tags. I used to think they had no value, but these days it just might. While the engines can't read what the tags are, they can certainly see its taking a lot of space on a page and might consider it as a backlink since it has value to the webmaster to put it on a page. You never know with these things until you experiment with it.
WG

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949078)
How about a picture of Kristina and I? I am looking over the set.

http://modelmayhm-3.vo.llnwd.net/d1/...2288da716c.jpg

bitch i fucked hotter hoes in romania than your vajayjay could touch, do the world a fucking favor and smile in half of your pics, god mothafukkin damn pizda

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949092)
bitch i fucked hotter hoes in romania than your vajayjay could touch, do the world a fucking favor and smile in half of your pics, god mothafukkin damn pizda

sorry a hot woman insinuated that that pic was hotter, so i had to be an asshole, we all talk shit, just dont take mine seriously unless it involves fucking up retard josh's chin to the point of utter coryeagation (SMILE)

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:24 PM

she was the super hot model that corrected me saying you were cute, sorry for the bad words sweetieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

JaneB 10-24-2008 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949092)
bitch i fucked hotter hoes in romania than your vajayjay could touch, do the world a fucking favor and smile in half of your pics, god mothafukkin damn pizda


Haha what the hell are you drinking? You crack me up.

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 14949088)
I always wondered about those embed and object tags. I used to think they had no value, but these days it just might. While the engines can't read what the tags are, they can certainly see its taking a lot of space on a page and might consider it as a backlink since it has value to the webmaster to put it on a page. You never know with these things until you experiment with it.
WG

From all that I've seen from looking at Google stats is google knows what is in the <object> (as far as type of media) and not much else.

I could be totally wrong.

Ramos 10-24-2008 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by american pervert (Post 14949034)
xxxjay is wn4l

Jay is The Jesus Tree of wn's. :thumbsup

representing Connecticut to the fullest

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949106)
Haha what the hell are you drinking? You crack me up.

LOL...like I said: Big D is a good guy but a bad drunk.

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramos (Post 14949112)
Jay is The Jesus Tree of wn's. :thumbsup

representing Connecticut to the fullest

Connecticut G...in the hizzle!

JaneB 10-24-2008 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949117)
LOL...like I said: Big D is a good guy but a bad drunk.


It is cool. I have been drunk many times before and said and did things that I normally would not do. It makes life interesting.

Agent 488 10-24-2008 11:31 PM

you have to think all the big tubes had a honeymoon where they were linked up from high pr mainstream authority sites for awhile -

Agent 488 10-24-2008 11:32 PM

i would kick big d in his big ass canadian style.

WiredGuy 10-24-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949110)
From all that I've seen from looking at Google stats is google knows what is in the <object> (as far as type of media) and not much else.

I could be totally wrong.

Google supposedly can read and archive flash, although i doubt tube sites are really embedding keywords and exploiting what google can read though. I could be totally wrong though.
WG

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 14949132)
you have to think all the big tubes had a honeymoon where they were linked up from high pr mainstream authority sites for awhile -

AKA: Bought links.

Semi-Retired-Dave 10-24-2008 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949140)
AKA: Bought links.

What are you doing home on a Friday Night. :1orglaugh

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes (Post 14949132)
you have to think all the big tubes had a honeymoon where they were linked up from high pr mainstream authority sites for awhile -

:warning

UCONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN SPRING BREAK...........


if you don't know it definitely time to learn about google........

TheDoc 10-24-2008 11:36 PM

I gave you the time to read yours...


1) Funny that they complained about a programs warning page, a nats one at that.
I'm surprised you don't have more cross access links for your other sites.


2) 100 sales a day at 5% = 5 a day x 30 a month = 150 or 1825 people a year. per 100 sales, "that did not know about it"...
Now it's great you refund them or have kick ass support. But when you burn someone or when you get burnt, it only takes once and you don't return.

Have you ever tracked your "return signups" that are previous cancels? Just think, in-house, no payout, signups - worth 5x webmasters and what? 10x (prob 20) an Xsale?
I'm still trying to figure out why all these sites shooting any exclusive content have an xsale to anything other than something they own.

Your business, as you said in #1 - maybe you shouldn't copy what the other failing morons are doing.



3) This confused me just a little, so here goes. It's your business, you can choose to run it into the ground or you can lift it above the trash and set an example.
What processor is doing this? If it's Epoch or CCbill, ICQ me and I will get it to stop processing illegal sites.

DRM protect your content. It can still be downloaded, used, no problems.. seamless. Educate yourself, it works and can send sales back.



4) I'm not going to bash you, just state the truth. Greed... You wanted to be bigger, you didn't like your numbers, so you changed. I know, it almost happened to me.
My PPS was private, programs and larger webmasters only. That allowed me to pay in a range :)


You don't have to pay $35 to get webmasters to use you. And you don't have to have xsales to pay $35 per signup.



The tube argument is an excuse, and it's bullshit. Piracy has been around far before tubes, and the real piracy ring, is still larger than tubes.

Tubes provide something surfers didn't have before, saying you need to adapt isn't about dealing with tube piracy. It's about learning....


Have you not noticed these programs pushing hard xsales, lots of upsells, really don't offer one-on-one member love, most have crap support.
These are the programs trying everything right now before they finally shit out.

If you do hidden xsales, all the review sites with comments, have visitors that have slammed you - this happens on forums too. You people are killing your own business, not tubes or piracy.



It's your business as you said.. it's your choice if you want to stay on the same path as these other fools and lead your company to its death.

Big_D 10-24-2008 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949131)
It is cool. I have been drunk many times before and said and did things that I normally would not do. It makes life interesting.

and your paysite...............

TheDoc 10-24-2008 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949140)
AKA: Bought links.

Not 18,000+ worth, as with redtube.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=...oz2&e i=UTF-8


It's the popularity algo of Google that gives them the rankings they have. Basically, you have to build a bigger, better, more liked site/product to beat them out.

budz 10-24-2008 11:53 PM

xxxjay is teh man..

yeah, I don't know him.. rofl

xxxjay 10-24-2008 11:54 PM

Doc,

First, I actually read your blog a good bit and like it. You are a smart dood.

Here are my responses:

1. LOL...we link all of them.

2. Yeah, we do know how many times someone comes back. We've had guys sign up, quit, and come back because we actually DO UPDATE with new exclusive content twice daily, so they come back to see what's new. It's very ethnic / niche, so they come back in bigger number than do brobably your standard program.

3. I am pro-DRM but we all know it doesn't work and pisses off most surfers as much as anything alse. I really wish DRM worked better.

4. You are re-hashing everything I said at the end of my first post. The way the industry is set up is born-to-fail. I alone, nor you can change that.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
First, I actually read your blog a good bit and like it. You are a smart dood.

Thanks, it comes and goes... and thanks for reading the blog.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
1. LOL...we link all of them.

Oh I didn't see those... The important ones should be above the fold :) I never saw them, I just went to see what nudity it was thinking it was some gang bang or something, and saw the big enter button..

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
2. Yeah, we do know how many times someone comes back. We've had guys sign up, quit, and come back because we actually DO UPDATE with new exclusive content twice daily, so they come back to see what's new. It's very ethnic / niche, so they come back in bigger number than do brobably your standard program.

Less or no xsales, better support, better member attention (not always updates), will increase your return rate. The money increase, can be worth more than your xsales.

Check your site(s) across the review sites, look at the comments. It's a great way to see if you are pissing people off or not. I haven't checked your sites, but I do this to check sites before I push them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
3. I am pro-DRM but we all know it doesn't work and pisses off most surfers as much as anything alse. I really wish DRM worked better.

It works amazing now.. You can't even tell the vod sites have drm, it's seamless. You can also let them download. If they share it, you can make it have a promo.

DRM is far better than it was, much much better. And with the intro of flash and it's protection, it's getting even better.

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949197)
4. You are re-hashing everything I said at the end of my first post. The way the industry is set up is bron-to-fail. I alone, nor you can change that.


I don't feel the industry is setup to fail. Lots of people are doing fine. They don't complain about tubes or piracy, they just see the numbers go up. Every industry has tons of illegal shit going on, no industry is clean, period.

The overall industry was going down in sales and global traffic 2 years, and for sure 1 year, before the first illegal tube came around. If you want to blame something or someone, blame 2257 - it's what statistically killed our industry.

I don't think having an xsale kills your business, but I do think playing around with shady xsales can for sure hurt you. I do think having 2 pre-checked xsales does remove a big part of your returns. Once a person is tricked - it's over.

It has to make you think, why isn't everyone falling?

xxxjay 10-25-2008 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949228)
It has to make you think, why isn't everyone falling?

Dating and Cams are flourishing at the expense of content owners. Who knows, maybe filmed porn (as we know it) is just on the way out.

I don't think you wlll find anyone in the paysite game that will tell you they are doing as good now as they were a years ago.

Some might, but they are probably lying.

I'm going to take another look at DRM. It's been a minute.

Do you have a solution you prefer?

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:26 AM

Not just dating and cams are doing good, even though they are kicking ass in the global theft ring.

And I don't think we will find anyone that has been around for anytime, say it's "better" today. You will find people that have had the biggest months this year, largest year so far, and biggest sales and rebills days.

Just because our Eco is crashing around us, doesn't mean tubes and morons are putting us out of business.

A business or Industry, doesn't have to always be growing or expanding. Which overall our industry isn't doing either of right now, but it doesn't have to. As long as it doesn't stop, which it won't.

Like this big stock market drop, is a good thing. Our Industry about to fold up and die, people selling out, people leaving out really fast.. It's going to suck for a bit - but it's a good thing.

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

xxxjay 10-25-2008 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949267)

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949288)
We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

My webmaster theory :)

The loss of Webmasters after 2257, is what we are seeing today. Back then we easily had 20,000 more Webmasters (I'm being very nice by saying 20k)... In short, this would create major global porn traffic. From email spam, forums, social sites, chat rooms, exits, every place on the 'net.. The more Webmasters we have, the of everything they are doing, the more traffic we all have to play with.

1000 webmasters will get more traffic than 100, but the 100 may be smarter.
100,000 would create so much traffic from so many different locations, our industry would rocket back to where it was.

My "hope" is the Dems win, back off porn. Eco goes to turn around, Internet gets kicking really good again because people have money. Since millions need jobs, well - maybe we will get our base of traffic back :)

If we just had 5,000 more Webmasters hitting the social networks, across a huge mixture of programs.. man we would have some serious global traffic gains.

TheDoc 10-25-2008 01:00 AM

g-nite - head hit the keyboard

grumpy 10-25-2008 01:52 AM

I won the bet.
Your back posting within 7 days :)

V_RocKs 10-25-2008 01:57 AM

Pornhub takes in $400,000 every two weeks...

Look at your own bandwidth model and tell me if they are going to implode.

V_RocKs 10-25-2008 02:03 AM

BTW, that was a serious question.

stickyfingerz 10-25-2008 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by WiredGuy (Post 14949088)
I always wondered about those embed and object tags. I used to think they had no value, but these days it just might. While the engines can't read what the tags are, they can certainly see its taking a lot of space on a page and might consider it as a backlink since it has value to the webmaster to put it on a page. You never know with these things until you experiment with it.
WG

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949110)
From all that I've seen from looking at Google stats is google knows what is in the <object> (as far as type of media) and not much else.

I could be totally wrong.

Keep talking... Most I've got out of WG yet hehe. Dixie says Hi Charles btw. :)

munki 10-25-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 14949288)
We don't need more webmasters, we need more smart ethical webmasters.

I'll ask about the DRM...see how far they've come.

troof...

last thing needed right now is more fucktwats watering down an already unstable yet extremely juvenile industry.

stickyfingerz 10-25-2008 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14949267)
Not just dating and cams are doing good, even though they are kicking ass in the global theft ring.

And I don't think we will find anyone that has been around for anytime, say it's "better" today. You will find people that have had the biggest months this year, largest year so far, and biggest sales and rebills days.

Just because our Eco is crashing around us, doesn't mean tubes and morons are putting us out of business.

A business or Industry, doesn't have to always be growing or expanding. Which overall our industry isn't doing either of right now, but it doesn't have to. As long as it doesn't stop, which it won't.

Like this big stock market drop, is a good thing. Our Industry about to fold up and die, people selling out, people leaving out really fast.. It's going to suck for a bit - but it's a good thing.

Even though, we need more Webmasters, in a bad way - to re-spark global porn traffic at massive levels.


Start with cave creek, vs. trying to do DRM in-house. It's a tad expensive to get going out of your own pocket. Now that flash solution (can't remember name) I don't think it is as much. However, you are still hosting one large flash file, so still going to cost ya.

Switch to a streaming only model. People need to take a look at the online video rental places in the mainstream. Im personally running all our HD sites streaming only via encrypted streams h264 .mp4's via flash media 3 servers. No buffer instant playback anywhere in the video. On top of that I have a way I can limit screencap recording of our vids. Running those vids off Cavecreek CDN. Can't be happier.

thebossxxx 10-25-2008 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RageCash-Ben (Post 14949017)
95% of the people giving you shit wish they could be you

agreed! :thumbsup

martinsc 10-25-2008 02:49 AM

too late for a spot sig?

ContentSHOOTER 10-25-2008 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big_D (Post 14949092)
bitch i fucked hotter hoes in romania than your vajayjay could touch, do the world a fucking favor and smile in half of your pics, god mothafukkin damn pizda

Tell us how you really feel:1orglaugh, personally she dose does nothing for me:2 cents:

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949530)
Tell us how you really feel:1orglaugh, personally she dose does nothing for me:2 cents:


First off he already apologized for his comments. I could care less if I do nothing for you. The brunette you posted pictures of does thing for me at all. She is not even cute. Hell I am not even a photographer and I can shoot better pictures than you. For shooting content for 10 years you should be half as good as Dean Capture. :2 cents::2 cents:

ContentSHOOTER 10-25-2008 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JaneB (Post 14949540)
First off already apologized for his comments. ould care less if I do nothing for you. The brunette you posted pictures of does thing for me at all. She is not even cute. Hell Hooters has been looking women that that chick. :2 cents::2 cents:

YOUR STILL THE ULTIMATE SLUT:1orglaugh

JaneB 10-25-2008 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ContentSHOOTER (Post 14949545)
YOUR STILL THE ULTIMATE SLUT:1orglaugh

You still can't shoot content worth shit. Being called a slut is no biggie when you work in adult. Trying to pass your shit off as content is funny as hell. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh


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